Question Trifecta - new CPU, RAM, and mobo - is this a good set?

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MrSquished

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I had too much paste on there. I could probably check it again and see if I took enough off, but temps went down a bit.

I did a mild oc, the chip is running at 5 and the ram is now at it's natural 6000. There are not enough videos of this particular mobo OC walkthroughs. I found one that was very close, but there were differences in the BIOS, I am upgraded to F4. Also there are two conflicting camps it seems, one that says turn off Precision Boost Overclocking feature and one that says keep it on.
 
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I did a mild oc, the chip is running at 5 and the ram is now at it's natural 6000.
That sounds good enough. Try getting the RAM running at CL28. As for PBO, it will probably result in an extra 4 to 7% performance boost if it's perfectly stable. I would enable it but then I don't do anything too critical on my gaming machines. If you value stability, leave PBO off.
 

Zeze

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Hi there, fellow traveler.
  • Be sure to frequently update the motherboard BIOS for the latest AGESA version for maximum EXPO compatibility. DDR5 is still 'new' in the sense that every mobo BIOS firmware upgrade makes a difference towards stability. I had your mobo (before I had issues with the specific unit) and they were releasing a BIOS update every 30-45 days. Same for my current mobo (MSI) which released an update few weeks ago.
  • When you're up for it, try to undervolt your CPU (Curve Optimizer). Undervolting is all the rage since OCing is already automatically done by all CPUs/GPUs today. If you undervolt all cores by -10/-15/-20, you can squeeze extra performance (cooler = better thermals = better OC). Go to mobo BIOS -> PBO manual -> CO undervolt factor. Stress test with OCCT and Cinebench.
  • Set up a nice quiet fan curve using Fan Control. My PC is dead silent, but as summer is approaching, man this machine heats up the room. I used to idle at 38C with the undervolting just last month. Today it's idle at 42-43C due to higher ambient temp.
  • Disable fast boot for a true restart.
  • You can also OC or undervolt GPUs... I think modern GPUs are so precisely binned, I was able to only get +3%~ boost before crashing. (+220 mhz core / +800 mem).
Congrats and have fun!
 
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Zeze

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That sounds good enough. Try getting the RAM running at CL28. As for PBO, it will probably result in an extra 4 to 7% performance boost if it's perfectly stable. I would enable it but then I don't do anything too critical on my gaming machines. If you value stability, leave PBO off.
Extra 4-7% from squeezing RAM timing sounds very optimistic. I think going turning on the entire XMP improves about about 4-5% (4800mhz -> 6000 mhz)

From my experience and what I've read, I went from 6000 cl36 to 6000 cl30 in timing which is about 2% gain in FPS lows.
 
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Extra 4-7% from squeezing RAM timing sounds very optimistic.
I meant the curve optimizer.

Regarding RAM, optimizing the subtimings according to Buildzoid guide nets a better improvement with Ryzens.

He also did CL24 @ 6000 MT/s:
 
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Zeze

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I'm getting PTSD flashbacks about boot hanging. I'm not touching RAM again as long as the advertised EXPO works.

I developed some trauma just getting the default Expo to work.

But I think AGESA has matured by now. Best of luck to OP!
 
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I'm getting PTSD flashbacks about boot hanging. I'm not touching RAM again as long as the advertised EXPO works.
Yeah I had some seriously heart pounding misadventures too where I was left wondering at the blank screen if my PC was ever gonna boot again but the worst was I had to unplug the PSU for a while and then the UEFI recovered and showed a message saying boot failed. Other than that, it was more time-consuming than causing some kind of damage to PC. I recently learned that it's far easier to just select the desired CAS latency and let everything else be on AUTO and the mobo will try its best to configure the rest. Got down to DDR5-6000 CL28 on my 12700K this way, with a Teamgroup DDR5-7600 CL34 kit (it was almost stable at CL34 7000 but FFXV benchmark kept getting kicked back to desktop or crashing silently due to some instability so gave up on that).
 

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Hi you're telling me 6000 cl28 is faster than 7600 cl34? By how much in games?
 
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Hi you're telling me 6000 cl28 is faster than 7600 cl34? By how much in games?
I'll check the screenshots when I get home to answer that.

Though I was never able to run at 7600. Max I got was 7000 so that's the comparison I can show.
 

MrSquished

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This chip runs hot! I reset the heatsink, and I also replaced the stock Thermaltake fans on the heatsink with two Noctua NF-F12 fans, their best fans for radiator usage vs for case fan usage.

In a 74 degree home I'm idling at 51c. Running stress tests with Cinebench on all cores or with the Ryzen Master stress test which just pegs every core at 100%, I basically run at 83-85. I also undervolted a bit. I have the Thermaltake Phantom Spirit 120 Evo, which everyone said is one of the best coolers out now. Competes with the top end Noctuas.

Ram is oc'd to 6000, chip goes up to 4850 but average around 47 something.
 
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MrSquished

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Isn't that kind of high for idle for a 7800x3D? Something something sounds off.

I have a Fractal Define R5 mid-tower case, the mobo is mini-ATX so lots of extra space, and there is tons of airflow, as that case has good wiring so most wires are tucked away or behind the mobo.

I have the cooler I mentioned and the upgraded fans. Used Arctis MX-4 and tried it with different amounts and this is the best I can do, using the rice grain method. I have messed around with the fan speeds on the intake fans and exhaust fans, and also tried stock fan settings. This is the best this chip does or I'm missing something. People online do say they can run hot. Under true 100% load they basically don't go above 85 which seems to be solid. But I dunno. I'm not used to a 51 idle.

Ambient temps are 74-75 degrees at the moment.
 
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I have a Fractal Define R5 mid-tower case, the mobo is mini-ATX so lots of extra space, and there is tons of airflow, as that case has good wiring so most wires are tucked away or behind the mobo.

I have the cooler I mentioned and the upgraded fans. Used Arctis MX-4 and tried it with different amounts and this is the best I can do, using the rice grain method. I have messed around with the fan speeds on the intake fans and exhaust fans, and also tried stock fan settings. This is the best this chip does or I'm missing something. People online do say they can run hot. Under true 100% load they basically don't go above 85 which seems to be solid. But I dunno. I'm not used to a 51 idle.

Ambient temps are 74-75 degrees at the moment.
How many case fans do you have installed? Maybe they don't have an optimal arrangement. I see the R5 has the possibility for front hard drive cages that could impede fresh air intake from the front, and the front panel isn't much better, being mostly solid with tiny vents on the side to provide that fresh airflow. Thus, the air going predominantly into your cooler would be the warmed, GPU exhaust air.

I would consider having fans in the two red spots, and then maybe a fan at one of the green spots. The red fans will give fresh air to your CPU cooler and help exhaust it out of the case.

 

MrSquished

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How many case fans do you have installed? Maybe they don't have an optimal arrangement. I see the R5 has the possibility for front hard drive cages that could impede fresh air intake from the front, and the front panel isn't much better, being mostly solid with tiny vents on the side to provide that fresh airflow. Thus, the air going predominantly into your cooler would be the warmed, GPU exhaust air.

I would consider having fans in the two red spots, and then maybe a fan at one of the green spots. The red fans will give fresh air to your CPU cooler and help exhaust it out of the case.

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I have two in the front, and the one rear exhaust fan. The front two are fractal designs fans the rear is a Noctua.

I updated my Bios from F4a to the latest beta. I thought I had taken out all the hard drive rails I wasn't using, but I missed a couple. Now the front hard drive racks are all clear minus the two SSD's in there. I'm now sitting at a 47 degree idle. After reading a bunch of posts on this ryzen chip. This seems pretty normal. I'm going to roll with it for now.
 
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Hi you're telling me 6000 cl28 is faster than 7600 cl34? By how much in games?
I have only screenshots for FFXV benchmark and Unigine Superposition and both don't seem to care much about RAM speed or latency so got roughly similar scores between 6000 and 7000 MT/s. I got the highest score in FFXV benchmark by going from DDR5-6000 CL28 to CL80, if you can believe that

At least the Winrar built-in benchmark showed a difference of 3MB/s between CL28 and CL80 but still not a total disaster like I was expecting.
 
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Late to this thread, but I agree that the WD Black NVMe is great, and the MX500 drives are good as quality, yet bang for buck SATA SSDs.
 
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Zeze

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This chip runs hot! I reset the heatsink, and I also replaced the stock Thermaltake fans on the heatsink with two Noctua NF-F12 fans, their best fans for radiator usage vs for case fan usage.

In a 74 degree home I'm idling at 51c. Running stress tests with Cinebench on all cores or with the Ryzen Master stress test which just pegs every core at 100%, I basically run at 83-85. I also undervolted a bit. I have the Thermaltake Phantom Spirit 120 Evo, which everyone said is one of the best coolers out now. Competes with the top end Noctuas.

Ram is oc'd to 6000, chip goes up to 4850 but average around 47 something.

51C idle for 7800X3D seems hot. I have a similar ambient temperature of mid-70s. Cinebench stress (>20 mins) at 83-85C is about right. I have the older cooler than yours by the same make. I repasted mine when I first built it because it was idling at 45C during spring ambient temp was 65C~. Afterwards it was idling at 39-40 with a super quiet 15-17% fan speed (500~ RPM).

Also there's a minor hack to remove one of the dual CPU fan to get rid of the harmonizing whirring noise with little to no performance hit.

Written by yours truly:

Also I cap the fan speed at 80% at 75C. Thermally, there's little to no difference in cooling from 80 vs 90 vs 100%. It's just a louder noise.

Congrats on a new system!! Isn't it a great feeling.
 
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MrSquished

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Turns out Chrome was making my chip hot! It didn't look like it was utilizing much CPU usage at all, but I completely closed out chrome, stopped all its tasks, and an running Firefox now. Temps are noticeably better. I literally watched the temps go down in CoreTemp in my tray the moment I ended all Chrome tasks. I'm going to install Firefox on my phone and table too and see if I can just get out of the Chrome ecosystem in that way at least. I've been wanting to anyway.
 
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MrSquished

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Having serious issues with this chip now. I have reset the CMOS and loaded up with all the stock settings but no matter what, Lightroom Classic crashes the whole computer. Doesn't just crash the program, the whole computer crashes. I'm thinking it's the CPU? I just emailed B&H to see if I can change this fora new one tomorrow. Thoughts?
 
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Having serious issues with this chip now. I have reset the CMOS and loaded up with all the stock settings but no matter what, Lightroom Classic crashes the whole computer. Doesn't just crash the program, the whole computer crashes. I'm thinking it's the CPU? I just emailed B&H to see if I can change this fora new one tomorrow. Thoughts?
Anything in the Event Viewer or using BlueScreen Viewer to review minidumps (Windows has a few places it likes to put mini dumps - I found mine when I was having random GPU-induced crashes here: C:\Windows\LiveKernelReports)? Could point to what might be the underlying issue. If you were able to, I'd suggest trying to turn off the GPU acceleration in Lightroom Classic.
 
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MrSquished

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Anything in the Event Viewer or using BlueScreen Viewer to review minidumps (Windows has a few places it likes to put mini dumps - I found mine when I was having random GPU-induced crashes here: C:\Windows\LiveKernelReports)? Could point to what might be the underlying issue. If you were able to, I'd suggest trying to turn off the GPU acceleration in Lightroom Classic.
wow thanks. I had just updated the drivers for my 6600xt and disabling the GPU in LR seems to have fixed it as I have just edited two photos in a row lol

you are a lifesaver.
 
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wow thanks. I had just updated the drivers for my 6600xt and disabling the GPU in LR seems to have fixed it as I have just edited two photos in a row lol

you are a lifesaver.
I was thinking you had an older version of Lightroom (real "classic"), thus, it might not play well with newer things. Though, I have version 6.14 installed and it's fine with the GPU-assisted hardware acceleration turned on with a 7800 XT (and formerly a 6600).

If you're worried your GPU might have an underlying issue, you can also run Furmark to stress test it. When I had my faulty RX 6600 and I was trying to confirm it was the issue, Furmark would crash in <5 seconds of starting (but would run for at least a few minutes before I manually would stop it once MSI fixed the card via RMA).
 
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