Transgender boy wins Texas state girls wrestling title

[fskimospy]

And that is exactly why if anyone is taking any performance enhancing drug doctor prescribed or not, transgender or not, they should be barred from competitive sports, because like you said

"Because everyone needs to be able to use public restrooms and not everyone needs to play sports."

Well then your beef is with basically every sports organization on the planet. Enjoy!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Guys thinking they're gals and visa versa is just over the top. The real question here is what would Archie Bunker have to say about it?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Federal.

How did you reach your conclusions on how best to solve?

• Sports -> local
• Bathrooms -> federal
• Locker rooms /showers -> federal, and what's odd this one ties in more with sports than anything really

 

[fskimospy]

How did you reach your conclusions on how best to solve?

• Sports -> local
• Bathrooms -> federal
• Locker rooms /showers -> federal, and what's odd this one ties in more with sports than anything really

Locker rooms and bathrooms are largely similar in my eyes.

 

[Double Trouble]

How did you reach your conclusions on how best to solve?

• Sports -> local
• Bathrooms -> federal
• Locker rooms /showers -> federal, and what's odd this one ties in more with sports than anything really

There is no logic, he's all over the place on this one. Federal government to decide on something very local and specific like locker rooms and bathrooms, but local rules to cover sports and activities that could be local, regional or even national. Doesn't make sense.

 

[vi edit]

There is no logic, he's all over the place on this one. Federal government to decide on something very local and specific like locker rooms and bathrooms, but local rules to cover sports and activities that could be local, regional or even national. Doesn't make sense.

If I had to put a blunt rule on things, athletes should have to compete with their birth given gender and should be using their "current" anatomical gender for bathrooms and showers.

If athletes are found in violation of their birth gender then they forfeit any awarded titles. I don't really care if it's a state or federal rule.

 

[kitkat22]

Just some food for thought. Gender dysphoria and transgendered are a diagnosis that will stay. For the majority of the population there is no doubt - they are male or they are female. That's easy, but there are very well documented cases of several variations of this. It is not black and white and any medical textbook will show you this. The question comes down to what determines gender can you tell me? Is it penis vs vagina? well what about complete androgen insensitivity, how about congenital adrenal hyperplasia. How about mutations of the SRY gene? Here are some others - 17a hydroxylase mutation, 5a reductase deficiency, gonadal dysgenesis, LH receptor deficts, SF-1 mutation or MAH mutation. In extreme cases these individuals are XY and have a fully developed vagina. They are called female at birth - what about them. How about situations of XXY or XO. What about ambiguous genitalia at birth? This is not a quick and easy as just saying male and female at birth. OK, so what about karyotype or XY vs XX. Well, that isn't as straight forward either. As I noted above there is Klinefelter's syndrome, Turner syndrome and there event people with XXYY. What about those people - male or female? a lot of these people have no clue they have these conditions until puberty.

For the majority of people it is easy - male or female, but you cannot blanket this with every person in the world. So if phenotype and karyotype may have their limitations - What about how they feel? Well there is very good studies in well-respected journals that there are individuals who truly and honestly believe they are of the other gender. Where do they fall? They may have any of the above or none of the above findings at birth, but if you delve deeper they have a reason for feeling that way. There are twin studies that demonstrate there is a genetic component to this. Other countries in the world identify a third gender and respect these individuals as such.

Whether you like it or not this exists and there are a lot of people who benefit from therapies for gender dysphoria and it is very well documented that not only does treatment works, but they have better outcomes. This is why it is becoming standard practice. Gender dysphoria is a real thing just like depression, anxiety, PTSD are all real things and require recognition and treatment. People with depression just don't "get over it." They need help and medications are necessary at times to help correct that. PTSD is a real thing. GD is a real diagnosis.

Do not blast away saying this is not real just because you don't understand it. the medical world is still working on it, but the more evidence the medical world picks up the more and more we are finding there is legitimacy to this and not the other way around.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I have no doubt for a very small amount of people they do have a condition that calls it into question. I also have no doubt that it's something in vogue right now also, and just because Jimmy likes to play with barbies doesn't mean it's ok to put him in dresses and pump him full of estrogen. For such a life altering decision its best to wait until the kid is fully mature enough to know the risk and accept the very permanent consequences themselves, and a kid in high school or below just isn't there yet.

 

[compuwiz1]

Gender Ideology Harms Children

More education.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Gender Ideology Harms Children

More education.

That's not a reputable pediatric organization, it's a conservative political advocacy org more than anything. Look at their stance on abortion for instance:

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/for-policy-makers/sanctity-of-life

Sanctity of Life

The College affirms that human life begins at conception (fertilization) and ends with natural death. The following resources, including official statements, media articles, web links and personal stories, serve to reinforce the College position. It is the hope of the College that society will place the highest value on human life at all stages.

 

[compuwiz1]

That's not a reputable pediatric organization, it's a conservative political advocacy org more than anything. Look at their stance on abortion for instance:

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/for-policy-makers/sanctity-of-life

Sanctity of Life

The College affirms that human life begins at conception (fertilization) and ends with natural death. The following resources, including official statements, media articles, web links and personal stories, serve to reinforce the College position. It is the hope of the College that society will place the highest value on human life at all stages.

The American college of pediatricians not a reputable pediatric organization because of their views on when human life begins? Many people (properly) hold that view, including myself. Do you believe that giving children hormones to help them achieve their gender identity is not risky to the child? This is something liberals are trying to make a thing out of, to create another protected victim class, as they seek votes. More feelings stuff to play on in elections. It's bullshit, man. Raise the child according to what his / her chromosome gender says they are and I'd bet most of them would eventually identify as their true gender, once they grow up. An 8 year old boy who thinks he's a girl, is not mature enough to know that yet and any parent who influences that, chemically and ideologically, is committing child abuse, IMO.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The American college of pediatricians not a reputable pediatric organization because of their views on when human life begins? Many people (properly) hold that view, including myself. Do you believe that giving children hormones to help them achieve their gender identity is not risky to the child? This is something liberals are trying to make a thing out of, to create another protected victim class, as they seek votes. More feelings stuff to play on in elections. It's bullshit, man. Raise the child according to what his / her chromosome gender says they are and I'd bet most of them would eventually identify as their true gender, once they grow up. An 8 year old boy who thinks he's a girl, is not mature enough to know that yet and any parent who influences that, chemically and ideologically, is committing child abuse, IMO.

I agree with the second part of this, it is risky to a child and anyone from high school on down isn't mentally mature enough to make such a life altering decision. And I do think parents that push this on their kids are committing child abuse.

That particular organization though is simply a political advocacy group though, I used the right to life example simply as a means to show that.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Hey when I was growing up I used to like playing with dolls (GI Joe's) and riding around on mini bikes driven by sexy girls in shorty shorts. I never one time considered wanting to become one though.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hey when I was growing up I used to like playing with dolls (GI Joe's) and riding around on mini bikes driven by sexy girls in shorty shorts. I never one time considered wanting to become one though.

Hey, I used to play with a neighborhood girl who taught me how to knit. lol

 

[senseamp]

The American college of pediatricians not a reputable pediatric organization...

Good point.

 

[bshole]

If I had to put a blunt rule on things, athletes should have to compete with their birth given gender and should be using their "current" anatomical gender for bathrooms and showers.

If athletes are found in violation of their birth gender then they forfeit any awarded titles. I don't really care if it's a state or federal rule.

In this instance, the competitor was born as a girl and wrestled girls. The issue was that she was taking testosterone to compete. This caused a certain amount of resentment from some of the other female wrestlers. Some of them refused to wrestle and at least one filed a lawsuit. If you say this should be illegal as well you have completely removed any chance for her to compete in any other category.

 

[UglyCasanova]

In this instance, the competitor was born as a girl and wrestled girls. The issue was that she was taking testosterone to compete. This caused a certain amount of resentment from some of the other female wrestlers. Some of them refused to wrestle and at least one filed a lawsuit. If you say this should be illegal as well you have completely removed any chance for her to compete in any other category.

Maybe she doesn't compete then. She's done things to her body to make her ineligible.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

In this instance, the competitor was born as a girl and wrestled girls. The issue was that she was taking testosterone to compete. This caused a certain amount of resentment from some of the other female wrestlers. Some of them refused to wrestle and at least one filed a lawsuit. If you say this should be illegal as well you have completely removed any chance for her to compete in any other category.

Wrong. She had the opportunity to compete as a girl without juicing. That's how almost every sport on Earth works. You can take whatever drugs you want, you just cannot compete under the influence of certain drugs if they provide a performance benefit. Period. The end. She/He FREELY chose to take those drugs then he or she should not be allowed to compete until the sex change is complete and she can compete as a male against males. Nobody removed her right to compete, she voluntarily gave it up when she voluntarily took drugs that are against the rules of the competition.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm sure the good people of Texas will figure out a rule change in the offseason.

I don't know, man. Texas is still about 170 years behind on the whole evolution thing. I don't think they are going to so swiftly move on a drastic rule change vis-a-vis transgender sporting participation.

 

[mizzou]

testosterone supplementing to solve juveniles with identity crisis? what could go wrong.

im all for gender fluidity, but juicing kids with estrogen, testosterone, and life alterimg surgery seems bizarre

 

[desura]

I don't know, man. Texas is still about 170 years behind on the whole evolution thing. I don't think they are going to so swiftly move on a drastic rule change vis-a-vis transgender sporting participation.

That's the point. The whole "it's the current year" stuff is like astroturf trying to create this sense of inevitability.

 

[pcgeek11]

The only fair thing to do in this situation is to disqualify him / her from competition.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The only fair thing to do in this situation is to disqualify him / her from competition.

No, the fair thing would be to allow him to compete with the other hims (which is what he wants to do) and not force him to compete with the hers (which is what he does not want to do).

 

[pcgeek11]

No, the fair thing would be to allow him to compete with the other hims (which is what he wants to do) and not force him to compete with the hers (which is what he does not want to do).

I disagree because she is not a him.
It also isn't fair for the many others on the female team as she is juiced.

 

[Zorba]

I disagree because she is not a him.
It also isn't fair for the many others on the female team as she is juiced.

Name any sport where a female has an advantage over a male. I don't have any issue with any female attempting to make it in the male league, assuming they follow all the same rules. I also don't see any issue with any trans being in the male league, as long as they aren't going above and beyond normal testosterone levels. But any male, and either direction trans is a major unfair advantage in female leagues.