Trayvon Martin all over again.

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iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
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Has our society not collapsed beyond the reach of any one verdict?

These men are guilty, as they should be, but I feel like the raging populace is a self fueled inferno. Little bit of water poured on it will not amount to much.

Exactly. And its the worthless clickbait media and left/right wing extremists that make everything worse by inflaming passions when what we need are cool, calm heads.
You two are ignoring hundreds of years of systemic racism across our government institutions, housing markets, and financial institutions and you're saying one court's verdict has crushed society?!?! Both sides extremists?! Clickbait media?!

Wake the fuck up!
 

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Also I see people mentioning this and it's super important - the original prosecutor in this case was going to let them get away with it and tried to cover it up.

Malice murder was a surprise to me, but the guilt for all the rest was about as straightforward as you could imagine. Unfortunately, I think people are going to largely feel that justice was served and forget exactly what you highlight.
 

interchange

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Thinking about this on my way home... 20 years ago this case would not have happened. Not because of any advancement in society but because of the ubiquity of video recording. That's a very disheartening realization to me.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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You two are ignoring hundreds of years of systemic racism across our government institutions, housing markets, and financial institutions and you're saying one court's verdict has crushed society?!?! Both sides extremists?! Clickbait media?!

Wake the fuck up!

I said the nation is fucked, a raging inferno, and one correct verdict changes nothing.
Best I could tell, you are in agreement with me.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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You two are ignoring hundreds of years of systemic racism across our government institutions, housing markets, and financial institutions and you're saying one court's verdict has crushed society?!?! Both sides extremists?! Clickbait media?!

Wake the fuck up!

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Yes extremists are on the left and right and if you deny the power of clickbait media you are only kidding yourself.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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If you had to pick a side, which is more extreme?

I've heard both and they are equally bad. They do this for a profit too, its horrible.

They have gotten so successful at monetizing hate, the late night comedians are into it big time.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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So you’re saying the side that tried a coup is the same as the side that didn’t?

That wacko thinks he is a moderate conservative and Greg Abbott should be president. How these loons can reconcile those two things is as sick as a Q anon conspiracy theorist.

He has as much cognitive dissonance as any crazy Trumper, it's a shame to decency to entertain his madness. It's sociopathic.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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So you’re saying the side that tried a coup is the same as the side that didn’t?

Some might say that multiple attempts to remove the last president were all coup attempts, especially the Steele dossier and the "Russia Collusion Hoax" which was widely deemed as a "nothing burger".

I think its time we all settled down and stick with the democratic process.
 
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HumblePie

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Oct 30, 2000
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Humble Pie level legal beagle...?

WTF you talking about? I called that these two were guilty from the get go from my gut feeling but that was without all the facts of the case that we saw in court. There were circumstances which they could have been "legal" in their actions, but they instead testified that they weren't trying to do a citizen's arrest for something they though he did right then as he was running away but for something 2 weeks prior and that they also pointed their gun first in an attempt to stop Ahmaud. It was straight up idiotic for them to do that. You can only do a citizen's arrest if it is something that literally just happened and not for something that happened previous as the authority to do the arrest for a citizen extinguishes. Those clowns were trying to arrest Ahmaud for what they thought was an an attempted burglary two weeks prior to the shoot is what they said. They don't know if he had already been arrest, and was let go by then. That's why the authority extinguishing for citizens.

My whole thing was that I didn't believe there was a racial aspect to this. Still don't. That wasn't proven at all in court. I also wasn't just drinking the media koolaid about Ahmaud being out for a jog to be chased and gun down by white supremacists. That narrative was just media fearmongering.
 
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HumblePie

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Malice murder was a surprise to me, but the guilt for all the rest was about as straightforward as you could imagine. Unfortunately, I think people are going to largely feel that justice was served and forget exactly what you highlight.

Yah, that is one that I didn't think was proven at all. Prosecution basically trying to claim the mere fact he went to get a gun for the citizens arrest proves malice. I don't agree. There was nothing else the prosecution had to prove that. At a minimum I see that charge being overturned on appeal. Other than that, basically I am fine with the verdicts for the rest.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Some might say that multiple attempts to remove the last president were all coup attempts, especially the Steele dossier and the "Russia Collusion Hoax" which was widely deemed as a "nothing burger".
and some might say you're full of shit. in fact, a lot of people would say that. would republicans have impeached obama for the same things as trump? you bet your ass they would have - and democrats would have joined them.
why? because trump's behavior went against everything the office of the president is supposed to stand for.

hell, just look at the impeachment of andrew cuomo as an example. multiple allegations of sexual assault. removed from office by his own party. trump? admitted to sexual assault on tape. and what did republicans do? embrace him and crown him a metaphorical king.
 
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himkhan

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and some might say you're full of shit. in fact, a lot of people would say that. would republicans have impeached obama for the same things as trump? you bet your ass they would have - and democrats would have joined them.
why? because trump's behavior went against everything the office of the president is supposed to stand for.

hell, just look at the impeachment of andrew cuomo as an example. multiple allegations of sexual assault. removed from office by his own party. trump? admitted to sexual assault on tape. and what did republicans do? embrace him and crown him a metaphorical king.

Please tell me you aren't wasting keystrokes on the "Felix" account. It's the same as wasting time on "Greenman" account. They are both marionettes.
 
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Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Some might say that multiple attempts to remove the last president were all coup attempts, especially the Steele dossier and the "Russia Collusion Hoax" which was widely deemed as a "nothing burger".

I think its time we all settled down and stick with the democratic process.

The impeachment process enshrined in the Constitution IS part of our legal democratic process. Storming the Capitol is not. Only dishonest people would consider the two to be comparable.

Oh, and what did Manafort have to be pardoned for again?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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If you had to pick a side, which is more extreme?

Like choosing between two flavors of !@#$.

Psychopaths wanting a military coup to keep Orange in office.
VS Race baiting hatemongers who want to lynch anyone not goosestepping to their beat.

To be fair, the last line likely does apply to both of them. And the first line is the worst action(s) done thus far. But it will escalate. Both will wage war and elements of, if not a sizeable portion of each body, will commit atrocities in the name of fighting the good fight. Because to each, the other side is an evil that must be expunged from this earth. It is a call to war and both want it.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Like choosing between two flavors of !@#$.

Psychopaths wanting a military coup to keep Orange in office.
VS Race baiting hatemongers who want to lynch anyone not goosestepping to their beat.

To be fair, the last line likely does apply to both of them. And the first line is the worst action(s) done thus far. But it will escalate. Both will wage war and elements of, if not a sizeable portion of each body, will commit atrocities in the name of fighting the good fight. Because to each, the other side is an evil that must be expunged from this earth. It is a call to war and both want it.
They are not the same and if you think they are you’re going to be very sad a few years from now.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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WTF you talking about? I called that these two were guilty from the get go from my gut feeling but that was without all the facts of the case that we saw in court. There were circumstances which they could have been "legal" in their actions, but they instead testified that they weren't trying to do a citizen's arrest for something they though he did right then as he was running away but for something 2 weeks prior and that they also pointed their gun first in an attempt to stop Ahmaud. It was straight up idiotic for them to do that. You can only do a citizen's arrest if it is something that literally just happened and not for something that happened previous as the authority to do the arrest for a citizen extinguishes. Those clowns were trying to arrest Ahmaud for what they thought was an an attempted burglary two weeks prior to the shoot is what they said. They don't know if he had already been arrest, and was let go by then. That's why the authority extinguishing for citizens.

My whole thing was that I didn't believe there was a racial aspect to this. Still don't. That wasn't proven at all in court. I also wasn't just drinking the media koolaid about Ahmaud being out for a jog to be chased and gun down by white supremacists. That narrative was just media fearmongering.
So them calling 911 and when asked of the emergency it was " a black man just ran past the house!" is not a "racial aspect" to you?, do you REALLY THINK if Aubury was white they'd give a shit?.
 
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himkhan

Senior member
Jul 13, 2013
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Like choosing between two flavors of !@#$.

Psychopaths wanting a military coup to keep Orange in office.
VS Race baiting hatemongers who want to lynch anyone not goosestepping to their beat.

To be fair, the last line likely does apply to both of them. And the first line is the worst action(s) done thus far. But it will escalate. Both will wage war and elements of, if not a sizeable portion of each body, will commit atrocities in the name of fighting the good fight. Because to each, the other side is an evil that must be expunged from this earth. It is a call to war and both want it.

Do you consider yourself a fish? Because you have to allow yourself to be racebaited. The only people I want treated no better or no worse than we used to treat traitors are those involved in the violent overtake of our peaceful transfer of power. Be that Joe Public or any (R) or (D) or LEO that helped.

And there wouldn't NEED to be a war if people were held accountable for their crimes. The war won't be one between R and D's. No. R's and D's will tire of being pawns of the rich who don't have to play by the same rules nor get punished the same when they do something wrong. They want us at each other's throats. I hope that is obvious.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Yah, that is one that I didn't think was proven at all. Prosecution basically trying to claim the mere fact he went to get a gun for the citizens arrest proves malice. I don't agree. There was nothing else the prosecution had to prove that. At a minimum I see that charge being overturned on appeal. Other than that, basically I am fine with the verdicts for the rest.

Is that your law degree talking?
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
21,860
20,184
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Like choosing between two flavors of !@#$.

Psychopaths wanting a military coup to keep Orange in office.
VS Race baiting hatemongers who want to lynch anyone not goosestepping to their beat.

To be fair, the last line likely does apply to both of them. And the first line is the worst action(s) done thus far. But it will escalate. Both will wage war and elements of, if not a sizeable portion of each body, will commit atrocities in the name of fighting the good fight. Because to each, the other side is an evil that must be expunged from this earth. It is a call to war and both want it.

The party of Mexicans are mostly rapists and criminals, asylum seekers are subhuman (separate children from parents as policy), BLM is a symbol of hate (both said by Trump their cult leader) and the party of white grievance that FLIES THE FUCKING RACIST WHITE SUPREMACIST CONFEDERATE FLAG is actually by far the bigger party of race baiting. By a loooooooooooong fucking mile.

You are a very confused individual.
 
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