What are you basing this on? We know NOTHING about upcoming Vega lineup, apart from few minor things.
Seriously, what are you basing this opinion on?
What are you basing this on? We know NOTHING about upcoming Vega lineup, apart from few minor things.small Vega A.K.A. the 490 should compete with the 1080. I think big vega is the new fury.
It's not fun AT ALL to not have a GPU for days let alone weeks which is what will happen with your plans. I used to pull stunts like these but now I have realized selling things before you get hold of the replacement just isn't worth it. Giving as much of my disposable time to gaming as possible is extremely important for me in this part of life.@ ocre, great post! Saved me a lot of time of writing it myself!
Once again, we have the same people complaining about prices on the "high end" or enthusiast level. Last time I checked, NVidia isn't forcing anyone to buy their GPUs. You have something called a CHOICE. If you think you're getting ripped off, then don't buy it.. Or buy low end or mid range GPUs if you can't afford the high end.. Myself and plenty others on the other hand, will happily spend the money to appease our need for the latest and greatest hardware
If anyone is to blame in all of this, it's AMD, for being constantly late on their hardware cycles and always coming up short on not only overall performance, but performance per watt vs NVidia's offerings..
*Hint* You don't have to be rich to enjoy the latest and greatest. You just have to be willing to dump your old hardware via Craigslist or eBay at the most opportune moment, and use the money to buy the new card. I've been doing this for years, and I usually end up spending on average $200-250 on a new high end GPU.. If the GTX 1080 Ti launches in January (which I doubt), I will dump my GTX 1080 and sell it for about $550, then use it to buy a GTX 1080 ti..
There's been times where I've upgraded two, or even three times in a single year. But PC gaming is one of my favorite hobbies so I don't mind spending the money. Much like some guys spend thousands of dollars on their cars, gun collection or their music or movie library..
Every man needs a hobby or a passion in life to keep him grounded..
It's not fun AT ALL to not have a GPU for days let alone weeks which is what will happen with your plans. I used to pull stunts like these but now I have realized selling things before you get hold of the replacement just isn't worth it.
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So that means you did spend quite an extraordinary amount buying a 980 Ti and then 1080 so there goes the plan. Ya sure you will get a lot of it back but not everyone has that sort of cash flow. I also wonder why all that hassle for such a minimal upgrade but that's your choice of course.Just have a backup card handy. In fact, that's what I did this last cycle. Instead of selling my GTX 980 Ti Amp Extreme, I decided to keep it and use it as a backup card. So when I do inevitably sell my 1080 Amp Extreme, I will have a powerful card to fall back on..
But you don't need a robust gaming card as a backup. Some guys just use the iGPU on their CPU, or some low end card they have laying around that they used for PhysX and no longer need..
So that means you did spend quite an extraordinary amount buying a 980 Ti and then 1080 so there goes the plan. Ya sure you will get a lot of it back but not everyone has that sort of cash flow. I also wonder why all that hassle for such a minimal upgrade but that's your choice of course.
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I bet you are one of those guys that upgraded from GTX680 to 780 then 780Ti then 980 then 980TI and 1080 and 1080TI.Nv must be happy with you.
I bet you are one of those guys that upgraded from GTX680 to 780 then 780Ti then 980 then 980TI and 1080 and 1080TI.Nv must be happy with you.
So what if he did? No shame in doing that.
I bet you are one of those guys that upgraded from GTX680 to 780 then 780Ti then 980 then 980TI and 1080 and 1080TI.Nv must be happy with you.
Why do you care how he upgrades? Get the F over yourself.
Actually, it was more 9800 GTX > GTX 285 > ATI HD 4870 XFire > GTX 470 SLI > GTX 480 SLI > GTX 580 SLI > GTX 770 4GB SLI > GTX 970 SLI > GTX 980 SLI > GTX 980 Ti > GTX 1080
Moral of the story is, no more SLI!
That is a lot of money...
I bet you are one of those guys that upgraded from GTX680 to 780 then 780Ti then 980 then 980TI and 1080 and 1080TI.Nv must be happy with you.
I bet he didn't upgrade to a card he hated, it takes a real special kind to do that!
What i don't get is why having a difference of opinion is a bad thing... say aloud that "some of the cards are expensive" and you have people pouncing on you. I get it, people have been complaining, & otoh, some people have been buying, but isn't this how a market supposed to work? Why force compliance with a standard acceptable pov?
At any rate, is there any new rumour/ bit of news?
AMD coming with Fury X didn't stop from Nvidia having a Titan at $1100 or 980ti $100+ more than Fury X, wasn't it? As someone said, Nvidia's pricing is like the Apple model. People pay whatever Nvidia asks, and as a consumer, complaining is fair imho. Whether or not it is to your liking is a different issue, but milking is what it is. Oracle squeezed people at one point in time, Apple does all the time, now it's Nvidia. They're indeed counting on repeat business from locked in customers, that is indeed seeming to be their business model. again, one's free to do what they think is best. i wouldn't begrudge you for buying whatever you can afford. then again, i wouldn't begrudge other people voicing their opinion on pricing, double dipping with x04 & x00 chips.It's not just a difference of opinion however. Read some of the comments in this thread and you'll see that there are those who think people like myself, Arachnotronic etcetera are fools that are being milked by NVidia just because we buy a lot of hardware. And this is on a freaking hardware enthusiast forum no less!
But who is the fool I wonder? Those that buy expensive hardware because they want it, and can afford it. Or those that complain about the price of said hardware on a regular basis? To me it's more the latter.. It's ridiculous to complain about the price of high end hardware, because they are luxury items. It's literally like complaining about the price of a BMW M3 or M5. These products aren't for the masses, but for a specific type of consumer..
The price of these GPUs is driven by consumer demand, and as long as consumers are willing to pay the price for them, they will not diminish. The only thing that will stop NVidia from increasing their prices on the high end is if AMD actually starts to compete with them on the high end, rather than getting curbstomped every single cycle..
There was a WCCFtech rumor a day or two ago that claimed the GTX 1080 Ti would launch in January, and have 10.8 TFlops.. Not sure I believe it though.
AMD coming with Fury X didn't stop from Nvidia having a Titan at $1100 or 980ti $100+ more than Fury X, wasn't it?.
If nvidia releases a card called the 1080 TI, then Vega will be utter crap.
What's my logic in that, you say? If Vega is truly competitive, the best response for Nvidia (either just before or after Vega launches) would be to refresh the entire pascal lineup with "new" cards at different prices INSTEAD of just price cuts. Of course new product launches have upfront costs, but new products with better prices and slightly higher performance is ALWAYS a better sell and attention grabber than price cuts on old existing products.
So with all that said, if Nvidia were to release a 1080 TI in January to slot in along side their would-be 8 month old lineup, Nvidia will have come to the conclusion that refreshing the lineup to take on upcoming AMD cards is not worth it, which in my book would be a big omen tacked onto all the existing warning signs for Vega.
I still believe this 1080 TI will be called the GeForce GTX 1180, and Nvidia will eventually release a full functional GP102 consumer/prosumer card as the GTX 1180 TI or Titan X (the third).
I think the reason Nvidia might not refresh Pascal is because Volta is pretty much guaranteed to release in HPC Tesla in 2017 and for Geforce by early 2018. Nvidia is going to have 2 generations at 16FF+ within 3 years. TSMC 7nm is guaranteed for iPhones in 2018 and for GPU/CPUs and other high performance products in 2018. I expect Nvidia 7nm GPUs (post Volta generation) by mid-2019. Volta looks to be a grounds up new architecture after G80 and Fermi. Frankly a Pascal refresh looks unnecessary as Volta promises a significant jump in efficiency. Anyway my prediction is Nvidia will launch 1080 Ti (GP102 based). Once yields are good they will eventually launch a full GP102 (maybe name it a 1080 Ti Ultra or whatever).