Transgender boy barred from catholic school

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I'm not sure where I stand on this. Was the boy given any prompting from his parents to behave like a girl ? Seems like a really early age to be deciding that you are a girl in a boys body. I can partially understand the schools side of things , it would be really confusing for the other students to try to understand.

I agree. Normal 8-year-olds just don't have a sufficient understanding of gender/sexuality to make a decision like this. And the fact that the parents are so supportive of it would lead me to believe that they prompted theses feelings within the child.

i disagree. my daughter (almost 7) knows/understands gender things she does not care about it though.

she knows boys don't wear dresses, makeup or wear hair ties etc.

I agree with waggy. My daughters understand the difference between boys and girls.

But at that age do they understand the bigger picture ? Or do they just see things like wearing dresses and makeup. Not what it will mean for them when they are grown ?

It's almost a like primal thing, their brain chemistry is actually different. Did you read the paragraph in the article about issues that adult transgenders have had?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


It's almost a like primal thing, their brain chemistry is actually different. Did you read the paragraph in the article about issues that adult transgenders have had?

Yes I did , but the thing I don't get is how can a child, who has no idea what even adult means, understand that the decision they make now can effect their entire life.


Until there is a medical test to determine it, I think decisions like this should be made at a later age. Do you realize how much hell this child is in for in the public school system ?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: geno
Why not bar him/her from the school? It's the Christian thing to do

Love thy neighbor, as long as they think and act the way you want them to?

Since when has the Catholic Church ever been about tolerance, forgiveness, and love?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


It's almost a like primal thing, their brain chemistry is actually different. Did you read the paragraph in the article about issues that adult transgenders have had?

Yes I did , but the thing I don't get is how can a child, who has no idea what even adult means, understand that the decision they make now can effect their entire life.


Until there is a medical test to determine it, I think decisions like this should be made at a later age. Do you realize how much hell this child is in for in the public school system ?

Yes, I do, and I said as much in my initial comment.
Do you realize how much hell this child is in for having to live a life unnatural to it?
You may not understand it, but it's not something that just "goes away"--this IS their life.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


It's almost a like primal thing, their brain chemistry is actually different. Did you read the paragraph in the article about issues that adult transgenders have had?

Yes I did , but the thing I don't get is how can a child, who has no idea what even adult means, understand that the decision they make now can effect their entire life.


Until there is a medical test to determine it, I think decisions like this should be made at a later age. Do you realize how much hell this child is in for in the public school system ?

Yes, I do, and I said as much in my initial comment.
Do you realize how much hell this child is in for having to live a life unnatural to it?
You may not understand it, but it's not something that just "goes away"--this IS their life.

I know a number of MTF transgenders (trannies) and they didn't become aware of this until their early teens.

not saying it couldn't happen earlier, just saying these people didn't feel "different" until just before puberty.

 

[Zenmervolt]

The family wanted the child to use a new female name, be able to wear a girl?s uniform and be included in girls' activities.

There's your reason right there. Do you have any idea of the sort of sh*tstorm that the school would be involved in if they let a boy into the girls' gym classes, bathrooms, etc?

ZV

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

The family wanted the child to use a new female name, be able to wear a girl?s uniform and be included in girls' activities.

There's your reason right there. Do you have any idea of the sort of sh*tstorm that the school would be involved in if they let a boy into the girls' gym classes, bathrooms, etc?

ZV

Which begs the question, how will the public school system handle this ?
Refuse the kid and I bet discrimination laws come into play.

 

[udonoogen]

this kid is going to get really picked on or beat up in any school. i think the catholic school had his best interest in mind.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

The family wanted the child to use a new female name, be able to wear a girl?s uniform and be included in girls' activities.

There's your reason right there. Do you have any idea of the sort of sh*tstorm that the school would be involved in if they let a boy into the girls' gym classes, bathrooms, etc?

ZV

how much of a boy is he if he thinks like a girl, acts like a girl, and gets hormone treatments that make him look like a girl?

i know the school has to cover its ass, though.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

The family wanted the child to use a new female name, be able to wear a girl?s uniform and be included in girls' activities.

There's your reason right there. Do you have any idea of the sort of sh*tstorm that the school would be involved in if they let a boy into the girls' gym classes, bathrooms, etc?

ZV

how much of a boy is he if he thinks like a girl, acts like a girl, and gets hormone treatments that make him look like a girl?

i know the school has to cover its ass, though.

He's 8. There aren't going to be hormone treatments for several years yet. Despite that, most parents aren't going to want a boy using the girls' facilities, even if he's not technically a threat.

Until unisex restrooms and changing facilities are common, these sorts of prohibitions are inevitable for transgendered persons.

ZV

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I think there's an awful lot of people posting in this thread that don't really understand transgender folks.
But I feel the school is well within their rights, too. Even if they did allow it, I don't think it would turn out that well for the student...

I have to agree. Nothing I've seen or read about transgendered folks leads me to question whether or not a person who says they're in the wrong gender body is telling the truth or not. If they feel like they should be the opposite gender, then I see no reason to not allow it. And these things aren't hard to figure out, even for young children.

Of course in the same way, a private school is within its rights to not allow students for whatever shitty reason they can come up with. I don't necessarily agree with their reasoning, but I can respect that they have the right to do so.

 

[gar3555]

oh come on, is no one going to mention the real reason this kid is doing this.

He knows that if he's a girl, the priests won't touch him.

/to hell

 

[Phokus]

The mother is on a mission to educate the community and encourage churches to open a dialog about diversity and acceptance of all people.

Yeah good luck with that, heh

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: gar3555
oh come on, is no one going to mention the real reason this kid is doing this.

He knows that if he's a girl, the priests won't touch him.

/to hell

:laugh:

 

[nublikescake]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: princess ida
Wow, the lengths some kids go to get out of Catholic school!

:laugh:

:laugh:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

I don't buy it.

Being gay is one thing, fine, you like sausages, I prefer tacos; that decision is made well after puberty [for gays]. A hormonal or mental imbalance that kicks in to make a boy think they're a girl or vice versa wouldn't become apparent until puberty, when the switch flips and all those hormones start coming on. Soon psychologists are going to start saying the Oedipal complex is not a phase, but real feelings that a 5 year old is experiencing, and will allow little boys and little girls to kill their parent of the same gender to bone the other.

This is ATOT, all 400 of you in here that watched "My Little Pony," or some other "girly" show religiously as children, raise your hands, did that make you a girl trapped in a boy's body?

 

[shortylickens]

I think all this tranny stuff popping up in young kids is going to make junior high life even more confusing and embarrasing.

"Yeah, I like you to. Lets go out sometime. SUPRISE! I have a penis!"
:Q

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: waggy
well. I can understand why a Catholic school wouldnt want the child. also i wonder if a 8 yr old really knows what they want?

This.

Also, I certainly wouldn't allow an 8 year old to undergo any surgery to alter their bodies either. Even with their parents permission.

 

[Appledrop]

this is just stupid.. disregarding the stuff about the school...
i found the story ridiculous, actually calling the boy a girl?
What.. when he gets to puberty and realises he's attracted to girls - he is now a lesbian girl, right?

give me a break.. kids just had an upbringing that has allowed and fostered feminine ways, that is my take on it.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Kalmah
So, god makes people what they are..(right?? do I have this wrong?).. and the church is denying the child their religion... The church is denying god's will?

They will all go to hell!!

seriously though.. wtf

yap. as i have said many times. religion is great but the church sucks.

i have found the biggest problem with religion (besides nutcases) is the church itself...but thats another thread.

who else is there?

Oh, right, indoctrinated "normal" people.

 

[DrPizza]

One night, she said, 'Every night when I go to bed, I pray my inside will match my outside. But it never happens,'" the mother said, recalling the words of her middle child.
"Now I can wear nail polish, get rid of all my boy clothes and not worry about that name," the child said.

Doesn't sound like any 8 year olds I know of.

 

[thecrecarc]

Impossible, the parents are bullshitting this entire thing. I have nothing against transgender, however it is impossible for an eight year old to make an informed and thought out decision. The quotes the parents claim the child said sounds false and unlike an eight year old.

I feel sad for the kid.

 

[0roo0roo]

an eight year old isn't going to act like a girl for kicks.

best to start early, the longer you wait, the worse it gets when it comes to successfully transitioning/passing.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Homosexuality is looked down upon in the Catholic Church. They don't HAVE to accept you.

If you neighbor as a kid didnt want you in his club, you weren't in his club. Deal with it.



The little fruit and his parents are probably faking it anyways.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: JM Aggie08
Homosexuality is looked down upon in the Catholic Church. They don't HAVE to accept you.

If you neighbor as a kid didnt want you in his club, you weren't in his club. Deal with it.



The little fruit and his parents are probably faking it anyways.

Being transgendered isn't being homosexual. I've heard of men transitioning to women, then getting into a lesbian relationship!?!?

I have a hard time wrapping my head around that, but I accept it for what it is. The school can do as it pleases, but I think the parents are taking the right course by treating the child like he wants to be treated.