Transgender Children?

[Dr. Zaus]

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Really? I'm straight as are most of the folks I know and I can't say I've ever heard or seen anything to indicate that any of them think that and I sure don't think that myself. Two people in love are two people in love.

I'm honestly a little uneasy around two guys kissing. Generally I smile at gay couples to try and make them feel more welcomed. I don't see why my getting a little uneasy should screw anyone's life up. I don't see why society being uneasy should screw up the life of a gender-dismorphic kid.

 

[Sheep221]

I'm honestly a little uneasy around two guys kissing. Generally I smile at gay couples to try and make them feel more welcomed. I don't see why my getting a little uneasy should screw anyone's life up. I don't see why society being uneasy should screw up the life of a gender-dismorphic kid.

I guess this applies mostly to gay(and lesbian) couples, you can't really see someone being transgender.

 

[Sonikku]

I'm honestly a little uneasy around two guys kissing.

Home come?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Home come?

I don't know. I think it's literally latent fear. I'm not defending how I feel: but I think it's important to reflect on our first impressions.

I went to a gaming conference and that's a whole other bag of people with major disorders they are confusing with gender dysmorphia.

 

[mindless1]

All children should be raised the gender they were born. Once they turn 18 and move out, they are free to make their own choices as adults. So-called professionals should not interfere with the course of development a child has.

Although those so-called professionals want to coddle the parents too, I strongly suspect that in most cases the parents are F'd in the head and just transferring that onto the child.

 

[who?]

The gender that children are born is in their mind, not between their legs.How can you tell a child's gender until the child can speak and tell you?

 

[mindless1]

^ A child's mind is silly putty, elastic and an empty vessel that you can fill with any crap you want to. Obviously I don't advocate that, but It Happens. Genetics does in fact determine gender, until screwed up adults with an agenda get involved.

 

[sandorski]

^ .... A child's mind is silly putty, elastic and an empty vessel that you can fill with any crap you want to. .....

That is completely wrong.

 

[mindless1]

^ Nature vs nurture proves this constantly.

Don't be lazy, instead of stating completely wrong, tell us your mental blunders so we can pick them apart.

There is a staggering amount of evidence that a child is a product of their environment, and only anecdotal evidence otherwise. Ever heard that phrase "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree"? Ever notice how children who grew up in poverty tend to live that way too? There are exceptions, a trivial number of people that the rich like to use as a carrot to make the rest of them Work Harder, or just random luck.

A child's mind shouldn't have to rely on luck.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

That is completely wrong.

Evolutionary psychology shows that people are not silly putty. But minds are also not magic. They are a complex interplay between evolved brains and the physical and social environment.

As such, mutilating a body because society says minds are magic is out and out wrong.

 

[sandorski]

^ Nature vs nurture proves this constantly.

Don't be lazy, instead of stating completely wrong, tell us your mental blunders so we can pick them apart.

There is a staggering amount of evidence that a child is a product of their environment, and only anecdotal evidence otherwise. Ever heard that phrase "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree"? Ever notice how children who grew up in poverty tend to live that way too? There are exceptions, a trivial number of people that the rich like to use as a carrot to make the rest of them Work Harder, or just random luck.

A child's mind shouldn't have to rely on luck.

There are a combination of factors. A Mind is not like a Blank Disk.

 

[sandorski]

Evolutionary psychology shows that people are not silly putty. But minds are also not magic. They are a complex interplay between evolved brains and the physical and social environment.

As such, mutilating a body because society says minds are magic is out and out wrong.

The important thing to ask yourself here is not "if" society is doing something, but "why" society might be advocating for something to be done.

 

[mindless1]

Definitely pliable like silly putty. The reason this doesn't seem believable is that the *average* person is exposed to the society around them so there is that training.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Definitely pliable like silly putty. The reason this doesn't seem believable is that the *average* person is exposed to the society around them so there is that training.

Even putty has limits it imposes on the shapes it can take and hold. Evolved facts of the brain still bind that putty's tensile strength, viscosity, and malleability. It must only be the physical and social environment interacting with those facts that create what we call minds.

That or it's magic.

And it isn't magic.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I noticed someone disputed the statement that kids are very moldable. What I would respond to this, is that Hitler appears to have successfully created monsters out of children. I can't fault the child, rather, I fault those who molded them. A child can very much be molded. While it isn't absolute and there still is some measure of free will involved, I think it is rather rare that a child can remain unstained from a dominating evil force imposing their will on them.

Now, to the topic at hand - I would say that people need to have a lot more empathy towards transgender people. This isn't something they just 'choose'... This is often something they have felt ever since they were young. Were they born that way? I am not willing to dogmatically declare yes to that, as nature/nurture is nearly impossible to prove. But I will say this: Through no fault of their own does this happen.

Also, it is so darn cruel to label these people as rapists and perverts. Nothing could be further from the truth. Statistically speaking, that demographic has no more sex crime than heterosexual, gay, etc... Additionally, many of these people are already facing such massive persecution for who they are... They are harmless and good individuals.

 

[nakedfrog]

^ A child's mind is silly putty, elastic and an empty vessel that you can fill with any crap you want to. Obviously I don't advocate that, but It Happens. Genetics does in fact determine gender, until screwed up adults with an agenda get involved.

I'll pose to you the same question I've posed to so many people, how many transgender individuals have you personally talked to about this?

 

[who?]

Kate Bornstein says that she never felt like a boy and one of her books is subtitled " on men women and the rest of us". Caitlin Jenner says that she always felt that she was a girl no matter how hard she tried.to be masculine. Their feelings came from inside them not outside.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Kate Bornstein says that she never felt like a boy and one of her books is subtitled " on men women and the rest of us". Caitlin Jenner says that she always felt that she was a girl no matter how hard she tried.to be masculine. Their feelings came from inside them not outside.

To feel something as authentic and internal is not the same as to locate its scientific cause.

Scientifically there is a complex interaction between genes, and the social and physical environment. All make up some part of the other, and that interweaving has many nodes which might be different such that we would see other outcomes.

Many confuse internal, experience of the authentic, and choice. We put different existential weight on some, release an individual from guilt for others, and cast dispersions on those who act under yet others. This is because I can imagine others having the experience of things being internal, authentic, or chosen.

From a scientific distance however those feelings are lies we tell ourselves in order to optimize our ability to cope with an uncertain world - not a physical fact about true causes.

 

[sandorski]

This seems appropriate to the subject

 

[josnorgren]

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I know a guy who was living in confusion for more than 30 years and then realized that he wanted to be a woman. Now she is undergoing hormone treatment and depression, which is not an easy combination. It's hard to see someone you love cling on to life like that.