Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You want numbers?
Going from a vehicle that gets 15mpg to one that gets 30mpg would save you $2000 a year if you're driving 15,000 miles a year. You may scoff at $2000 but to many people, that's a fair chunk of change. If you go to a car that gets 40mpg the difference grows to $2500 a year savings.
Another thing you fail to point out is that wage increases aren't keeping pace with inflation and the price of necessities like food have been going up steadily for the past couple years so this puts people who were just getting by into serious financial trouble. Text
BTW-I am calm. I think you could probably use a stress pill though.
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: sao123
not for me... I drive my SUV till it falls apart... 200k Miles 12 years... when I trade it in, theres nothing left.
Believe me, I get my full value that i paid for.
Did you get full value out of that $41,176 worth of gas you spent over that $200K
(200,000 miles/ 17 mpg) * $3.50 = $41,176
If you had a 30mpg car...lets see what that would cost you...
(200,000 miles / 30 mpg) * $3.50 = $23,333
Obviously I'm guessing the fuel economy of your SUV...but I know few people who rarely get more than that on their regular runs (except for that magic trip they took when they got 25mpg on some fill up). I'm also guessing that prices average $3.50 over the course of your 200K miles. Lets assume prices are going to go up as much as they say...and lets give an average of $4.50
(200,000 miles/ 17 mpg) * $4.50 = $52,941
If you had a 30 mpg car...
(200,000 miles / 30 mpg) * $3.50 = $30,000
wow...a potential of saving nearly $23k over those 200k miles. Could you imagine if you were paying $8+ a gallon here in the UK....
A 30 mpg car is more than attainable with reasonable utility and capability.
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: sao123
not for me... I drive my SUV till it falls apart... 200k Miles 12 years... when I trade it in, theres nothing left.
Believe me, I get my full value that i paid for.
Did you get full value out of that $41,176 worth of gas you spent over that $200K
(200,000 miles/ 17 mpg) * $3.50 = $41,176
If you had a 30mpg car...lets see what that would cost you...
(200,000 miles / 30 mpg) * $3.50 = $23,333
Obviously I'm guessing the fuel economy of your SUV...but I know few people who rarely get more than that on their regular runs (except for that magic trip they took when they got 25mpg on some fill up). I'm also guessing that prices average $3.50 over the course of your 200K miles. Lets assume prices are going to go up as much as they say...and lets give an average of $4.50
(200,000 miles/ 17 mpg) * $4.50 = $52,941
If you had a 30 mpg car...
(200,000 miles / 30 mpg) * $3.50 = $30,000
wow...a potential of saving nearly $23k over those 200k miles. Could you imagine if you were paying $8+ a gallon here in the UK....
A 30 mpg car is more than attainable with reasonable utility and capability.
First of all, you cant even compare with good gas prices?
a SUV on $4.50 a gallon vs a compact car on $3.50 a gallon, give me a break.
and secondly your wrong anyways... If i drove your 30mpg compact car, I'd need either to pay 3 other drivers, buy 2 more vehicles and maintain a fleet... or make 3 times as many trips.
soo...
200,000 miles / 17mpg * 3.50 a gallon = $41,176
or
600,000 miles / 30mpg * 3.50 a gallon = $70,000
Afterall, I do haul a full load nearly everywhere i drive. Not passengers mind you, but tools, & cargo. Believe me... im not some soccor mom who nedlessly drives an SUV... I use every square inch of it.
And I do get much better than 17mpg, I get closer to 21, as most of my driving is freeway.
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: mugs
I would say that if you recently bought an SUV... you're pretty.
Fixed it for you.
I live west of DFW and that's the mentality here. When I bought my car, my redneck coworkers laughed because I didn't buy a huge duallie like theirs.Originally posted by: judasmachine
doubt it's dead, but i always get a little kick out of hearing them preparing it's coffin. but i've lived in TX where you are nobody unless you drive something big enough to play baseball in.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
you don't seem to realize just how much everything is interconnected.Know what? Both sides need to just leave me and everyone else the fsck alone and mind their own business.
Okay, then I never want to see you bash/oppose/ridicule another fundie for trying to control your sex life, or your freedom of speech/expression, or your ability to view objectionable materials.
They have the SAME DAMN JUSTIFICATION you just gave.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
you don't seem to realize just how much everything is interconnected.Know what? Both sides need to just leave me and everyone else the fsck alone and mind their own business.
Okay, then I never want to see you bash/oppose/ridicule another fundie for trying to control your sex life, or your freedom of speech/expression, or your ability to view objectionable materials.
They have the SAME DAMN JUSTIFICATION you just gave.
who said i ever wanted to bash/oppose/ridicule a fundie?
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
This is all irrelevant anyway. High prices due to increased demand = declining sales of inefficient vehicles. What else do you want/expect, and what does that have to do with freedom?
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
the oil companies pay royalties to drill for oil/gas on federal lands. we're not 'giving' public owned resources to the oil companies, they are paying for them. which also happens to be the reason why lumping royalties in with taxes and claiming the government makes more money than the oil companies is intellectually dishonest.
and amused would point out that he's against subsidies anyway.
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
We're not giving them public owned resources for free, but for pretty cheap. If we didn't let them drill, supply of oil would be lower and presumably prices would be higher, so we've been subsidizing low prices for a long time. I know he's against subsidies, which is why I brought htem up.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
This is all irrelevant anyway. High prices due to increased demand = declining sales of inefficient vehicles. What else do you want/expect, and what does that have to do with freedom?
Good GAWD you missed the point completely. You are blinded by your own hypocrisy.
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
This is all irrelevant anyway. High prices due to increased demand = declining sales of inefficient vehicles. What else do you want/expect, and what does that have to do with freedom?
Good GAWD you missed the point completely. You are blinded by your own hypocrisy.
Arguing with you isn't worthwhile when all you do is fall back on "you don't understand". Your argument boils down to "mind your own business and don't tell me what to do", and you follow that with one non sequiter after another. Why don't you go ahead and explain what exactly you mean? I've never seen anyone so upset over people judging one another. Is your dream for everyone to join hands and sing cumbaya while having gay sex in a Ford Excursion with seats made of fetus skin?
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: amdskip
Good, its about time people start doing what I think they should do.
Fixed
Oh! The irony!
No irony. There is a constant theme in my posts and it's amazing to me that you've completely missed it.
Actually, it's kind of hard to miss your consistent smugness or your constant support for the overdog, let alone your primitive and inexcusably naieve "rugged individualism" stance.
Like I said, you missed it completely.
Funny how people want freedom and special rights for themselves, but if someone has something they think they don't, or is doing something they don't agree with they want to rob that person of their freedom.
When I have advocated taking away the rights and/or freedoms of ANYONE, rich or poor?
And individualism is naive and primitive? Wow... It's the very basis for the founding of this country.
I'm glad you think it's enlightened to want to be a mindless drone. But I'd rather be me and free, thank you.
Non sequiter. Someone points out that people will be more logical in their purchases, and you turn it into a freedom issue. Isn't everyone still free to make bad choices?
Why don't you stop crying about people judging you, your friends, or whomever? We get the point- you value freedom, but you hate when somebody's use of his freedom is critized.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
This is all irrelevant anyway. High prices due to increased demand = declining sales of inefficient vehicles. What else do you want/expect, and what does that have to do with freedom?
Good GAWD you missed the point completely. You are blinded by your own hypocrisy.
Arguing with you isn't worthwhile when all you do is fall back on "you don't understand". Your argument boils down to "mind your own business and don't tell me what to do", and you follow that with one non sequiter after another. Why don't you go ahead and explain what exactly you mean? I've never seen anyone so upset over people judging one another. Is your dream for everyone to join hands and sing cumbaya while having gay sex in a Ford Excursion with seats made of fetus skin?
Again, you cannot see past your own hypocrisy. You are just as fascist as the right wingers, only you have your own justification for moralizing and wishing to control the actions of others.
You poo-poo at their justifications while using the same damn justifications for your own busybody moralizing.
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Amused, you know oil companies get government subsidies, right? And you know they drill federal land, right? Any strawman argument about "freedom" and "controlling other people" is moot, when we all give tax money and public owned resources to the oil industry to indirect subsidize your fuel use-- even with today's high prices you aren't paying the real cost.
This is all irrelevant anyway. High prices due to increased demand = declining sales of inefficient vehicles. What else do you want/expect, and what does that have to do with freedom?
Good GAWD you missed the point completely. You are blinded by your own hypocrisy.
Arguing with you isn't worthwhile when all you do is fall back on "you don't understand". Your argument boils down to "mind your own business and don't tell me what to do", and you follow that with one non sequiter after another. Why don't you go ahead and explain what exactly you mean? I've never seen anyone so upset over people judging one another. Is your dream for everyone to join hands and sing cumbaya while having gay sex in a Ford Excursion with seats made of fetus skin?
Again, you cannot see past your own hypocrisy. You are just as fascist as the right wingers, only you have your own justification for moralizing and wishing to control the actions of others.
You poo-poo at their justifications while using the same damn justifications for your own busybody moralizing.
Where did you read that I want to control the actions of others? There's a difference between wanting people to act properly, and wanting to control them.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: amdskip
Good, its about time people start doing what I think they should do.
Fixed
Oh! The irony!
No irony. There is a constant theme in my posts and it's amazing to me that you've completely missed it.
Actually, it's kind of hard to miss your consistent smugness or your constant support for the overdog, let alone your primitive and inexcusably naieve "rugged individualism" stance.
Like I said, you missed it completely.
Funny how people want freedom and special rights for themselves, but if someone has something they think they don't, or is doing something they don't agree with they want to rob that person of their freedom.
When I have advocated taking away the rights and/or freedoms of ANYONE, rich or poor?
And individualism is naive and primitive? Wow... It's the very basis for the founding of this country.
I'm glad you think it's enlightened to want to be a mindless drone. But I'd rather be me and free, thank you.
Non sequiter. Someone points out that people will be more logical in their purchases, and you turn it into a freedom issue. Isn't everyone still free to make bad choices?
Why don't you stop crying about people judging you, your friends, or whomever? We get the point- you value freedom, but you hate when somebody's use of his freedom is critized.
Why is it illogical for me to buy an SUV or truck? I can afford to put gas in it.
He hates, and I hate when you use your "freedom" to try to undermine mine.
People like you say, I should drive SUV's because you can't afford to, thus I shouldn't be allowed to either. You are also the people that say that I shouldn't have guns because you think they are scary, therefore no one should have them so you aren't scared.
Don't tell us how to live our life and what to buy and we'll stop calling you communists.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: amdskip
Good, its about time people start doing what I think they should do.
Fixed
Oh! The irony!
No irony. There is a constant theme in my posts and it's amazing to me that you've completely missed it.
Actually, it's kind of hard to miss your consistent smugness or your constant support for the overdog, let alone your primitive and inexcusably naieve "rugged individualism" stance.
Like I said, you missed it completely.
Funny how people want freedom and special rights for themselves, but if someone has something they think they don't, or is doing something they don't agree with they want to rob that person of their freedom.
When I have advocated taking away the rights and/or freedoms of ANYONE, rich or poor?
And individualism is naive and primitive? Wow... It's the very basis for the founding of this country.
I'm glad you think it's enlightened to want to be a mindless drone. But I'd rather be me and free, thank you.
Non sequiter. Someone points out that people will be more logical in their purchases, and you turn it into a freedom issue. Isn't everyone still free to make bad choices?
Why don't you stop crying about people judging you, your friends, or whomever? We get the point- you value freedom, but you hate when somebody's use of his freedom is critized.
Why is it illogical for me to buy an SUV or truck? I can afford to put gas in it.
He hates, and I hate when you use your "freedom" to try to undermine mine.
People like you say, I should drive SUV's because you can't afford to, thus I shouldn't be allowed to either. You are also the people that say that I shouldn't have guns because you think they are scary, therefore no one should have them so you aren't scared.
Don't tell us how to live our life and what to buy and we'll stop calling you communists.
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: KB
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Crucial
Sounds like a great time to buy one.
Agreed. I'm sick of these $100 delivery charges for a 4 mile drive to deliver landscaping stuff or furniture.
Yeah, spending an extra $200/month in gas is a far better choice.
I bet iamwiz is thinking the same thing as I am - buying it, not to commute with, but to move stuff every once in a while. So to drive 4 miles a month would be 2.00 dollars not 200.
Plus the burden of an asset depreciating at break-neck speed.