Transgender boy wins Texas state girls wrestling title

[Fanatical Meat]

Everyone in this thread should watch this south Park episode

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/ms8uv8/im-transginger

*Mr. Garrison "You don't want this hot potato"

 

[UglyCasanova]

Oh, that's a shame. A similar perspective has been used for decades to persecute gay people and it has a horrific legacy. Hell, it was also the excuse for segregation. It's sad that Trump isn't able to learn the lessons of history in that respect but then again I guess that's not the world's biggest surprise, haha.

So your opinion is that Trump's abominable treatment of transgenders is that he defers to the states and local school disctricts rather than the federal government? The same federal government who's already got it wrong in your own opinion in regards to athletics mind you.

 

[Sonikku]

Either way it's a CF.

If she competes with boys, she loses. If she competes with girls, she's got an unfair advantage owing to taking testosterone. Is it fair to the other girls in the competition that one of them was permitted to take a serious performance-enhancer the others were not?

She should not have been permitted to wrestle while taking testosterone.

Indeed. He should have been permitted to wrestle with the boys, at a disadvantage, like He wanted. But the state of Texas would not let him do so.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I'm beginning to believe this whole thing is a scam. It's possible that the kid is as clueless as fskimospy and can't quite understand what a complete asshole hypocrite he/she looks like while spouting that "I don't want to wrestle girls" bullshit while continuing to wrestle girls. It's just too big a leap to think that two people on earth could be that stupid.

I think mommy and daddy and lawyers and a couple of publicists are behind this to turn this whole Jerry Springer level circus into a cause celebre and they're intentionally gaming the system to try to paint the kid as a victim in the hopes of getting limousine liberals to foot the bill for the sex change.

I have $100 that says there's a crowd funding campaign set up inside a week to try to solicit donations to pay for the medical bills. Any takers?

 

[werepossum]

Keep these coming, they are hilarious.

This is as simple as can be. The state legislature FORCED him to compete against women. If you don't like it, take it up with conservatives.

No. The state disallowed him to compete against boys; it was completely his own decision to compete against girls. But please continue your struggle against reality, it's very amusing.

 

[fskimospy]

So your opinion is that Trump's abominable treatment of transgenders is that he defers to the states and local school disctricts rather than the federal government? The same federal government who's already got it wrong in your own opinion in regards to athletics mind you.

Uhmm...yes. Why on earth would my opinion depend on the federal government being infallible? If we're going for who got it wrong in the past though, on civil rights you better believe I would defer to the federal government considering the states have an absolutely atrocious record in that regard.

As far as why Trump's policies are abominable, 'defer to the states' have very obvious consequences that we're all totally aware of. Either he is aware of those consequences and doesn't care, making his position abominable, or he is unaware of it and made that decision anyway, making him incompetent.

 

[vi edit]

I'm beginning to believe this whole thing is a scam. It's possible that the kid is as clueless as fskimospy and can't quite understand what a complete asshole hypocrite he/she looks like while spouting that "I don't want to wrestle girls" bullshit while continuing to wrestle girls. It's just too big a leap to think that two people on earth could be that stupid.

I think mommy and daddy and lawyers and a couple of publicists are behind this to turn this whole Jerry Springer level circus into a cause celebre and they're intentionally gaming the system to try to paint the kid as a victim in the hopes of getting limousine liberals to foot the bill for the sex change.

I have $100 that says there's a crowd funding campaign set up inside a week to try to solicit donations to pay for the medical bills. Any takers?

I legitimately do think that they are trying to bring awareness to the issue and how rigid the rules can be and the effect they had.

 

[fskimospy]

No. The state disallowed him to compete against boys; it was completely his own decision to compete against girls. But please continue your struggle against reality, it's very amusing.

I agree, this thread has been pretty hilarious. The contortions conservatives have been going through to try and make the oppression of state authorities the fault of the person they are trying to oppress is pretty great. It's not surprising, as modern american conservatism is all about avoiding responsibility for their actions, but it's still funny.

The state made him choose between a sport he's been committed to for years and his gender identity. If the state had been smart it would have just left well enough alone and let him wrestle boys, something everyone actually involved in the wrestling matches wanted, things would have been fine. Instead it stopped him. As usual, conservatives are all about big government sticking its nose in so long as it's sticking its nose in to do things conservatives like.

You guys are free to make and support shitty policies all you want but it would be nice if you were mature enough to accept the consequences of those policies. If wishes were fishes...

 

[OrByte]

It seems like some people here think that due to the State's rules about competition, since this girl is transitioning to be a boy then this girl forfeits her right to participate in a sport that is offered to both sexes.

There are some freedoms with this line of thinking that are being infringed upon

A more wise decision by the state and governing athletic body would have been to treat these issues on a case by base basis. Personal responsibility, accountability, petition a reasonable governing body. then the outcome could be agreed upon by all parties.

Blanket rules (by design?) alienate segments of the population all the time, here is a good example.

Is there anyone here that really thinks this girl should not be allowed to compete? if so, why?

 

[Atreus21]

Is there anyone here that really thinks this girl should not be allowed to compete? if so, why?

I think she shouldn't have been allowed to compete because it's unfair to the other girls who are not allowed to take testosterone.

 

[Sonikku]

I think she shouldn't have been allowed to compete because it's unfair to the other girls who are not allowed to take testosterone.

Then allow him to compete against the boys instead. Right now he can't.

 

[Atreus21]

Then allow him to compete against the boys instead. Right now he can't.

Fine, except that it's against the rules. I don't agree with changing the rules because of one outlier.

I don't see the horror in telling the kid, "You're free to compete, but not while you're taking a performance-enhancer."

 

[UglyCasanova]

I'm wondering if there is anyone on here in favor of the Obama approach if it were a MTF athlete? Obama mandated that if a male identifies as female he be allowed to compete against females. Anyone on here support that approach?

 

[Drako]

Meh, this type of thing will just ruin women's sports. Is that a bad thing?

 

[fskimospy]

Fine, except that it's against the rules. I don't agree with changing the rules because of one outlier.

I don't see the horror in telling the kid, "You're free to compete, but not while you're taking a performance-enhancer."

So this means 'you're free to compete at the cost of your gender identity'. Do you see the horror in that now?

What's wrong with the NCAA rules?

 

[bshole]

The state made him choose between a sport he's been committed to for years and his gender identity. If the state had been smart it would have just left well enough alone and let him wrestle boys, something everyone actually involved in the wrestling matches wanted, things would have been fine. Instead it stopped him. As usual, conservatives are all about big government sticking its nose in so long as it's sticking its nose in to do things conservatives like.

I do not think anybody on here disagrees that he should have been allowed to participate with other boys. That decision by the state was nonsensical, absolutely nonsensical.

So we are left with a shit sandwich. Morally I don't think he did the correct thing by competing. He trampled over the rights of every single girl in the state at his weight level. He denied each and every one of them a fair opportunity at the championship. Each of them trained for years as well and probably dreamed of winning the crown. Empathy runs two ways and he showed little here. A compromise he could have made that showed empathy would have been to compete through the season but withdraw from the championship to allow somebody else to win it fairly. I know I would think of him in a better light if he had made such a move, much better in fact

 

[Zorba]

I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans. Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport. But if a women came along in a sport and was able to hang with men, why not let her (assuming she qualifies).

Either direction trans would have a massive advantage over normal females, so they should only be allowed to compete with males or on coed teams.

 

[bshole]

I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans. Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport. But if a women came along in a sport and was able to hang with men, why not let her (assuming she qualifies).

Either direction trans would have a massive advantage over normal females, so they should only be allowed to compete with males or on coed teams.

Pretty much agree.

 

[desura]

Pretty much agree.

At my HS there was a girl who played football. She was like on the line or something.

Not trans, straight.

 

[momeNt]

I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans. Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport. But if a women came along in a sport and was able to hang with men, why not let her (assuming she qualifies).

Either direction trans would have a massive advantage over normal females, so they should only be allowed to compete with males or on coed teams.

Yes. I think female sports should be sex = gender, and male sports is open to all. That keeps competition at its purest and allows for no disadvantages to "females". MTF should not be allowed in female sports because they were born with advantages that cannot be erased.

 

[Sonikku]

Fine, except that it's against the rules. I don't agree with changing the rules because of one outlier.

I don't see the horror in telling the kid, "You're free to compete, but not while you're taking a performance-enhancer."

"You're free to compete, but not against the girls because you're on male hormones and not against the guys either because reasons". Sounds to me like he can't compete period.

 

[1sikbITCH]

No Zippy. And given your historical stupidity it comes as no surprise that you need to have this explained to you. I'll talk slowly and try to use short simple words so you can follow along. Ready? Let's begin.

Yes, Texas is wrong. The kid should not be allowed to wrestle girls while juicing.

But the kid is even more wrong. The kid knows he/she is juicing. The kid knows its not a fair fight. The kid knows the other girls have no chance. And the kid is wrestling anyway. The kid has no class and no integrity (and I realize you probably have to look up that last word, but I used it intentionally in the hopes that you learn something.

Hypothetical: Some legal loophole allows you to wrestle, box or lift weights against kids of an age/ability level far below yours. In your case that might be wheelchair bound Care Bear dolls, but whatever. You know that it's not fair, you know the other competitors have no chance and you know that you're being legislated a certain win rather than earning it and you know that the kids who deserve to win those trophies cant because some asshole signed a piece of paper that would turn the entire event into a joke. Would you:

A) Go, beat up the defenseless little Care Bears and dance around the gym with the trophy screaming "I WON!! I WON!!!"

or

b) Say "No thanks, the law is stupid and it's not fair for me to compete when I'm guaranteed to win thanks to labs and laws. I'll sit this one out and let it be won fairly by somebody not juicing."


Okay, maybe that's a bad example because I think we all know what YOU would do. But what would a person of integrity (have you looked up that word yet?) do? Steal a trophy that they have no business competing for or sit out so that the competition is decided fairly?

Donald Trump has admitted to not paying Federal taxes for 19 years due to loopholes, saying this proves how smart he is.

How is this different?

 

[realibrad]

I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans. Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport. But if a women came along in a sport and was able to hang with men, why not let her (assuming she qualifies).

Either direction trans would have a massive advantage over normal females, so they should only be allowed to compete with males or on coed teams.

What would be the legal argument to allow girls into men's events, but not men into women's events? To me, it can only be that men are inherently better at most sports because of a biological advantage. The problem with that is many people push the idea that everyone is equal in every way. You would have to legally establish that men are superior which would piss off a whole lot of people.

 

[Drako]

I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans.

Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport.

You answered your own question.

 

[Darwin333]

Nobody is being an asshole. Just stating the facts. She is being selfish and taking advantage

Well you are able to believe as you want. She is using legally prescribed drugs that make her ineligible for competition. I believe she is juiced and should be disqualified from competition all around.

So you would also say that any kid that is prescribed and taking testosterone for any reason should be banned from competing in highschool sports?