No need to be an asshole about this. He isn't "juiced". He is using legally prescribed medications/drugs.
Let him compete with the other hims which is what he wants. Problem solved.
I disagree because she is not a him.
It also isn't fair for the many others on the female team as she is juiced.
The reason it's okay for him to get hormones and not them is that presumably these hormones were prescribed by a doctor in the course of medical treatment. Athletes use steroids all the time, they just have to be prescribed. That's the whole therapeutic use exception.
Again if people don't like the outcome that's fine, but your problem should be with Texas for passing a stupid law to make it this way.
No need to be an asshole about this. He isn't "juiced". He is using legally prescribed medications/drugs.
Let him compete with the other hims which is what he wants. Problem solved.
No need to be an asshole about this. He isn't "juiced". He is using legally prescribed medications/drugs.
Let him compete with the other hims which is what he wants. Problem solved.
No, the fair thing would be to allow him to compete with the other hims (which is what he wants to do) and not force him to compete with the hers (which is what he does not want to do).
Nobody is being an asshole. Just stating the facts. She is being selfish and taking advantage
Well you are able to believe as you want. She is using legally prescribed drugs that make her ineligible for competition. I believe she is juiced and should be disqualified from competition all around.
Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.
Nobody is forcing him/her to compete against the girls, they're just not allowing him/her to compete against boys. BIG difference. If he/she REALLY didn't want to compete against girls he/she wouldn't compete against girls. It's that simple. He/she could find one tiny shred of integrity in himself/herself and say "I shouldn't be doing this, the testosterone gives me an unfair advantage" and then just not enter the competition.
Shouldn't competitive sports be mostly about sex not gender?
I can see how fashion shows, or things that exemplify social aspects of a person's character, like an acting award, is probably best suited to follow gender identity, but in sports or things of physical nature it is probably best to keep it as sex.
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for gender transition:
1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.
Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.
• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may participate on a men’s or women’s team.
• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.
So basically you're saying that this person has a choice of either rejecting their gender identity or no longer competing in a sport they have spent years preparing for, all because officials in Texas passed a stupid rule.
I've got a better idea, get rid of the stupid rule. Problem solved.
You were the one who said that although people need to go to the bathroom they don't need to play sports. If they don't need to play sports what's the fuss?
So basically you're saying that this person has a choice of either rejecting their gender identity or no longer competing in a sport they have spent years preparing for, all because officials in Texas passed a stupid rule.
I've got a better idea, get rid of the stupid rule. Problem solved.
Why not just use the NCAA's guidelines which seem perfectly sane and reasonable, both protecting a student's right to compete as well as mitigating the competitive disadvantage that may come from hormone therapy?
https://www.transathlete.com/policies-college
Several of those goes against the Obama policy though, for instance a MTF student not being allowed to play on a female team. Trump undid this, which i'm assuming you agree with him on, but prior to this Obama's stance was that a MTF had to be able to play on a female team no questions asked.
You were the one who said that although people need to go to the bathroom they don't need to play sports. If they don't need to play sports what's the fuss?
So basically you're saying that this person has a choice of either rejecting their gender identity or no longer competing in a sport they have spent years preparing for, all because officials in Texas passed a stupid rule.
I've got a better idea, get rid of the stupid rule. Problem solved.
You really are the stupidest person on the internet.
The person is not forced to do either. The person can:
Compete as a girl honestly, use testosterone later.
or
Complete gender transition and then compete as a male honestly.
He/she/it can compete and he/she/it can take the gender altering drugs, he/she/it just can't do both simultaneously. Seriously, do you need me to draw you map before you can understand that? Nobody is forcing him/her to do anything. He/she is voluntarily taking drugs and he/she is voluntarily wrestling girls against whom the drugs give him/her an unfair advantage. Period.
Why not just use the NCAA's guidelines which seem perfectly sane and reasonable, both protecting a student's right to compete as well as mitigating the competitive disadvantage that may come from hormone therapy?
https://www.transathlete.com/policies-college
We already covered this. I prefer Trump's policy of eligibility being the decision of local officials but overall Trump's position on trans rights is absolutely abominable, which I assume you agree with me on.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mack-beggs-transgender-boy-wins-texas-state-wrestling-title/
Seems to me that if people are going to get all up in arms over testosterone giving him an advantage then they should just let him compete with the boys like he wants.
I don't agree with you his position on trans rights is abominable. His only position thus far is that it should be deferred back to the state and local level rather than a heavy handed approach at the federal. I agree with that and certainly wouldn't call it abominable. The local level is where these issues need to be hashed out, ideally free of any government involvement.
Either way it's a CF.
If she competes with boys, she loses. If she competes with girls, she's got an unfair advantage owing to taking testosterone. Is it fair to the other girls in the competition that one of them was permitted to take a serious performance-enhancer the others were not?
She should not have been permitted to wrestle while taking taking testosterone.
Beggs identifies as male but must compete against girls because of two UIL rules, one requiring student-athletes to compete as the gender listed on their birth certificate and the other prohibiting boys from wrestling girls.