Transgender teen joins girls track team

[Corn]

Honestly I'm getting bored with it. He's far more of a troll than an engaging member of the community here. There are some really good liberal posters here that offer a lot more than just trolling / shilling.

I'm sure he has good ideas occasionally he just is unable to get past a generalized hatred of anybody he identifies as conservative and it precludes any rational thought he would otherwise be capable. I feel sorry for him.

No reason to feel sorry for him. A bit of my own personal observation and experience: My son has asperger's syndrome. My wife constantly frets about his lack of deep friendships she believes he won't enjoy throughout his life. Maybe she's right and he won't. That said, this doesn't seem to bother him a bit at this stage of his life and likely won't in the future. He's happy....and as far as I'm concerned, that's all that really matters. Our resident spook (that'll spark some comical outrage I bet) reminds me a lot of my son.

 

[Corn]

It's a matter of factual record that you've mostly chosen to post about me, because what I do to your peers is uniquely effective, as you've now experienced.

Really? Most of my 6000+ posts over a period of 17 years at AT are about you? Very interesting indeed. See, I was right, you are funny!

 

[bshole]

For example, there's an actually interesting phenomenon starting in kids sports where benefits of being even marginally older within a class/completion-group correlates to long term success, in what appears to be some cascading effect, but it's easy to see why we'll never see the same degens ever concerned about this competitive edge or much of anything else concerning women's sports unless it involved some lower status group they don't care for.

That seems to be true. My son was in hockey and this was a blatant trend. All the first shift players were the older players and they got significantly more time on the ice and the advantage magnified as the years went by. A few months makes a huge difference in youth sports. My son was born in the half of the year and never got the game ice time as the older players. The coaches had more of an attitude of winning instead of instilling a love of the game..... this with 10 year olds. My son actually did quite good in the 8th grade and got his first hat trick. Unfortunately his grades cratered in high school and we never found out how good he could be. There is plenty of anger in youth hockey about ice time for the lower performing players, especially given that the parents are paying over 1,000 for the privelege of watching their kids sit on the bench for a disproportionate amount of time. I never said anything about it because I felt it was great lesson for my son to learn about the unfairness of life. In real life, you either perform or are discarded.

about 40 percent of players in Canada’s elite youth hockey leagues are born in the first quarter of the year, while just 15 percent are born in the last quarter of the year.

https://www.wired.com/2013/03/nhl-selection-bias/

 

[agent00f]

No reason to feel sorry for him. A bit of my own personal observation and experience: My son has asperger's syndrome. My wife constantly frets about his lack of deep friendships she believes he won't enjoy throughout his life. Maybe she's right and he won't. That said, this doesn't seem to bother him a bit at this stage of his life and likely won't in the future. He's happy....and as far as I'm concerned, that's all that really matters. Our resident spook (that'll spark some comical outrage I bet) reminds me a lot of my son.

Would be hard to argue this isn't behavior befitting degenerates, even for moment.

Really? Most of my 6000+ posts over a period of 17 years at AT are about you? Very interesting indeed. See, I was right, you are funny!

I'm pretty sure even your mental peers can figure out the relevant time period here, even if they all mutual agree all to play too dumb.

 

[agent00f]

That seems to be true. My son was in hockey and this was a blatant trend. All the first shift players were the older players and they got significantly more time on the ice and the advantage magnified as the years went by. A few months makes a huge difference in youth sports. My son was born in the half of the year and never got the game ice time as the older players. The coaches had more of an attitude of winning instead of instilling a love of the game..... this with 10 year olds. My son actually did quite good in the 8th grade and got his first hat trick. Unfortunately his grades cratered in high school and we never found out how good he could be. There is plenty of anger in youth hockey about ice time for the lower performing players, especially given that the parents are paying over 1,000 for the privelege of watching their kids sit on the bench for a disproportionate amount of time. I never said anything about it because I felt it was great lesson for my son to learn about the unfairness of life. In real life, you either perform or are discarded.

https://www.wired.com/2013/03/nhl-selection-bias/

It this phenomenon holds elsewhere like academics it has pretty significant ramifications. For now I think the clear solution is to try equalizing the opportunities, no matter the protestations.

 

[momeNt]

Think of the two birds with one stone potential. You admit a hundred "transgender" who have no ethics and are willing to pretend they self-identify as women to get free college. You multi-sport them, a good male jock would probably be able to dominate volleyball as easily as basketball, so 100 or so will cover most of the major sports. You get winning programs AND you get to look like an enlightened liberal wonderland that welcomes people of any orientation. You can cheat both systems simultaneously.

Ladybugs - 1992

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104670/

 

[momeNt]

No reason to feel sorry for him. A bit of my own personal observation and experience: My son has asperger's syndrome. My wife constantly frets about his lack of deep friendships she believes he won't enjoy throughout his life. Maybe she's right and he won't. That said, this doesn't seem to bother him a bit at this stage of his life and likely won't in the future. He's happy....and as far as I'm concerned, that's all that really matters. Our resident spook (that'll spark some comical outrage I bet) reminds me a lot of my son.

Okay, yes he may remind you of your son, but wouldn't you like for your son to exhibit the ability to compose and present a rational argument? And be able to defend that argument without resorting to name-calling? Asperger's isn't debilitating to the point where all you can hope for is their comfort and happiness, you can wish for them to excel. That is my problem, there has been a marked DECLINE in his posting quality since I've noticed him on this forum. Normally this place brings out the argumentative juices in people, and they actually try to better themselves and their arguments in order to win a point. He has continued down a path of just rabid namecalling and I find that disappointing.

 

[agent00f]

Okay, yes he may remind you of your son, but wouldn't you like for your son to exhibit the ability to compose and present a rational argument? And be able to defend that argument without resorting to name-calling? Asperger's isn't debilitating to the point where all you can hope for is their comfort and happiness, you can wish for them to excel. That is my problem, there has been a marked DECLINE in his posting quality since I've noticed him on this forum. Normally this place brings out the argumentative juices in people, and they actually try to better themselves and their arguments in order to win a point. He has continued down a path of just rabid namecalling and I find that disappointing.

The discussion above is a faithful demonstration of the degenerate strategy against rationality, namely expect reason of others to which they reply by drooling. Liberals fall for it consistently to their disadvantage, which is these politics threads never get anywhere no matter the intellectual firepower on one side. It's also why there's evidently zero worthwhile discussion between american conservatism and anything else, including itself.

 

[mikeymikec]

It has little to do with just genitalia and everything to do with the science of genetics. If you have a Y- chromosome you're a male, end of science based story.

Yeah, no.

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

 

[Corn]

Okay, yes he may remind you of your son, but wouldn't you like for your son to exhibit the ability to compose and present a rational argument? And be able to defend that argument without resorting to name-calling? Asperger's isn't debilitating to the point where all you can hope for is their comfort and happiness, you can wish for them to excel. That is my problem, there has been a marked DECLINE in his posting quality since I've noticed him on this forum. Normally this place brings out the argumentative juices in people, and they actually try to better themselves and their arguments in order to win a point. He has continued down a path of just rabid namecalling and I find that disappointing.

Hah, yes. I would love for my son to exhibit the ability to compose and present rational arguments.....but he is only 11 years old.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeah, no.

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

Thanks for the input of the United Nations.

 

[agent00f]

Hah, yes. I would love for my son to exhibit the ability to compose and present rational arguments.....but he is only 11 years old.

Not terribly smart to resort to leveraging family and then getting easily handled by the supposed equivalent of a disabled 11 year old, but in fairness nobody would accuse these sorts of much brains.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Texas bill to address transgenders in high school sports

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/us/texas-transgender-athletes-trnd/

(CNN)Texas is proposing a bill that could keep transgender students out of high school sports.

The stated focus of the bill, SB 2095, is steroid use. But because gender confirmation often includes the use of steroids, critics say the true purpose of the bill is to discriminate.
"The real intent of the bill is to keep young transgender athletes from participating in sports," Sylvia Garcia of Houston, a Democrat, told CNN. "We need to make sure they're free to participate just like everybody else."


The state Senate passed the bill Tuesday, and it could go before the House as soon as Wednesday.
It is the latest in a string of controversial measures that opponents say unfairly target LGBT people, immigrants and religious minorities.

 

[vi edit]

I'm actually ok with that. It just removes the controversy from the discussion in regards to unfair advantages.

I'm all for the ability for a person to go through a gender change. But that decision has responsibilities associated with it.

To completely dumb down an analogy, I'm all for some one to get a tattoo. But don't be offended if you get a full face tattoo and you can't get a good job from it. There are responsibilities that come with that decision.

 

[Ackmed]

An update on this story;

http://www.courant.com/sports/high-...ack-andraya-yearwood-0407-20170406-story.html
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/04/t...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

Yearwood finished the girls’ 100-meter dash with a time of 12.66 seconds and the girls’ 200-meter dash in 26.08 seconds.

The last-place finishers for the boys’ 100-meter and 200-meter dashes, Shayne Beckloff and Terrance Gallishaw, finished the races in 11.73 seconds and 25.59 seconds, respectively.

Top place for females with those times, would have not even placed for males, being much too far behind.

“I know they’ll say it is unfair and not right, but my counter to that is: Why not?” said Ngozi Nnaji, Yearwood’s mother, to the Hartford Courant. “She is competing and practicing and giving her all and performing and excelling based on her skills. Let that be enough. Let her do that, and be proud of that.”

Well, there is this that may be a reason;

As of April, Yearwood had yet to have a sexual reassignment surgery or take hormone and puberty blockers.

Thats a boy competing against girls. Not surprisingly, the boy won. You could use her "reasoning" for someone using performance enhancing drugs too. But they're practicing and giving their all! As a freshman winning a state title, looks to be an easy win for 3 more years, with state records being broken.

Interesting dilemma for some people who want to be progressive.

 

[vi edit]

An update on this story;

http://www.courant.com/sports/high-...ack-andraya-yearwood-0407-20170406-story.html
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/04/t...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

Top place for females with those times, would have not even placed for males, being much too far behind.

Well, there is this that may be a reason;

Thats a boy competing against girls. Not surprisingly, the boy won. You could use her "reasoning" for someone using performance enhancing drugs too. But they're practicing and giving their all! As a freshman winning a state title, looks to be an easy win for 3 more years, with state records being broken.

Interesting dilemma for some people who want to be progressive.

My argument hasn't really changed, and it's no different than the 1st amendment argument I made in the Kathy Griffin thread. I have no issues with free speech. No issues with transgender surgery. But they all have some level accountability associated with them. In KG's case she was free to do her stunt, but paid the price of losing her job for it. In this kids case he's free to identify with whatever gender he/she chooses. But the rest of field of natural women shouldn't be punished for being natural. "She" shouldn't be allowed to participate in women's events. That's just part of the accountability associated with that right.

 

[Ackmed]

My argument hasn't really changed, and it's no different than the 1st amendment argument I made in the Kathy Griffin thread. I have no issues with free speech. No issues with transgender surgery. But they all have some level accountability associated with them. In KG's case she was free to do her stunt, but paid the price of losing her job for it. In this kids case he's free to identify with whatever gender he/she chooses. But the rest of field of natural women shouldn't be punished for being natural. "She" shouldn't be allowed to participate in women's events. That's just part of the accountability associated with that right.

I agree with your post 100%, in both cases. Being a male through and through physically, he should not be allowed to compete against females. This issue will only compound over time, its just starting.

 

[Roflmouth]

Wait, so an effort by idiot "progressives" to allow a boy who feels like a girl this week to compete against actual girls horribly backfired? Who (besides everyone on Earth) didn't see that coming?

 

[chucky2]

Going to just leave this right here:

I just don't see how this could be allowed. I ran middle distance track in high school, and was good - not great, but good (we were what would be Class 2A now). My best 800m was a 2:00 flat (and by flat the official time was 1:59:99 or whatever, essentially 2:00 flat). I just googled the Illinois girls track record...right off the IHSA site, it says:

400-meter dash
National — 50.74, Monique Henderson, San Diego (Samuel Morse), CA, 2000
IHSA — 52.63, Alexandria Anderson, Chicago (Morgan Park), 2005 (finals)
Class 1A — 55.18, Amanda McClain, Sullivan (Coop), 2015 (finals)
Class 2A — 54.19, Shamier Little, Chicago (Lindblom), 2012 (finals)
Class 3A — 52.63, Alexandria Anderson, Chicago (Morgan Park), 2005 (finals)

800-meter run
National — 2:02.04, Amy Weissenbach, Harvard-Westlake, CA, 2011
IHSA — 2:07.05, Courtney Clayton, Rockton (Hononegah), 2013 (finals)
Class 1A — 2:09.12, Stephanie Brown, Downs (Tri-Valley), 2009 (prelims)
Class 2A — 2:10.73, Karina Liz, Aurora (Central Catholic), 2014 (finals)
Class 3A — 2:07.05, Courtney Clayton, Rockton (Hononegah), 2013 (finals

A hardish practice I could beat the Girls 2A and IHSA records. Running seriously but not all out race, I would decisively set the National Girls record. Without even training for the 400, I would own the Class 2A and IHSA records (that's without blocks, I never practiced with them and hardly even ran the 400m).

What prevents an astute male who is not going to get an academic scholarship, is a good - but not superior - athlete from making the decision that senior year, he's going to "realize he's transgender", compete in the Girls division, and by virtue of smashing the state and National records gets a full ride to a D1 school? Sh1t, he could be a Bi-Transgender, still date chicks.

This just doesn't seem like a smart thing to allow, at least for males going to female sports...

 

[vi edit]

Yeah the fact that I did years of competitive sports at a high school and college level is why I'm probably pretty strongly against this. Even as someone approaching the "masters" divisions of road racing I'm still fully aware of gender differences.

From the article linked earlier there was this comment from the Mother of this student...

""I know they'll say it is unfair and not right, but my counter to that is: Why not?" her mother said. "She is competing and practicing and giving her all and performing and excelling based on her skills. Let that be enough. Let her do that, and be proud of that.""

I'm sorry but that's horseshit. Why not? Because every one of the other naturally born women on that team have been busting their asses and competing on an even field. You just gave them the finger and erased any merit and hard work they put into their training. That's why not. If in High School I had "identified" as a woman my Jr. year I would have been top 5 in the state for Cross Country. As a male I would have been around 160th place. It isn't fair. But then life isn't either.

 

[Blue_Max]

In related news (transgenders in skool) Canada has upped the ante. If the school successfully brainwashes your kid into thinking s/he is the opposite gender, the parent is now REQUIRED TO COMPLY and put the child on permanently life-altering hormone treatment or face having the child REMOVED from the home.
Yes, really. https://heatst.com/culture-wars/can...if-parents-dont-accept-their-gender-identity/

These "progressive" teachers are to blame, along with the dogma they're spreading.

 

[OutHouse]

In related news (transgenders in skool) Canada has upped the ante. If the school successfully brainwashes your kid into thinking s/he is the opposite gender, the parent is now REQUIRED TO COMPLY and put the child on permanently life-altering hormone treatment or face having the child REMOVED from the home.
Yes, really. https://heatst.com/culture-wars/can...if-parents-dont-accept-their-gender-identity/

These "progressive" teachers are to blame, along with the dogma they're spreading.

yea i just read about that.

 

[Oyeve]

In related news (transgenders in skool) Canada has upped the ante. If the school successfully brainwashes your kid into thinking s/he is the opposite gender, the parent is now REQUIRED TO COMPLY and put the child on permanently life-altering hormone treatment or face having the child REMOVED from the home.
Yes, really. https://heatst.com/culture-wars/can...if-parents-dont-accept-their-gender-identity/

These "progressive" teachers are to blame, along with the dogma they're spreading.

Wow, humanity needs to hit the reset button.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

In related news (transgenders in skool) Canada has upped the ante. If the school successfully brainwashes your kid into thinking s/he is the opposite gender, the parent is now REQUIRED TO COMPLY and put the child on permanently life-altering hormone treatment or face having the child REMOVED from the home.
Yes, really. https://heatst.com/culture-wars/can...if-parents-dont-accept-their-gender-identity/

These "progressive" teachers are to blame, along with the dogma they're spreading.

I have a real hard time taking that site seriously, considering every side-panel story has something to do with either females having sex, or naked females. It screams clickbait.

 

[snarfbot]

what about that old man who identified as a little girl, should he be able to participate in jv girls lacrosse? should we let him re enroll in middle school to experience life as a pre pubescent girl?