Trayvon Martin all over again.

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1prophet

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In Georgia apparently the only licence you require is white skin

Well good thing Zimmerman wasn't in Georgia because he definitely wouldn't qualify.



If he was crossing the border ICE would probably detain him and Trump would try to deport him regardless how much of a white privilege liberals claimed he had.
 
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eelw

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Not going to watch the video. But how can two people struggle over a shotgun while the one holding claiming it accidentally went off while it’s directly aimed at the victim?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Huh?, "made it home safe"?, says who?

The phone call with his GF as she described on the stand.

But I am not surprised. The overwhelming theme of that topic is everyone's foregone conclusion, evidence be damned.
 

pete6032

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Not going to watch the video. But how can two people struggle over a shotgun while the one holding claiming it accidentally went off while it’s directly aimed at the victim?
You don't see the actual shooting in the video, you just hear the gun shot and then you see the guy collapse.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Not going to watch the video. But how can two people struggle over a shotgun while the one holding claiming it accidentally went off while it’s directly aimed at the victim?
Remember the good ole' days before video when the word of the white man was good enough?

Now they have to make up lies and I bet the police will aid and abet. Police will start looking for any bad shit in the victims history and try to tie it to this case.
 

pauldun170

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Not going to watch the video. But how can two people struggle over a shotgun while the one holding claiming it accidentally went off while it’s directly aimed at the victim?

A runner is running on the street in the lane facing traffic(as per standard practice). Runner pace and form indicate someone who runs on a regular basis.
As he rounds the bend, a white pickup truck is stopped in the road.
A man exits the driver side and the runners switches to the right side of the road the other side of the truck.
The driver, with a shot gun crosses over to intercept him in front of the truck and a shot is heard.
During this brief second neither are seen.
Both runner and driver reappear as they struggle over the gun. Runner is shot twice during the struggle and collapses.

Narrative from me watching the video.
Black man is going for his regular run.
White men in a pick up chase him and stop in the middle of the road to block his travel.
Man with a shotgun jumps out of the vehicle.
Runner runs to the other side of the vehicle to avoid him.
As runner passes front of the vehicle, the white man charges at him with a shot gun and fires a round.
Runner instinctually tries to control the shotgun.
White man is able to fire 2 more shots, killing the runner.

Narrative for people like those on my ignore list.
The white man was attacked by the black man and had a right to defend himself. Zimmerman good. Biden bad. Lib tears and MAGA.

Narrative of the DA and police
He's black so he is probably guilty of something. Good shoot. Did you know that he was arrested on a gun charge when he was 19? Did you hear what I said? He illegally carried a gun in the state of Georgia there fore I'm going to start dropping code words like its party.
Inner city, thug gang party.

Narrative of FoxNews idiots.
What we really should be talking about is Chicago.
What are the democrats going to do about chicago.

Narrative of tactical cosplay idiots
"I can't make out that shotgun but it looks like he would have been better off with a something like a P320 and maintained better distance"
 

pauldun170

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This looks pretty straightforwardly like murder.


I disagree with this line from the article
" In the video, Arbery first goes around the vehicle to confront one of the men, and we hear a shot. "
Having watched the video, it is clear to me that Arberry goes around the video to AVOID the shooter and that the shooter then pursued Arbery across the front of the vehicle with a shotgun. I feel it is safe to assume that Arbery reacted defensively in response to an armed attacker with a long gun.

In regards to the gun charge.
It's Georgia and guns are common. At age 19 He was going to a local basketball game and a cop spotted the gun in his waistband when he tried to enter. Arbery fled and got caught.
 
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HomerJS

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"Wanda Cooper, Arbery's mother, told CNN Sunday that when police notified her of her son's death, she was told her son was involved in a burglary and that there was a confrontation between her son and the homeowner and a struggle over a gun."


so did the cops lie or were they lied to?
Article doesn't even go into why no arrest? The article does say what the law requires for a citizen arrest
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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I finally really watched the video this morning. Nice way to ruin a day.
If neither one of those men go to jail, you know you live in a racist shithole of a country.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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I finally really watched the video this morning. Nice way to ruin a day.
If neither one of those men go to jail, you know you live in a racist shithole of a country.
The fact they are not in jail now is proof we live in a racist country. Absent the video there would have not been a so called grand jury accountment.

Anyone have an example with this fact pattern where the suspects are not at least arrested and questioned?
 
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Vic

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I finally really watched the video this morning. Nice way to ruin a day.
If neither one of those men go to jail, you know you live in a racist shithole of a country.
Now that all of this has been made public, they will likely do serious time. An investigation should also be conducted regarding the initial prosecutor's refusal to bring charges and their relationship with the accused.
The video is what makes this different than the Trayvon scenario. These assholes aren't to be able to fabricate a story about how they were attempting to exit the scene like Zimmerman did.
 

Vic

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The fact they are not in jail now is proof we live in a racist country. Absent the video there would have not been a so called grand jury accountment.

Anyone have an example with this fact pattern where the suspects are not at least arrested and questioned?
I think a good deal of this is because the elder McMichael is a retired cop, who was acting as though he were still a cop, and has thus far been protected by prosecutors as though he were still a cop.
Institutional racism, that black men are routinely considered guilty until proven innocent, clearly played a large role here, I agree.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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I think a good deal of this is because the elder McMichael is a retired cop, who was acting as though he were still a cop, and has thus far been protected by prosecutors as though he were still a cop.
Institutional racism, that black men are routinely considered guilty until proven innocent, clearly played a large role here, I agree.
Blue gotta take care of the blue.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Looks like 2 guys thought they were doing the right thing in trying to help the police catch who they thought just committed a robbery. They fucked up in their decision making in confronting the person they assumed to be the robber. Video shows there was a struggle over the shotgun which went off accidentally to kill Arbery. Sad tragedy and the 2 men are definitely NOT guilt free here at all. Manslaughter or negligent homicide is definitely a real good argument to be made here. I believe these two guys should be in jail for at least negligent homicide.

This is FAR different than George Zimmerman. The media is spewing so much bullshit on this story lately that it brings out all the crazies foaming at the mouth. These two guys will serve time and justice will be served. This isn't an incident of a mob of white people stalking and hunting down a random black man to kill. That seems to be what half the media lately is trying to spew and people are eating it up.

With the George Zimmerman case, there was almost no facts initially released to the public over the investigation and the speculation on this board was horrible. Once facts came out, it was pretty obvious George Zimmerman, based on the facts of the case, was innocent and a trial born that out. We have far more facts at this point earlier in the process and the facts do not make these guys innocent at all in my eyes so far. Maybe there was something else Arbery did or said leading up to the struggle for the shotgun which changes the situation as we know it. If it does it could change the determination on if these guys are innocent or not. Right now, I'm leaning towards not, but still I know not all the facts are released yet so not jumping to a hard conclusion.

But wow, the racist bigotry I see these days against white people is insane. Despite all the claims and all the people that "want" it to be true, white people just don't commit violent hate crimes as often nor on the same scale as other races in the US. The FBI, CDC, DoJ, and all other agencies that record this data every year bear out these numbers. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but it is so rare that there are more powerball winners more often than white on another race violent hate crime being committed in the US. Now as for other races on white violent hate crimes, that is a different story. There are far more of those. The media never reports those though.

Speaking logically and with facts on these boards is like farting in the wind with all the crazy justice warriors around here these days. They don't want to know what I just typed and will attack me directly for it. Funny thing is, most won't realize that I am on the side of the black guy so far in this case being wronged and the white guys as far as I know now should be in prison for a crime. But that won't stop some people around here.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Looks like 2 guys thought they were doing the right thing in trying to help the police catch who they thought just committed a robbery. They fucked up in their decision making in confronting the person they assumed to be the robber. Video shows there was a struggle over the shotgun which went off accidentally to kill Arbery. Sad tragedy and the 2 men are definitely NOT guilt free here at all. Manslaughter or negligent homicide is definitely a real good argument to be made here. I believe these two guys should be in jail for at least negligent homicide.

This is FAR different than George Zimmerman. The media is spewing so much bullshit on this story lately that it brings out all the crazies foaming at the mouth. These two guys will serve time and justice will be served. This isn't an incident of a mob of white people stalking and hunting down a random black man to kill. That seems to be what half the media lately is trying to spew and people are eating it up.

With the George Zimmerman case, there was almost no facts initially released to the public over the investigation and the speculation on this board was horrible. Once facts came out, it was pretty obvious George Zimmerman, based on the facts of the case, was innocent and a trial born that out. We have far more facts at this point earlier in the process and the facts do not make these guys innocent at all in my eyes so far. Maybe there was something else Arbery did or said leading up to the struggle for the shotgun which changes the situation as we know it. If it does it could change the determination on if these guys are innocent or not. Right now, I'm leaning towards not, but still I know not all the facts are released yet so not jumping to a hard conclusion.

But wow, the racist bigotry I see these days against white people is insane. Despite all the claims and all the people that "want" it to be true, white people just don't commit violent hate crimes as often nor on the same scale as other races in the US. The FBI, CDC, DoJ, and all other agencies that record this data every year bear out these numbers. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but it is so rare that there are more powerball winners more often than white on another race violent hate crime being committed in the US. Now as for other races on white violent hate crimes, that is a different story. There are far more of those. The media never reports those though.

Speaking logically and with facts on these boards is like farting in the wind with all the crazy justice warriors around here these days. They don't want to know what I just typed and will attack me directly for it. Funny thing is, most won't realize that I am on the side of the black guy so far in this case being wronged and the white guys as far as I know now should be in prison for a crime. But that won't stop some people around here.
Nice WHITEWASH.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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136

Looks like 2 guys thought they were doing the right thing in trying to help the police catch who they thought just committed a robbery. They fucked up in their decision making in confronting the person they assumed to be the robber. Video shows there was a struggle over the shotgun which went off accidentally to kill Arbery. Sad tragedy and the 2 men are definitely NOT guilt free here at all. Manslaughter or negligent homicide is definitely a real good argument to be made here. I believe these two guys should be in jail for at least negligent homicide.

This is FAR different than George Zimmerman. The media is spewing so much bullshit on this story lately that it brings out all the crazies foaming at the mouth. These two guys will serve time and justice will be served. This isn't an incident of a mob of white people stalking and hunting down a random black man to kill. That seems to be what half the media lately is trying to spew and people are eating it up.

With the George Zimmerman case, there was almost no facts initially released to the public over the investigation and the speculation on this board was horrible. Once facts came out, it was pretty obvious George Zimmerman, based on the facts of the case, was innocent and a trial born that out. We have far more facts at this point earlier in the process and the facts do not make these guys innocent at all in my eyes so far. Maybe there was something else Arbery did or said leading up to the struggle for the shotgun which changes the situation as we know it. If it does it could change the determination on if these guys are innocent or not. Right now, I'm leaning towards not, but still I know not all the facts are released yet so not jumping to a hard conclusion.

But wow, the racist bigotry I see these days against white people is insane. Despite all the claims and all the people that "want" it to be true, white people just don't commit violent hate crimes as often nor on the same scale as other races in the US. The FBI, CDC, DoJ, and all other agencies that record this data every year bear out these numbers. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but it is so rare that there are more powerball winners more often than white on another race violent hate crime being committed in the US. Now as for other races on white violent hate crimes, that is a different story. There are far more of those. The media never reports those though.

Speaking logically and with facts on these boards is like farting in the wind with all the crazy justice warriors around here these days. They don't want to know what I just typed and will attack me directly for it. Funny thing is, most won't realize that I am on the side of the black guy so far in this case being wronged and the white guys as far as I know now should be in prison for a crime. But that won't stop some people around here.
Two guys sitting on their porch would not have been in position to know someone doing a steady jog down the street had "just committed a crime"

When was the last time someone running from the scene of a crime does a steady jog?

Since in your own words theys guys could be guilty of "negligent homicide" why shouldn't every armed black man in town go en mass to these guys house demand they come out to be "questioned". After all we have actual evidence these 2 guys are criminals.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Two guys sitting on their porch would not have been in position to know someone doing a steady jog down the street had "just committed a crime"

When was the last time someone running from the scene of a crime does a steady jog?

Since in your own words theys guys could be guilty of "negligent homicide" why shouldn't every armed black man in town go en mass to these guys house demand they come out to be "questioned". After all we have actual evidence these 2 guys are criminals.

Arbery matched at the time the description of the person burglarizing their neighborhood. There is no law that prevents people from confronting other people for anything. They approached Arbery to ascertain further if he was someone that was they burglar or not. Shit went wrong.

The difference in what you are saying is that these two guys are already known and questioned by the cops. Arbery hadn't been at that point in time. I don't think the two guys should have got out with guns in hand and confronted Arbery that way. While it would have been better to call cops, and follow behind to keep the cops informed of where he was going to let the cops take care of things when they got there, that isn't what happened. I don't think it is a horrible idea usually to make a friendly stop to ask someone, but there are certainly risks to the person doing so. If they are willing to accept those risks then whatever. But when you have a gun in hand, it is no longer a "friendly" stop at that point. It is now brandishing and a use of force when there was no need for such use of force at that point in time. That is where they fucked up in my opinion with the law. At least the laws in most places, and maybe where they are the laws are different to allow that. I doubt it though. There is allowed escalation of use of force for both citizens and officials. These guys didn't follow that. They came out brandishing with weapons in hand and that in most places is already against the law. When someone dies over it, that is usually negligent homicide or manslaughter (depending).

Good intentions and ignorance lead to bad outcome.
 
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