Can you blame her? I don't think it's her fault for competing; it's the fault of the organization for letting her compete while on a performance enhancer. If I were an athlete and the rules were such that I could get an unfair advantage, I'd have to be crazy not to take it. There's no morale obligation in a competition other than playing according to the rules.
I think many athletes would disagree with you.
Can you blame her? I don't think it's her fault for competing; it's the fault of the organization for letting her compete while on a performance enhancer. If I were an athlete and the rules were such that I could get an unfair advantage, I'd have to be crazy not to take it. There's no morale obligation in a competition other than playing according to the rules.
There are certainly examples of cheating out there, but by and large the sporting community adheres to the principals of fair play and working hard at achieving victory through perseverance and determination. Look at how quickly Lance Armstrong was shunned and fell from grace. Most athletes look down on cheaters, simple as that.
Most of your post seem really out of date, you should keep up with current affairs more often to be honest.
Basically a top league and an under league, just like divisions in college supports or high school sports. I doubt you'd find many people that honestly thought women on average were as good at sports as men on average. But if there was an amazing WNBA player that could hang with the men, why not let her? Or the more likely sport, LPGA. I think there are multiple cases throughout the years of women suing to get into a men's league, not sure why they should have to go throw all of that just let them in if they are good enough, which basically none of them would be.
So this means 'you're free to compete at the cost of your gender identity'. Do you see the horror in that now?
What's wrong with the NCAA rules?
This seems oddly familiar.
The fact that they're averse to reality. Allowing women to compete with men or vice versa in sports where biological facts account for vast differences in performance will lead to people getting hurt, particularly women.
Depends entirely on the sport. There's only a handful of contact or semi-contact sports out there that it's an issue.
Would any woman want to spend the time and effort training only to face unfair competition?
And what of non-contact sports like track and field? The presence of a single man in a women's event renders the entire event a foregone conclusion. Would any woman want to spend the time and effort training only to face unfair competition?
You have a top league where men fill 99.9% and you will get people complaining about how it's reinforcing women as the lesser league.
You are also only looking at from women getting into men's leagues but not the reverse which was part of my question. What prohibits men from the lesser league? If nothing then you have two leagues where men fill both which will push out women.
There would be a rule that stated only natural born females can be in the female league. The proof of which is upper vs lower would be how many women were in the men's league.
I don't think many people have issue with the fact men are superior from an athletic point of view, that is why there are two leagues now and that it doesn't violate anti-segration laws. But I think people would be pissed if you had a female Tiger Woods that wasn't allowed to play with the men, or a female Kobe that couldn't play in the NBA.
Several women have played in PGA, I doubt any men have played in the LPGA. I think most feminists are all for it.
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Look at Caster Semenya and how the media responded to her. People seem to want people who identify as female to compete as female. Caster is interesting, because she is born with XY, but her organs did not fully develop and as such has much higher testosterone levels than women, but under men. The argument is that she should not have to take hormone suppression and should get to compete against women.
I agree that women should be able to compete against men, because its not going to change much. Men that want to identify as women will have a massive advantage over other women. Caster was born as XY, yet people still want her to compete as a female.
Or maybe the state could not bar him from competing against the boys. Like he wants.
That's probably the best compromise, although it's not going to appease the far left who believe that gender is simply in one's mind.I've never understood why men's leagues aren't just open to girls, and nowadays either direction trans. Girls teams were setup because men have a massive advantage of them in nearly every sport. But if a women came along in a sport and was able to hang with men, why not let her (assuming she qualifies).
Either direction trans would have a massive advantage over normal females, so they should only be allowed to compete with males or on coed teams.
Personally I would say that any person taking any substance recognized as a performance enhancing substance for any reason should be banned from competition against people not allowed to take that substance. Either it's legal for every competitor, or it's illegal for every competitor.So you would also say that any kid that is prescribed and taking testosterone for any reason should be banned from competing in highschool sports?
In our defense, anyone who finds himself in agreement with Trump really needs to keep open a line of retreat just in case . . .Obama didn't agree with the NCAA rules. His order was any student has to be allowed to play under the gender they identify with. A MTF transgender athlete has to be allowed to play against females, no exceptions. Trump didn't necessarily do away with that - it could still be the case - but he defers to the state and local levels to make that call rather than a blanket order from Uncle Sam saying they have to be allowed to play.
It sounds like many here are in agreement with Trump but just don't want to admit it.
That's probably the best compromise, although it's not going to appease the far left who believe that gender is simply in one's mind.
"Simply in one's mind", as in "the organ that's responsible for our entire perception of reality"?That's probably the best compromise, although it's not going to appease the far left who believe that gender is simply in one's mind.
Competing with men is what he wants to do though. It ain't the lefties here. The state of Texas won't let him.That's probably the best compromise, although it's not going to appease the far left who believe that gender is simply in one's mind.
Obamas order and what Trump just rolled back to defer to the states required that a male to female transgender student be allowed to compete against females. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. If they identified as female then they compete against females.