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BaliBabyDoc

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You win the prize, charrison, that's one of the most disingeuous postings I've ever seen.

Lincoln certainly ushered in the correction of the foul stench of slavery and of course most early voting blacks voted Republican and were elected as Republicans. But the 1960s GOP was not the party of Lincoln . . . unless of course Lincoln would have celebrated Jefferson Davis. Southern whites from all political stripes systematically denied the right to vote to blacks and b/c blacks were disproportionately Republican the GOP was decimated in the South. Accordingly, Helms, Gramm, Dole, Thurmond, Hollings, and Lott's racist mentor (Colmer?) were ALL Democrats b/c it was essentially the only party in the South. And if you were not registered as a Democrat you did NOT get to vote.

The legislative forebearers to the most identifiable opponents to civil rights legislation (1960s Republicans) were Democrats when Lincoln was alive and continued to be Democrats through the first half of the 20th century. It was indeed Truman (Democrat) who set the stage for Thurmond (Democrat) to leave the party and take his racist buddies with him to the REPUBLICAN party.

As for the 3/5ths clause, your author is definitely distorting history. The racist South wanted representation for people that it didn't even consider worthy of basic human rights. The racist North (and abolitionists) did not want to empower the South. To contend the 3/5ths clause is anti-abolition is ridiculous. The majority which agreed to the 3/5ths clause did not grant any rights to blacks and it certainly was not substantiation of the MORAL opposition to the practice.

Most people are ignorant of our history as a nation. They don't understand that Abe to Teddy to the Gipper is not a distinct family tree of GOP leaders. The party of Lincoln has nothing in common with the GOP of the civil rights era. Teddy left the GOP to create the Bull Moose. Reagan (while not a racist by Southern GOP standards) does represent the modern ideology of the GOP when it comes to civil rights; ie not a strong supporter.

If I didn't know any better I might be convinced by the dribble you provided. Regardless, I've saved it to my desktop and will share it with my friends . . . they need a good laugh. Yet, it is disappointing that people in the name of partisanship would distort our nation's history to fit their ideology. I had no qualms about being a young Republican b/c I knew 19th century history well. As I've come to understand 20th century history and the ugliness embodied by Southern Republicans (who used to be Democrats) it is easy to reject the GOP as long as the strenghth of the party remains in the South.


 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn

GIVE ME A FUGGIN BREAK!!!!! Trent Lott is the one that agreed to the interview. He's the one that
pushed for the interview on BET. He essentially signed his own death warrant by doing so. If you had seen
his comments, you would have been shaking your head at him.

This is my first time watching BET in about 5 years (I too find their slant to be so blatantly obvious), but
I can't fault them for accepting an interview with Trent Lott. Although I'm not watching, it is rather humerous that a channel that is only on the air because it cries racism everytime it's ratings say it should be gone and the comedy broadcast on BET are as racist as anything I've ever heard, has the gaul to grill Lott about a statement taken out of context.:|
Thank You Tom Lott! Ahahaha

I don't recall Jesse even apologizing to the Jewish people or New Yorkers when he referred to the Big Apple as Heimy /sp? town. Least Lott is man enough to apologize for something taken out of context...not like the Reverends intentional slur.
 

Dari

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Nitemare, Jesse Jackson is not an elected leader. He's not accountable to anyone. That said, I'm sure he apologized. As for Lott, look at his voting records, personal and political history, and tell me he's not a racist. He's also an elected leader, so he owes the populace an explanation.
 

Miramonti

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Wow Bush is a flake...is more worried about the risk of losing votes than supporting one of his strong supporters. Not that more proof is needed that he's a heartless woose.
 

slag

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Hmm, just turned on BET (ICK), and no Trent Lott.

This thread title is misleading.

Please change it.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I don't recall Jesse even apologizing to the Jewish people or New Yorkers when he referred to the Big Apple as Heimy /sp? town. Least Lott is man enough to apologize for something taken out of context...not like the Reverends intentional slur.

Lott definitely has cajones. Jackson and Sharpton are poor excuses for religious leaders. Granted, they've got great company with Swaggert, Robertson, and Falwell.

I'm not sure what the difference is between being so out of touch (from Mississippi) that you don't understand a racially tinged remark versus intentionally disrespecting people. If Lott was from Alaska and said something like "you know I always hear that black people don't like the cold but there's a whole bunch of brown Eskimos up here" . . . that crap would be funny. And if Sharpton or Jackson began ranting about racist comments THEY would be ridiculed not him . . . OK I would still call Lott an idiot but at least he would be an entertaining idiot.

He would still be out of touch . . . there aren't any Eskimos in Alaska most prefer Inuit . . . and stereotypying. But it would blow over in no time. Lott's difficulty is he said something (even out of context) that was interesting. And it prompted people to look back at his record. A record that he is now on record as saying is poor on issues of civil rights and he's committed to changing. I say forgive but don't forget.

The GOP better get him out quickly b/c he might call for DC statehood.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Oh yeah, Franklin Graham sux, too. And his daddy . . . if you care about defamation of Jews.

Jackson and Sharpton maybe (nevermind they are) are defaming pricks but at least they aren't out to convert Jews to Christianity. Now that's an insult.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
I don't recall Jesse even apologizing to the Jewish people or New Yorkers when he referred to the Big Apple as Heimy /sp? town. Least Lott is man enough to apologize for something taken out of context...not like the Reverends intentional slur.

More attempted diversion to try and skirt the issue. What does Jesse have to do with this?

Lott is now on record as saying his voting record is extremely poor on black rights and even admitted to excluding blacks from his fraternity.

 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Dari
Nitemare, Jesse Jackson is not an elected leader. He's not accountable to anyone. That said, I'm sure he apologized. As for Lott, look at his voting records, personal and political history, and tell me he's not a racist. He's also an elected leader, so he owes the populace an explanation.

and nor will Jesse ever be elected...
Lott might be a closet racist, but we all know Jesse and Al are quite public in their contempt for everything non-black.

Lott was stupid for saying it, yes.
Democrats were even more stupid by tring to ouster a man because of something he said 20 years ago.
Everyone else is the most stupid for being a sheep following someone because of their political offiliations

An African American will make it in to the whitehouse, perhaps as soon as 2008 and it sure won't be an African American whose only claim to fame is being buddies with a great man, MLK. What kind of Reverend would take money from a charity for the advancement of his own minority race and pay for his bastard children? Sharpton while not as bad as Jesse, at least he tends to practice what he preaches. What has either of them done lately that has advanced or help the African American peoples as a whole? They promote discord, bitterness and hate...

Jackson and Sharpton will never be elected to any office in a state in which I reside because the majority of people I live look at issues, not solely on race or political offiliation, before they vote.

something i found:
"When Dick Armey called Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank
"Barney i love you," the media had a field day. An apology promptly followed.
And, following a victory, black former California Assembly Speaker Willie
Brown said, "Those white boys got taken, fair and square." No apology
demanded, none followed. When Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as "Hymies"
and New York as "Hymie-town," he first denied the remark. When
Washington Post reporter Milton Coleman insisted Jackson made the
remark, however, the reverend finally owned up to the slur. But Jackson
called it an "error," and said, "Charge it to my head ... not to my heart." Now
it is seldom mentioned.

New York's Rev. Al Sharpton called Jews "diamond merchants," and spoke
of "white interlopers" who, he felt, did not belong in the minority
community. Again, no problem. Indeed, presidential contenders Al Gore
and Bill Bradley, during the Harlem presidential debate, showered praise on
Sharpton, noting how much the reverend had "grown." Never mind that
Sharpton falsely accused former Dutchess County, N.Y., Assistant State
Attorney General Steven Pagones of raping Tawana Brawley. Pagones,
along with his daughter, received death threats following Sharpton's
accusation. When Pagones claimed innocence, Sharpton challenged
Pagones to sue for defamation. Pagones did, and won. Sharpton refuses to
pay one dime, apparently transferring his assets into his wife's name. As for
an apology, fuggedaboudit.

compliments: link
 

xuanman

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Wow Bush is a flake...is more worried about the risk of losing votes than supporting one of his strong supporters. Not that more proof is needed that he's a heartless woose.

trent lott is not one of bush's strong supporters...they privately detest each other, and bush wants a majority leader who will be more of his lapdog for his policies.... bush is playing the political game superbly, letting trent lott wilt under this attention.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Dari
Nitemare, Jesse Jackson is not an elected leader. He's not accountable to anyone. That said, I'm sure he apologized. As for Lott, look at his voting records, personal and political history, and tell me he's not a racist. He's also an elected leader, so he owes the populace an explanation.

and nor will Jesse ever be elected...
Lott might be a closet racist, but we all know Jesse and Al are quite public in their contempt for everything non-black.

Lott was stupid for saying it, yes.
Democrats were even more stupid by tring to ouster a man because of something he said 20 years ago.
Everyone else is the most stupid for being a sheep following someone because of their political offiliations

An African American will make it in to the whitehouse, perhaps as soon as 2008 and it sure won't be an African American whose only claim to fame is being buddies with a great man, MLK. What kind of Reverend would take money from a charity for the advancement of his own minority race and pay for his bastard children? Sharpton while not as bad as Jesse, at least he tends to practice what he preaches. What has either of them done lately that has advanced or help the African American peoples as a whole? They promote discord, bitterness and hate...

Jackson and Sharpton will never be elected to any office in a state in which I reside because the majority of people I live look at issues, not solely on race or political offiliation, before they vote.

something i found:
"When Dick Armey called Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank
"Barney i love you," the media had a field day. An apology promptly followed.
And, following a victory, black former California Assembly Speaker Willie
Brown said, "Those white boys got taken, fair and square." No apology
demanded, none followed. When Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as "Hymies"
and New York as "Hymie-town," he first denied the remark. When
Washington Post reporter Milton Coleman insisted Jackson made the
remark, however, the reverend finally owned up to the slur. But Jackson
called it an "error," and said, "Charge it to my head ... not to my heart." Now
it is seldom mentioned.

New York's Rev. Al Sharpton called Jews "diamond merchants," and spoke
of "white interlopers" who, he felt, did not belong in the minority
community. Again, no problem. Indeed, presidential contenders Al Gore
and Bill Bradley, during the Harlem presidential debate, showered praise on
Sharpton, noting how much the reverend had "grown." Never mind that
Sharpton falsely accused former Dutchess County, N.Y., Assistant State
Attorney General Steven Pagones of raping Tawana Brawley. Pagones,
along with his daughter, received death threats following Sharpton's
accusation. When Pagones claimed innocence, Sharpton challenged
Pagones to sue for defamation. Pagones did, and won. Sharpton refuses to
pay one dime, apparently transferring his assets into his wife's name. As for
an apology, fuggedaboudit.

compliments: link

So your going to stick with the diversions eh? No sense in just sticking to the topic.

 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Dari
Nitemare, Jesse Jackson is not an elected leader. He's not accountable to anyone. That said, I'm sure he apologized. As for Lott, look at his voting records, personal and political history, and tell me he's not a racist. He's also an elected leader, so he owes the populace an explanation.

and nor will Jesse ever be elected...
Lott might be a closet racist, but we all know Jesse and Al are quite public in their contempt for everything non-black.

Lott was stupid for saying it, yes.
Democrats were even more stupid by tring to ouster a man because of something he said 20 years ago.
Everyone else is the most stupid for being a sheep following someone because of their political offiliations

An African American will make it in to the whitehouse, perhaps as soon as 2008 and it sure won't be an African American whose only claim to fame is being buddies with a great man, MLK. What kind of Reverend would take money from a charity for the advancement of his own minority race and pay for his bastard children? Sharpton while not as bad as Jesse, at least he tends to practice what he preaches. What has either of them done lately that has advanced or help the African American peoples as a whole? They promote discord, bitterness and hate...

Jackson and Sharpton will never be elected to any office in a state in which I reside because the majority of people I live look at issues, not solely on race or political offiliation, before they vote.

something i found:
"When Dick Armey called Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank
"Barney i love you," the media had a field day. An apology promptly followed.
And, following a victory, black former California Assembly Speaker Willie
Brown said, "Those white boys got taken, fair and square." No apology
demanded, none followed. When Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as "Hymies"
and New York as "Hymie-town," he first denied the remark. When
Washington Post reporter Milton Coleman insisted Jackson made the
remark, however, the reverend finally owned up to the slur. But Jackson
called it an "error," and said, "Charge it to my head ... not to my heart." Now
it is seldom mentioned.

New York's Rev. Al Sharpton called Jews "diamond merchants," and spoke
of "white interlopers" who, he felt, did not belong in the minority
community. Again, no problem. Indeed, presidential contenders Al Gore
and Bill Bradley, during the Harlem presidential debate, showered praise on
Sharpton, noting how much the reverend had "grown." Never mind that
Sharpton falsely accused former Dutchess County, N.Y., Assistant State
Attorney General Steven Pagones of raping Tawana Brawley. Pagones,
along with his daughter, received death threats following Sharpton's
accusation. When Pagones claimed innocence, Sharpton challenged
Pagones to sue for defamation. Pagones did, and won. Sharpton refuses to
pay one dime, apparently transferring his assets into his wife's name. As for
an apology, fuggedaboudit.

compliments: link

So your going to stick with the diversions eh? No sense in just sticking to the topic.


Already said Lott's remarks were stupid. did not hear him say anything near as bad as some people though, see above. David Duke and Robert Byrd are ten times more racist than Lott is....maybe even as racist as Sharpton and Jackson. Lott is an elected official and should know better. Sharpton and Jackson are unelected icons that have become figureheads to all African Americans across the US...like it or not they are considered by most to be the spokesman of African Americans.

Then again I don't see an old membership card to the KKK in Lott's wallet either. How can an African American democrat possibly vote for someone, Byrd, who was a former white supremacist? Lott is probably not the most African American friendly member of the Senate, but at least he isn't Anti-Semitic or a member of an organization that burns Black Churches down in Mississippi either.

I've discussed Lott, now you discuss Jackson and Sharpton..what makes them so great and wonderful that their words carry so much weight?

"And when this happens, when we let freedom
ring, when we let it ring from every tenement and
every hamlet, from every state and every city, we
will be able to speed up that day when all of God's
children, black men and white men, Jews and
Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to
join hands and sing in the words of the old spiritual,
"Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, we
are free at last."

did not mention diamond smuggler, hymie or <insert your jewish slang term here>

as I said before Jesse is only who he is because he walked in the shadow of a great man....
 

BaliBabyDoc

Lifer
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And, following a victory, black former California Assembly Speaker Willie
Brown said, "Those white boys got taken, fair and square." No apology
demanded, none followed.
Willie Brown (Democrat) managed to maintain control of the Assembly after a Republican majority was elected. The former now former again mayor of SF has never been a racist and his comment was not racist . . . now he is a partisan, opportunistic, corrupt political hack . . . but he's no racist. If any man believes more in the equality of the rainbow . . . particularly females . . . it's King Willie. I excuse your faux pas. I'm sure you just copied a list you found on the Web somewhere but next time investigate instead just repeating random blather.

Now the rest of your references . . . a bunch of racist pigs (or at least their statements). Well except for Dick Armey . . . homophobe. I'm sure he will tell you to this day that gays and lesbians are an abomination before God and will burn in Hell. Granted, he would probably say it off the record.

And Hilary's alleged comment. Let's see. An unnamed source quoted in an unauthorized biography is proof of a media double standard. Larry Elder does much better work . . . he must have been pressured by a deadline to print that crap. I don't know if Hilary loves Jews like I love Jews but she definitely panders to Jews. Nothing wrong at all with pandering; if it wasn't for pandering politicians might spend more time legislating and that's bad news for everybody.
Everyone else is the most stupid for being a sheep following someone because of their political offiliations
So when Bush and his minions lapped the country bleeping about "elect Republicans" "we need Republicans" he was just a blooming idiot, huh.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

So when Bush and his minions lapped the country bleeping about "elect Republicans" "we need Republicans" he was just a blooming idiot, huh.

And you really think the Democrats care about you. The only reason why they are making a big stink out of this is because they want to portray all Republicans as racist so they can capture more votes. They care nothing about you nor I. I vote Republican mostly because I am anti-big government, strong military, anti-political correctness and pro-welfare reform. I could give a crap about most of the other agendas on their plate. You did not address the remarks that Sharpton And Jackson made....this was my primary reason for posting that quote.

Why are you a democrat if I may ask?
 

classy

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How does this become a republican vs democrat debate. This about an elected official who for more than 40 years has endorsed racism, supported opposition to any type of equality legislation, and twice has said it would have been better for the country if a racist had won the 1948 election. For all the republicans pointing to others is sad. Its not about anyone else except Trent Lott. Plain and simple.
 

Miramonti

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There's a new video on msnbc.com from a few years ago that has Lott claiming Thurmond should have been president when he ran. Nail in the coffin.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: classy
How does this become a republican vs democrat debate. This about an elected official who for more than 40 years has endorsed racism, supported opposition to any type of equality legislation, and twice has said it would have been better for the country if a racist had won the 1948 election. For all the republicans pointing to others is sad. Its not about anyone else except Trent Lott. Plain and simple.

Aren't you the monobrowed idiot who said there was a lot of Republican racists? 10 for every one Dem. or some other highly intelligent little gem? I think it is clear who is trying to make this a Repub vs. Dem debate.

 

BaliBabyDoc

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I'm not sure how many posts you've read of mine but what makes you think I'm a Democrat? I first registered as a Republican. I switched to independent in the late 90s. Unlike my former Republican brethren that left the jackass to play in elephant poop, I didn't trade the stench of the GOP for some other foul drivel. Of course when I'm in NorCal I'm Republican, VT, NH, and ME. But in the South I'm a man without a home.

I vote Republican mostly because I am anti-big government, strong military, anti-political correctness and pro-welfare reform.
Dude, the GOP from 2000-2004 will be marked as one of the largest expansions in federal spending and deficits in the modern era. I'm against the John McCain version of welfare which is all wasteful spending. The rest of the GOP is doing just what the Dems did; spend our money on pork for their districts. They don't run on limiting wasteful spending (although they accuse their opponents of being in favor of wasteful spending). They run ads talking about all the great things they've done for the voters . . . funny how none of that crap was free the money must have just fallen out of the sky.

What the hell is political correctness? I remember Bill Maher's show that got cancelled. I forget what was the reason . . . oh yeah, he wasn't politically incorrect.

Oh yeah, sheep bleat not bleep. You see one dose of BET ruins the mind.
 

xuanman

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

So when Bush and his minions lapped the country bleeping about "elect Republicans" "we need Republicans" he was just a blooming idiot, huh.

And you really think the Democrats care about you. The only reason why they are making a big stink out of this is because they want to portray all Republicans as racist so they can capture more votes. They care nothing about you nor I. I vote Republican mostly because I am anti-big government, strong military, anti-political correctness and pro-welfare reform. I could give a crap about most of the other agendas on their plate. You did not address the remarks that Sharpton And Jackson made....this was my primary reason for posting that quote.

Why are you a democrat if I may ask?

i'm not sure what you are saying. are you anti-big govt and anti-strong military OR anti-big govt and Pro-Strong military b/c if it's the latter, you probably need to redefine what you consider to be government.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: classy
How does this become a republican vs democrat debate. This about an elected official who for more than 40 years has endorsed racism, supported opposition to any type of equality legislation, and twice has said it would have been better for the country if a racist had won the 1948 election. For all the republicans pointing to others is sad. Its not about anyone else except Trent Lott. Plain and simple.

Aren't you the monobrowed idiot who said there was a lot of Republican racists? 10 for every one Dem. or some other highly intelligent little gem? I think it is clear who is trying to make this a Repub vs. Dem debate.
I think the ratio would be 10 to 1 when it comes to Ultra Conservative vs Moderate or Liberal. Of course the Liberals have their own set of repugnant falts

 

BaliBabyDoc

Lifer
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You did not address the remarks that Sharpton And Jackson made....this was my primary reason for posting that quote.

Yes, I did I called them racist pigs (at the very least racist pig statements). You just happened to reference Willie Brown someone I know all too well. And by the reference it was clear you did not know what you were talking about. Willie Brown loves white people particularly white women. The only people he loves more than white women are Asian women. When he said he beat those white boys fair and square he was describing the Republican Party which at the time was pretty damn white. I'm not implying Willie is the most sensitive of politicians on race but he would kiss a transexual homosexual Eurasian midget with two teeth and a mustache if they had money or registered to vote.

Jackson and Sharpton have touched greatness, MLK. But they have never been great themselves. They value self aggrandizement above all else. They are a stain on the Democratic Party, black Americans, and anyone that feels guided by their religious/spiritual sense of morality and goodwill towards all people.

Call me a Democrat . . . those are fighting words . . . do it again and I will kick your . . .

Now I am a Pacifist . . .
 

CantedValve

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Originally posted by: classy
How does this become a republican vs democrat debate. This about an elected official who for more than 40 years has endorsed racism, supported opposition to any type of equality legislation, and twice has said it would have been better for the country if a racist had won the 1948 election. For all the republicans pointing to others is sad. Its not about anyone else except Trent Lott. Plain and simple.
It is VERY much a Republican vs. Democrat debate. The only reason Lott is being skewered is because of his party affiliation. Period. Liberals are given passes on even dumber comments, actions, and the like. Byrd, Jackson, Sharpton... 3 prominent figureheads of racism... hell I remember a "Politically Incorrect" episode where "whitey" was every other word outta Sharpton's mouth... but that is okay, since his people are "opressed."

Gimme a fvcking break.
 

CantedValve

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: classy
How does this become a republican vs democrat debate. This about an elected official who for more than 40 years has endorsed racism, supported opposition to any type of equality legislation, and twice has said it would have been better for the country if a racist had won the 1948 election. For all the republicans pointing to others is sad. Its not about anyone else except Trent Lott. Plain and simple.

Aren't you the monobrowed idiot who said there was a lot of Republican racists? 10 for every one Dem. or some other highly intelligent little gem? I think it is clear who is trying to make this a Repub vs. Dem debate.
I think the ratio would be 10 to 1 when it comes to Ultra Conservative vs Moderate or Liberal. Of course the Liberals have their own set of repugnant falts

there are 10 ultra conservatives for every 1 liberal/moderate? Boy dont I wish THAT were true. Not that I am a fan of ultra conservative, but ANYTHING conservative is better (IMHO) than appeasers or liberals.
 
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