It is not. The Ivy mobile i3 will have HD 4000 graphics, just like the Sandy mobile i3 had HD 3000 graphics. The difference will be their Turbo frequencies, which should mean a small ~5% difference (in some cases perhaps 10%).
What's with the Skyrim "medium preset" difference between Techreport and Anandtech?
At Techreport the i7-3720QM HD4000 gets 24 Avg FPS at Anandtech it gets 42.7 (of what I assume is Avg FPS, they don't actually say)
Newer driver? HD4000 friendly benchmark run (Techreport runs around Whiterun one of the more GPU intense areas of the game)?
http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932/10
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6
Techreport tested with 4xAA, maybe that's why.
Hm, sorry pelov and AtenRa but I just looked at some benchmark indexes of SB laptops (I used http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...-envy-14-spectre/11/#abschnitt_3dmark_vantage) and I barely saw any 3D difference between the various benchmarked:
Using the average of 3Dmark Vantage 3D Performance, I got the following:
Core i3-2310M (2.1GHz base, 35W)________1240
Core i5-2467M (1.6GHz base, 17W)________1232
Core i5-2520M (2.5GHz base, 35W)________1383
Core i7-2620M (2.7GHz base, 35W)________2428
Unsure about the i7 (there were only two samples: 3204 and 1651 which seem strange). So it looks that unlike Llano HD3000 scores pretty much the same in all mobile SBs. Now IB is unknown but is I don't see it being that different.
It's the age old thing: Intel has the money to have the best fabs and since the P4 they're also using their money to have the best research. And of course the one time Intel's dominance was threatened (2003-2006 with the P4) they used their dominance and money for all kinds of dirty tricks.
Ha, ha, no lighting/shadows on Ivy? What game did that before on HD3000? Dragon Age?
hehe...i was wondering, why trinity pics looks abit darker than Ivy...look what i found in ivy rewievs...
ivy...
Llano...
Among discrete GPUs, anisotropic filtering comparisons have become somewhat superfluous. Today's solutions apply the same level of filtering quality with the same mipmap transitions at all polygon angles, which yields generally consistent results across different GPU makes and generations.
In the integrated world, though, things aren't quite as rosy. We witnessed that first-hand when comparing Llano to Sandy Bridge last year. While Llano's IGP had a nice, consistent filtering pattern, Sandy's HD 3000 integrated graphics exhibited huge variations in filtering quality at different angles.
Happily, though, things have improved quite a bit with Ivy Bridge.
In a nutshell, we want the color patterns to map consistently to the geometry (so, in this case, we want them to be perfectly circular), and we want the transitions between each color to be smooth. Trinity's Radeon HD 7760G integrated graphics has no trouble with either task. Ivy Bridge's HD 4000 IGP also manages mostly circular patterns with smooth transitions, but if you look closely, you'll see jagged lines where the red fades into the background checkerboard pattern. As for Sandy Bridge, well, the image speaks for itself.
Now, we should preface the results below with a little primer on our testing methodology. Along with measuring average frames per second, we delve inside the second to look at frame rendering times. Studying the time taken to render each frame gives us a better sense of playability, because it highlights issues like stuttering that can occur—and be felt by the player—within the span of one second. Charting frame times shows these issues clear as day, while charting average frames per second obscures them.
For example, imagine one hypothetical second of gameplay. Almost all frames in that second are rendered in 16.7 ms, but the game briefly hangs, taking a disproportionate 100 ms to produce one frame and then catching up by cranking out the next frame in 5 ms—not an uncommon scenario. You're going to feel the game hitch, but the FPS counter will only report a dip from 60 to 56 FPS, which would suggest a negligible, imperceptible change. Looking inside the second helps us detect such skips, as well as other issues that conventional frame rate data measured in FPS tends to obscure.
Well, isn't that interesting? As poorly as Ivy and the HD 4000 did in Skyrim, they're actually faster and smoother than the A10-4600M and Radeon HD 7760G across the board here—and by a fair margin, too. Perhaps Intel's driver team has done some optimization work for Unreal Engine 3-based titles. Either that, or some of the integrated Radeon's performance has been left untapped. Considering Trinity barely edges out Llano here, the latter seems more likely.
first of all, the APUs are meant to be cheap and power-eficient (well, cheap for OEMs)
second, a triple channel, 60Watt, trinity would beat a gtx260M...but this chip will never exisist, because of power and cost....
There's actually minimum difference due to L3 caches. Plus in Ivy Bridge, the iGPU gets its own L3 cache so it doesn't fire up the ring bus and save power.
Pelov: In Sandy Bridge mobiles, all the Core parts have the higher GT2 graphics. Also, the information is out there. Here's the 35W Core i3: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i3/Intel-Core i3-3110M (PGA) Mobile processor.html
Now that's surprising! I read it this morning as I was leaving the house and haven't had time to comment.
The CPU Queens benchmark I know uses very very little cache -- in fact I believe it fits into L1 -- so the L3 shouldn't make any difference there. It does test branch prediction and it seems to be flat... I'm not sure about the other benchmarks and how/if they utilize the L3 cache, but that's still inexcusable to see they've essentially flatlined in their IPC improvements. If Vishera doesn't clock to 5ghz on turbo AMD is screwed.
I don't think the benchmarks take anything away from Trinity, though. Considering the other improvements alongside the CPU improvements its actually still a good chip. It just doesn't bode well for Vishera :/
You do realize the i7 and i5 have very similar single-threaded performance and IGP frequencies, meaning they'll also have very similar IGP performance?
I don't remember talking about what's "enough for most games at medium" or weather or not most people care about video gaming. This is a hardware forum, and differences in price/performance matters - being good enough at something is not a metric of comparison, so let's not try to move the goal post here.I like how you word everything, forgetting the fact that the HD 4000 is still enough for most games at Medium settings and laptop resolutions (1280x720, 1366x768). Even with that, there's still the small fact that many people here forget because of their personal wants: the vast majority of people don't care about gaming on their laptops, and there's still a huge gap between Ivy and Trinity when it comes to the more-relevant-to-more-people CPU.
This isn't 2008, many games are starting to use 3 or more cores, which only widens the gap between the mobile A10s and the mobile i5s/3s.
I don't remember talking about what's "enough for most games at medium" or weather or not most people care about video gaming. This is a hardware forum, and differences in price/performance matters - being good enough at something is not a metric of comparison, so let's not try to move the goal post here.
Wow do you ever get the feeling you've been trolled? What else do you call it when someone spams the page with a whole bunch of benchmarks that have absolutely no relevance to anything trinity whatsoever? Different screen resolution, different gpu class, hell why not post some GTX 580 5760x1080 numbers while you're at it? Try to take up 10 pages too.
Thanks
But Q3 release date is even later than I was expecting.
Wow look at that house, it is totally butchered. It doesnt look anything like it should. You cant tell from that picture that there are supposed to be two separate sides. Can you see the corner on that house? It is to the right of the window that is to the right of the chimney.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...00-und-2500/4/#abschnitt_anisotrope_filterung(die unterschiedliche Beleuchtung/Schattierung ist zu ignorieren)
In Half-Life 2 hinterlässt der anisotrope Filter auf Ivy Bridge einen guten Eindruck (die unterschiedliche Beleuchtung/Schattierung ist zu ignorieren). Es lässt sich an den hinteren Felsen auf der linken Seite schnell erkennen, dass der neue Algorithmus nicht mehr mit einer Winkelabhängigkeit zu kämpfen hat. Davon abgesehen ist die optische Qualität auf Sandy Bridge und Ivy Bridge identisch, was zur Folge hat, dass die anisotrope Filterung in dem First-Person-Shooter zwar nicht ganz an das Niveau einer Radeon HD 7000 oder GeForce-Grafikkarte heran kommt, jedoch der einer Radeon HD 5000, Radeon HD 6000 und damit auch Llano und auch Trinity überlegen ist – es flimmert weniger.
In Half-Life 2, Ivy Bridge’s anisotropic filtering leaves a good impression (the differences in lighting and shadows may be ignored). From the hill / cliff on the left it can be quickly established that the new algorithm no longer has to fight with angle-dependencies. [Yes some things don’t translate well when done word for word but I’m trying to convey the tone of the original here!]
Aside from that the optical quality of Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is identical, and it therefore follows that the anisotropic filtering in this FSP cannot reach the level of the Radeon HD 7000s or the Geforce graphic cards, however it does exceed the level of the Radeon HD 5000, Radeon 6000 and therefore also the level of Llano and Trinity – since it flickers less.
Yet you completely forget about the fact that even the HD 7660G is only "good enough" because that extra 20% over the HD 4000 doesn't mean you get to increase settings to High. Hilarious.
And no, games are still largely single-threaded. Even in recent games an FX-4100 or Phenom II X4 955 at stock are only the same speed as a Pentium G630.
*snipped pics*
I said "being good enough at something is not a metric of comparison", not that the 7660G is anything but "good enough" too.
20% faster is 20% faster, and it IS a metric of comparison. Why would you buy something that is singnificantly slower for a similar price just because it too is good enough. You've spent enough time on these forums to know that this isn't how we do things here which, ironically, was enough time spent that you had ample opportunity to sh!t on the "bulldozer" lineup every chance you got; apparently "good enough" wasn't an object then.
Yeah, don't do that, I have better things to do than post "counter-graphs" to your cherry picky pics. There are plenty of games that benefit form 3~4 cores and, sometimes, even 6.
All I want is a cheap laptop that can play Civ 5 on medium settings in a pinch (work trips, holidays, etc). Hopefully Trinity can pull that off.