Trim with Intel RST 11.2/11.5 and RAID 0? Update: Trying 11.5 RST with 11.5.x.x OROM

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Dufus

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As I noted in this thread on created 11/21/2010 Asus hadn't included any OROM updates with this product's BIOS revisions. To this day there has not been a single OROM update on this product..

lol, ASUS it seems are very much of the opinion that OROM's do not need updating any higher than the chipset they were written for. Version 10 for 6 series, version 11 for 7 series, even though the newer versions have backward compatibility and may possibly include fixes.

As for the hex testing of trim, a well known Asus rep and his 'well informed contacts' replied that it's not the result of trim but something else and trim could not possibly happen in seconds. Perhaps they were confusing trim with garbage collection.
 
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Fernando 1

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"As I noted in this thread on created 11/21/2010 Asus hadn't included any OROM updates with this product's BIOS revisions. To this day there has not been a single OROM update on this product.."
I totally agree, but ASUS is just an example. Other mainboard manufacturers are not better regarding the update of the PCI ROM modules, which are part of the BIOS.
Fortunately it is not that difficult to update a PCI ROM module of a mainboard BIOS by the user himself. That is why I have written >this< guide about how to do it. The latest PCI ROM modules can be downloaded from >here<.
 

Foonus

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SATA II Mushkin Callisto Deluxe 60G (x3) - TRIM NON FUNCTIONAL:thumbsdown:
SATA III Corsair Force GT (x4) - TRIM NON FUNCTIONAL:thumbsdown:
SATA III Corsair Force GT (x1) - TRIM FUNCTIONAL:thumbsup:
SATA III Corsair Force GT (x4 Rebuilt with 11.5.0.1582 OROM) TRIM NON FUNCTIONAL:thumbsdown:

Tests repeated with today's current OROM:
Intel Option ROM 11.6.0.1624, RST Driver V 11.6.0.1030.

Props to user ex58 for the OROM archive :thumbsup:
Still no TRIM working on X58 in the RAID configuration same results as previously posted above... heck; at least it still boots... sorry fellas :whiste:
 
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Foonus

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Tests repeated with today's current OROM on ICH10R:

Intel RST OROM 11.6.0.172 / RST Driver V 11.6.0.1030. Waiting for newer revision of Intel RST Driver package since this OROM is newer than the current WHQL and the 12.0 beta RST's are incredibly unstable..

Still no TRIM working on X58 in the RAID configuration same results as previously posted above with the older OROM.
 

psfc_yojimbo

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Tests repeated with today's current OROM on ICH10R:

Intel RST OROM 11.6.0.172 / RST Driver V 11.6.0.1030. Waiting for newer revision of Intel RST Driver package since this OROM is newer than the current WHQL and the 12.0 beta RST's are incredibly unstable..

Still no TRIM working on X58 in the RAID configuration same results as previously posted above with the older OROM.

Thanks for the update! Do you think I should give up hope on X58 support happening anytime soon? And by "soon" I mean before the next Intel Haswell CPU's are released (speculated March-June 2013 last I read)?
 

Foonus

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Thanks for the update! Do you think I should give up hope on X58 support happening anytime soon? And by "soon" I mean before the next Intel Haswell CPU's are released (speculated March-June 2013 last I read)?

Can't really give much but a personal opinion but since thats what you asked for here goes.

IMO, Its going to be one of the later RST drivers that enables it if we do see it. They had huge issues with the 11.5 memory leaks (advised users to revert to previous versions). Guessing the current RST 11.6 they had their hands full just coming out with something stable to release on the rush. 12.0 beta also has the memory leak so its my hope that the next 12.xx that comes out will have both that solution carried over from the working 11.6, from there they can start working on adding things if they so choose...

I don't think people realize how this is abused by vendors to sell new hardware. A buddy of mine recently replaced 15 machines in a native school lab; he told me specifically this. "We updated the BIOS for the board and it still wouldn't see the new drives, after that didn't work we just assumed it wasn't possible with that old board to use the new drives so all of the machines were replaced". In terms of sales kick backs as a reference provider for the controller on the new boards, that's +15 revenue for Intel, and 100% unnecessary. Those machines had P5E boards... after showing him this thread i modded a P5E BIOS with the current OROM and sure enough, detected the drives on first POST. Sadly they were already sold the new units, and despite the fact it worked the modded BIOS would have been unusable in their situation in terms of warantee.

I can't see Intel overlooking this in terms or reduced sales, they flat out know that many of the new drives aren't supported by the old OROMS and use it as a way to trick users into unnecessary upgrades, and the vendor companies choose to play along with it by not updating the OROMs. IMO they will use the addition of TRIM support to sell their new controllers and try to use that to coax users to upgrade on those terms alone since many of the new boards don't offer more than 2 of the SATA III ports integrated yet they try to sell them with TRIM support instead.

Along those lines, my best guess would be that if we will see TRIM support for the X58+, If we see it, maybe half way through 2013 after this first crop of integrated controllers are set to be replaced with the next generation, and the addition of TRIM support wont be as much of a selling point since it has already been around for half a year + and they have milked it for all its worth. At this time they may try push controller that handles 4+ SATAIII ports instead, we can only hope.

Thats my 2 bits anyways...
 
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Bad Dude

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Hey guys,
So if I got the older Asus P6T and X58 chipset, does that mean that I have no hope with RAID 0 and TRIM support?
I also have the LSI SAS3442E-R PCI Express SATA / SAS Controller Card but I am not sure if this card would give me better performance than the onboard Intel ICH10R with my Corsair Force 3 120GB SSDs? If you guys permit, I'll list my system specs here. I am a little confuse on what is the best way to setup my system for long life for my SSDs and performance over time.
Here's my system specs:
-Intel i920 Overclock to 4Ghz. Corsair H50.
-Motherboard, Asus P6T with the latest BIOS 1408.
-24GB or RAM tri channel.
-Video Sapphire Dirt 3 6950 2GB.
-LSI SAS3442E-R PCI Express SATA / SAS Controller Card . I have been using this card to run RAID 0 with two 1TB WD Black 64MB cache.
-Sound cards, modded Creative Xtreme Music PCI and Xonar DG PCI.

Thanks.
 

Makaveli

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Hey guys,
So if I got the older Asus P6T and X58 chipset, does that mean that I have no hope with RAID 0 and TRIM support?
I also have the LSI SAS3442E-R PCI Express SATA / SAS Controller Card but I am not sure if this card would give me better performance than the onboard Intel ICH10R with my Corsair Force 3 120GB SSDs? If you guys permit, I'll list my system specs here. I am a little confuse on what is the best way to setup my system for long life for my SSDs and performance over time.
Here's my system specs:
-Intel i920 Overclock to 4Ghz. Corsair H50.
-Motherboard, Asus P6T with the latest BIOS 1408.
-24GB or RAM tri channel.
-Video Sapphire Dirt 3 6950 2GB.
-LSI SAS3442E-R PCI Express SATA / SAS Controller Card . I have been using this card to run RAID 0 with two 1TB WD Black 64MB cache.
-Sound cards, modded Creative Xtreme Music PCI and Xonar DG PCI.

Thanks.

I will respond to your first question and say no one on this forum can answer that currently. Intel has said Raid 0 is only available on the newest chipset. With the testing that has been done in this thread its still a no for the x58.

Another thread someone has said they got it working on SB chipset but that is also hit and miss currently.

And for your controller question hopefully someone with some experience with the LSI controllers can add their 2cents.
 

Fernando 1

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@ Bad Dude:

If I were you I would wait 1-2 months until Intel will release the next RST drivers and RAID ROM module of the v11.6 series. Since I have seen >this< thread, I am rather optimistic, that Intel will offer the "TRIM in RAID0" feature for more Intel chipsets than just the 7-series ones.
 

Bad Dude

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Thanks guys for the suggestions. After a year and a half, I finally found a much lower paying job but it's still work that could help with the bills and rent. So I finally could get some toys buying done this holidays. So I have gone from computers to cars, and now back to computers a little more.

Thanks for the help guys.
Happy holidays if you celebrate them. I don't really celebrate the holidays but I love the atmosphere and joy from within most people.
 

Bad Dude

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@ Bad Dude:

If I were you I would wait 1-2 months until Intel will release the next RST drivers and RAID ROM module of the v11.6 series. Since I have seen >this< thread, I am rather optimistic, that Intel will offer the "TRIM in RAID0" feature for more Intel chipsets than just the 7-series ones.

Hey Fernando,
If I go ahead and install a fresh Windows 7 X64 on the Intel RAID 0 right now and if with good luck, I could update to the later time the drivers, do you think it would work?

Thanks.
 

Fernando 1

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If I go ahead and install a fresh Windows 7 X64 on the Intel RAID 0 right now and if with good luck, I could update to the later time the drivers, do you think it would work?
Yes, it will, but you probably have to update the Intel RAID ROM module of your mainboard BIOS too.
 
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Makaveli

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Originally Posted by Makaveli
If I go ahead and install a fresh Windows 7 X64 on the Intel RAID 0 right now and if with good luck, I could update to the later time the drivers, do you think it would work?

lol I somehow don't remember posting this
 

Bad Dude

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Just an update. I got the Force 3 drives to run RAID 0 with the Intel ICH10R and the latest drivers. When I check the drives with Crystal Disk Info, it shows that both drives are TRIM activated in RAID 0. I didn't know that the X58 chipset with ICH10R has TRIM support in RAID 0. That is nice.
I did the command in Windows and it shows 0 as TRIM activated.
Is there another way to check for sure?

Thanks.
 

groberts101

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Just an update. I got the Force 3 drives to run RAID 0 with the Intel ICH10R and the latest drivers. When I check the drives with Crystal Disk Info, it shows that both drives are TRIM activated in RAID 0. I didn't know that the X58 chipset with ICH10R has TRIM support in RAID 0. That is nice.
I did the command in Windows and it shows 0 as TRIM activated.
Is there another way to check for sure?

Thanks.

those utilities only show that it's available/activated.. not that the commands are actually passing down the storage stack to the drives firmware.

Most of these guys have been checking for hex changes after trimming...

and some(including myself.. at least when it comes to Sandforce controlled drives).. will use HDTach ot HDTune to graph read speed changes in locations that had incompressible data(lower speeds/dips) prior to trimming.
 

Bad Dude

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those utilities only show that it's available/activated.. not that the commands are actually passing down the storage stack to the drives firmware.

Most of these guys have been checking for hex changes after trimming...

and some(including myself.. at least when it comes to Sandforce controlled drives).. will use HDTach ot HDTune to graph read speed changes in locations that had incompressible data(lower speeds/dips) prior to trimming.

I see, what is the easiest way with simple instructions that I could surely check? Not that it matters, but I am just curious.

Thanks.
 
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