[TPU/VR-Zone] Leaked AMD FX-9590 Benchmark Results. No Longer For Sale?

[ViRGE]

Picking up from where the last thread left off:

http://www.techpowerup.com/186765/a...rks-surface-great-performance-at-a-price.html

http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-depot/2884721-the-amd-fx-9590-fx-centurion-preview.html

Troublemakers will be dismissed from this thread
-ViRGE

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Product is listed on TigerDirect $829.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=8324286

 

[ViRGE]

Wow, in stock?! I thought this was OEM-only?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I thought so too, even has OEM 1 year warranty.

I haven't placed an order though so I can't be sure it's legit or not :|

TD isn't one of "those" sites though, so it's hard to get an ideal of the legitimacy since it contradicts things thought known.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Will the Anandtech site be running benchmarks/ a review on this reborn "QuadFather"?

 

[ViRGE]

I thought so too, even has OEM 1 year warranty.

I haven't placed an order though so I can't be sure it's legit or not :|

TD isn't one of "those" sites though, so it's hard to get an ideal of the legitimacy since it contradicts things thought known.

TD is something of a mess, but they're a legitimate retailer. If they list 9590s for sale I believe them as far as having some kind of allocation to sell. Though based on their history I don't necessarily believe they have it in stock.

Edit: A quick search on the part number has CDW saying they can get it in 9-11 days. This is getting confusing; even if they are OEM chips, the implication was that they were only being sold directly to OEMs and not via the grey market

 

[wlee15]

It's apparently shipping as well.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...FX-9000-8770&p=5197799&viewfull=1#post5197799

 

[eternalone]

Why not just sell it for $300 bones.

 

[Vesku]

TD is something of a mess, but they're a legitimate retailer. If they list 9590s for sale I believe them as far as having some kind of allocation to sell. Though based on their history I don't necessarily believe they have it in stock.

Edit: A quick search on the part number has CDW saying they can get it in 9-11 days. This is getting confusing; even if they are OEM chips, the implication was that they were only being sold directly to OEMs and not via the grey market

Perhaps not enough orders from pre-overclocked boutique dealers. I certainly don't think the demand will be very high if they are asking anywhere near $800 from actual OEMs.

 

[moonbogg]

I tried running x264 FHD and it just hangs. Nothing I try is working. Anyone here actually run the test themselves?

 

[Gikaseixas]

There are guys who will get one no doubt even at that price. I could consider it @ $320 tops.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I lol at anybody who actually pays this exorbitant price for a pre-overclocked Piledozer...

 

[Dkcode]

How does this stack up next to Intels parts?

The pictures in the second link don't work.

 

[ShintaiDK]

4.7Ghz baseclock instead of 4.8Ghz as first posted?

 

[Idontcare]

Perhaps not enough orders from pre-overclocked boutique dealers. I certainly don't think the demand will be very high if they are asking anywhere near $800 from actual OEMs.

That is a definite possibility. Another is that AMD is finding more 5GHz chips on the wafers than they initially thought they were going to find.

Although I would think if it were an excess-supply type situation then the price would reflect that. This has a different feel to it though, more along the lines of what you are suggesting.

That AMD was thinking the OEMs would jump on the chance to sell an FX-9590 rig but the orders never came through so now they are hoping the DIY channel will absorb them.

I lol at anybody who actually pays this exorbitant price for a pre-overclocked Piledozer...

Price/performance is definitely not there in comparison to the FX-8320 or the FX-8350.

But it isn't like you aren't getting anything for the extra money...you are getting a chip that has been tested and validated as correctly functioning across the entire ISA at 5GHz and you get a one year warranty along with it.

Take your 8320, or your 8350, and OC it to 5GHz (or 4.5GHz more realistically) and sure you've spent $700 less but you also have no assurances that the computer is doing the calculations correctly for the instructions that are not used in linx or prime95, and you no longer have a warranty should things go sideways on you.

In my view this 5GHz chip is quite ballsy of AMD, a good kind of ballsy.

It is also kind of amazing how we had all those early rumors and whispers of something like this coming from AMD but nobody (well mostly nobody anyways) really thought AMD would actually do it (so we pretty much assumed the rumors were false). Somebody knew this was coming and did their best to let the public know too, I hope that person keeps doing that :thumbsup:

 

[Abwx]

According to a reliable guy at HFR this CPU has 16% lower
TDP at 5ghz/1.552V than an usual 5ghz capable 8350 that would
be overclocked with theses settings.
So much for thoses who pretend that it s an ocked 8350.....

 

[ShintaiDK]

According to a reliable guy at HFR this CPU has 16% lower
TDP at 5ghz/1.552V than an usual 5ghz capable 8350 that would
be overclocked with theses settings.
So much for thoses who pretend that it s an ocked 8350.....

But its not a 5Ghz CPU. Its a 4.7Ghz with a 5Ghz turbo.

And I find it worrying that its marketed and sold as 5Ghz. Its misleading at best, fraud as worst.

 

[grimpr]

Its clearly a better binned chip despite all the fud and mud from the professional Intel trolls around here. I believe that this move is a marketing move from AMD putting the FX brand where it once was at least in the mind of the consumer crowd.

Thread crapping will not be tolerated
-ViRGE

 

[Idontcare]

According to a reliable guy at HFR this CPU has 16% lower
TDP at 5ghz/1.552V than an usual 5ghz capable 8350 that would
be overclocked with theses settings.
So much for thoses who pretend that it s an ocked 8350.....

I don't quite understand what you are trying to get at here.

This guy, and I'll take your word for it, is comparing one chip to another and observing a difference in power consumption.

How is that news? How is that proof of anything related to your last sentence?

Power consumption is leakage dependent as well as dynamic power dependent.

Dynamic power will be identical for an 8350 OC'ed to 5GHz and an FX-9590 clocked to 5GHz (provided they are operating at the same voltage and temperature). There are not layout differences, no xtor topology differences, no mask set differences, between the FX-8350 and FX-9590.

However the static leakage may very well be quite different between the two specific processors this guy tested, as it is different for any two processor period.

Leakage at the device level is all about mask alignment at the various litho steps during the creation of the different layers of the IC. Some wafers get better alignment (simply a random occurrence) and as such the chips on those wafers will have markedly superior insulation between conductors (wires, vias, contacts, and gates).

Those chips, be they binned as 8320's or 9590's, are going to have the same dynamic power consumption but far better (lower) static leakage in comparison to chips from other wafers in which the alignment was less than optimal (but still within spec and thus were not reworked at litho).

All that the cited results tell us is that AMD is binning the 5GHz chips for having better electrical properties versus those of the FX-8350's...and who isn't expecting that to be the case? Of course AMD is going to bin out the better silicon for the higher clocked SKU, that is what binning exists to accomplish.

 

[Zucker2k]

TD is something of a mess, but they're a legitimate retailer. If they list 9590s for sale I believe them as far as having some kind of allocation to sell. Though based on their history I don't necessarily believe they have it in stock.

Edit: A quick search on the part number has CDW saying they can get it in 9-11 days. This is getting confusing; even if they are OEM chips, the implication was that they were only being sold directly to OEMs and not via the grey market

I think "OEM" here might simply mean unboxed (without a stock cooler), especially since one would need a custom water setup to keep the chip tolerably cooled.

Also, these are binned chips from the current 8xxx stock, only of the highly leaky silicon reminiscent of the TWKR of yesteryear. This would probably mean a tad better temps, but also a tad higher volts to achieve the same overclock. Nothing special here, we've seen it before.

 

[Ben90]

In my view this 5GHz chip is quite ballsy of AMD, a good kind of ballsy.

The decision was no doubt influenced by marketing the first 5Ghz chip, but I really appreciate them at least trying to push a 220W TDP chip. It won't influence anything from Intel this generation, but if they can continue to refine the process and architecture while keeping stupid high TDPs, they might be able to break back into the high end market.

This is the first time I've really felt positive feelings for what AMD was bringing for us enthusiasts since Agena turned out to be terrible. The is no circumventing the fact that this chip is still pretty bad, but I like where this is heading and give them the thumbs up.

 

[jaqie]

Remember how AMD got started in the cpu business (started meaning making their own cpus instead of just fabbing for intel et al)... intel didnt give them the rights for the 486 so they struck out and designed the then (and still now) legendary 386-40 cpu. It was a staple of the computer industry for years.

That takes guts, and the same kind of guts they are showing with this move. I agree with Idontcare here quite strongly. This was very much the right move in the big cpu chess game for AMD. Let's hope they keep making the right moves.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Remember how AMD got started in the cpu business (started meaning making their own cpus instead of just fabbing for intel et al)... intel didnt give them the rights for the 486 so they struck out and designed the then (and still now) legendary 386-40 cpu. It was a staple of the computer industry for years.

That takes guts, and the same kind of guts they are showing with this move. I agree with Idontcare here quite strongly. This was very much the right move in the big cpu chess game for AMD. Let's hope they keep making the right moves.

Guts? Try desperation. If they can sell enough of these, it could be very good for their profitability, but I suspect that this is a very limited run.

 

[jaqie]

Guts? Try desperation.

Is there a difference?
I personally do not believe so.

 

[Idontcare]

Guts? Try desperation. If they can sell enough of these, it could be very good for their profitability, but I suspect that this is a very limited run.

Desperation is what motivates you to resort to using your guts.

Desperation is what motivated Intel to cobble together an MCM'ed dual-core (emergency edition anyone?), and to continue that tradition when they MCM'ed together a couple of dual-core Conroe chips to field the first x86 quad-core chips.

And they were power hogs, those B3 stepping QX6700's were electricity beasts, especially so when you OC'ed.

It wasn't until Intel refined the stepping and rolled out chips that benefited from a more matured 65m process that we got the now legendary G0 stepping Q6600.

One could just as easily argue that Intel should not have released those B3-stepping based kentsfield quads in light of the fact that they could have waited to release the much much better G0 steppings.

But they were desperate to put some distance between themselves and AMD, so they did whatever it took and that involved a little intestinal fortitude.

These initial FX-9590's may be juice hogs, and they may cost a small fortune (my QX6700 cost me $1500 in Nov 2006, a year later I bought G0 Q6600's for a mere $266) but give it time and lets see where AMD goes with this. It may simply be a stepping stone, an interim product, to something more in line with mainstream enthusiast expectations (for both power and price).