Transgender teen joins girls track team

[Theb]

I think the fairest thing would be to have all transgender people compete in men's sports. It's not entirely fair for the MtF person who is taking estrogen and it's not fair for the FtM person who has not had a natural testosterone boost, but I think it is fairer than letting them compete with a significant advantage. We all know why this person is winning. We all know why that wrestler in Texas was winning. It doesn't matter how many trophies they win there will always be an asterisk attached to them.

In all other things I thing transgender people should enjoy the advantages and disadvantages of the gender they identify with.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Or you know...
Boys Track
Girls Track
Transgender/Attack Helicopter Track.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Repeat, follow Olympic Sports regulations.

 

[Ventanni]

I'm going to get a log of flack for this post.

I have a problem with this. I really do. It has nothing to do with the fact that the kid is a transgender. It has everything to do with the fact that while he may be a "woman" now, he's had a number of years where she's developed as a male. We spend too much time focusing on the hormonal differences and how that affects the muscular structure, but the key difference between a male and female is in the bones. Once you go through puberty, you've got what you've got. Whereas women have bone structures that allow them to have children, men have bone structures that are ideal for physical labor. Male chest cavities are wider, allowing for longer ranges of motion of our chest and back muscles. Our hands are larger, allowing for more surface area to apply pressure to. This is why I have a huge issue with transgenders competing in female sports, because while they may now have the same muscular percentages and bone densities as women do, they still have the structure of a man, which is more ideal for it all.

The reverse is also true. Load up on massive amounts of steroids so that there are no hormonal advantages between the two sexes, and women still do not compete anywhere near the same level with men. Women lift just over 2000lbs of combined squat, bench, and dead lift weight, and men lift over 3000lbs. Why is this? Because male bone structure is more suited to this.

It doesn't mean she has an easy "I win!" button, but the truth is that she won't have to work as hard to compete as the other females will.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm pretty torn on this transgender stuff. Being a progressive I tend to support LGBT issues strongly. But on this topic, I'm on the fence. It's a tough topic. I'll see the other arguments and how more of these situations pan out and figure out a position that suits my morals and beliefs.

 

[Humpy]

People that cheat in sports are assholes.

 

[Zorba]

I really don't know much about psychology behind transgenders, but I highly doubt some guy did turn himself to woman just to unfairly compete in some sport.

Apparently you've never been around highly competitive people. I had friends taking roids in middle school for an edge. If all a guy had to do to win is claim they are a women or take estrogen for a year, there will be some that will do it. Look at the great lengths Lance Armstrong took to cheat his way to victory. He didn't even stop after giving himself cancer.

Regardless of whether men will do it just to win, it is still a massive disadvantage to born females. We have spent the last 4 decades trying to push women's sports and put women on equal ground for athletic opportunity. Now we are going to completely pull the opportunity to win away from any that have to compete against transgender people.

Both direction trans have huge advantages over born women and it is unfair to those women.

BTW: this is nothing like gay marriage, because it directly and obviously affects other people in non-emotional/moral/religious ways.

 

[Zorba]

No doubt it's all part of a life-long scheme: First there's all the wins from competing in sports events for women, then to reel in lots of poor unwitting men with false-rape allegations, then some hefty divorce settlements as well as pay-related workplace discrimination lawsuits. Ah, the oppression-free life of luxury these frauds lead. /s

You some how took my pro woman post and turned it around to be anti women. Great job there. Must make life easy when you assume anyone that disagrees with you is just a bigot.

 

[mikeymikec]

You some how took my pro woman post and turned it around to be anti women. Great job there. Must make life easy when you assume anyone that disagrees with you is just a bigot.

What do you mean, "I some how took your post"? I wasn't even responding to you. Nor did I, (or have I ever to my knowledge) assume or state that anyone who disagrees with me is a bigot.

My post wasn't anti-woman at all, it was a piss-take out of the sort of person who complains that women have it easy and take advantage of men at every turn, as well as hinting that in most developed countries, transpeople are not going to have an a life as easy as it is for most due to their gender identity at any point soon, and IMO the idea is laughable that someone would put themselves through that kind of meatgrinder for the sake of winning a few medals competing with teens "with the difficulty set to easy", especially when those medals are going to mean jack-shit a few years afterwards.

 

[digiram]

emotionally, he may be a she, but physically he is still a he. Should not be able to compete in girl's sport, and I'm a progressive as well.

 

[bshole]

at every turn, as well as hinting that in most developed countries, transpeople are not going to have an a life as easy as it is for most due to their gender identity at any point soon, and IMO the idea is laughable that someone would put themselves through that kind of meatgrinder for the sake of winning a few medals competing with teens "with the difficulty set to easy", especially when those medals are going to mean jack-shit a few years afterwards.

You haven't participated in sports then. Not a week goes by that I don't recall with great fondness the athletic accomplishments of my youth.

 

[momeNt]

Isn't this a gender acceptance issue?

Basically anybody qualifying their posts by saying "i'm pro-LGBTQIA+" or "I'm progressive" and then turning around saying there is an advantage, is undermining the ability of LGBTQIA+ to be accepted by how they identify.

Even the IOC "recommendations" still discriminate and place rules on how people can compete despite how they identify. I don't really view that as a policy of acceptance, you can't be accepting with qualifiers attached.

 

[mikeymikec]

You haven't participated in sports then. Not a week goes by that I don't recall with great fondness the athletic accomplishments of my youth.

Well that would be where you're wrong, not that it has any relevance to the topic. I won some swimming medals as a teen! Not that it means jack-shit to anyone except me except as a memory, (now coming back to the topic) let alone the idea of pretending to be female, likely getting bullied every fucking day of school because of it, for the sake of cheating to win a few medals as a teen.

Christ, if I was transgender I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself in such an obvious way (by competing in sports) to increase the chances of getting bullied the shit out of me tenfold. Many parents probably wouldn't lift a finger either even if it was happening right in front of them; considering how many parents get so freaking obsessive about their kids in sport, they'd probably be on the front line hurling abuse!

 

[1prophet]

I'm pretty torn on this transgender stuff. Being a progressive I tend to support LGBT issues strongly. But on this topic, I'm on the fence. It's a tough topic. I'll see the other arguments and how more of these situations pan out and figure out a position that suits my morals and beliefs.

How about getting off the fence and use science and biology and leave morals, beliefs and feelings to religion and philosophy,

I don't remember any progressive worth their salt sitting on the fence when they confront religious beliefs like the existence of god, age of the earth, WHEN life begins, afterlife, etc.

You have no problem using science and biology then, why is it so difficult now?

 

[NesuD]

If this is going to be ok and considered fair then just eliminate boy and girls sports altogether. Make all the kids compete against each other regardless of sex. In very short order all of the girls will stop trying because it will be impossible for them to compete with the males. There is a reason sports are separated by sex. Saying I identify as a girl does not physically make you one. It is unfair to biological females to force them to compete against biological males with all the inherent physical advantages biological males bring to the table. were I a biological female I would refuse to compete against her. I would forfeit every event that I was forced to compete with a biological male. This is a very good way to destroy a good female sports program.

 

[ElFenix]

You haven't participated in sports then. Not a week goes by that I don't recall with great fondness the athletic accomplishments of my youth.

i too recall my awesome high school achievements

 

[ElFenix]

How about getting off the fence and use science and biology and leave morals, beliefs and feelings to religion and philosophy,

I don't remember any progressive worth their salt sitting on the fence when they confront religious beliefs like the existence of god, age of the earth, WHEN life begins, afterlife, etc.

You have no problem using science and biology then, why is it so difficult now?

uh, cuz there's no bright line here? if there were this would be an easy question. but biology isn't a bright line at all. there's something like 40 factors and they're all on a sliding scale. sure, there's a bunch of polar clumping, but that doesn't cover a good chunk of the population.

 

[agent00f]

I'm pretty torn on this transgender stuff. Being a progressive I tend to support LGBT issues strongly. But on this topic, I'm on the fence. It's a tough topic. I'll see the other arguments and how more of these situations pan out and figure out a position that suits my morals and beliefs.

These "threads" aren't really about what they pretend to (eg. fairness in athletics), but just a vehicle for degenerates to advance their bigotry through whatever means they can. In this case, it's pretty obvious they don't give a shit about the female athletes there're pretending to have some kind of solidarity in victimhood with.

 

[bshole]

i too recall my awesome high school achievements

The bragging on past athletics is somewhat satisfying. It represents the last scraps of satisfaction in a largely unsatisfying life.

 

[child of wonder]

These "threads" aren't really about what they pretend to (eg. fairness in athletics), but just a vehicle for degenerates to advance their bigotry through whatever means they can. In this case, it's pretty obvious they don't give a shit about the female athletes there're pretending to have some kind of solidarity in victimhood with.

There it is. Anyone questioning this is automatically a bigot.

 

[agent00f]

There it is. Anyone questioning this is automatically a bigot.

I'm just point out what motivates degenerates.

 

[UglyCasanova]

There it is. Anyone questioning this is automatically a bigot.

He's a forum sanctioned troll. 8k+ posts since joining last June, 90% of which are "white people are evil/suck because...". Great posts, highly recommended.

 

[agent00f]

He's a forum sanctioned troll. 8k+ posts since joining last June, 90% of which are "white people are evil/suck because...". Great posts, highly recommended.

Pretty sure western liberalism is mostly white people, but it's understandable why the most degenerate part of it really don't like their motivations exposed; for example, why white nationalists reflexively believe what you put in quotes.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't give a shit. It's running around a circle as fast as you can. Why the fuck is that important in any way?

I just wanted my participation award for posting. We all get those don't we?

 

[mikeymikec]

I don't give a shit. It's running around a circle as fast as you can. Why the fuck is that important in any way?

I just wanted my participation award for posting. We all get those don't we?

First we need to check your genitalia.