Trinity review

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LOL_Wut_Axel

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You can say this all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

The vast majority of people gaming on laptops are not enthusiasts. They're normal people with a laptop as their main/only PC that happen to play some light games (as ElFenix said, MMOs in particular).

When I played FFXI, I'd wager that more than half of my in game friends used their laptops, some with horrendous IGPs.

Remember that most gamers are "casual" gamers these days. These are also the same people who don't need gobs of CPU power to listen to MP3s and watch cat videos on youtube. AMD is in a good position to nail that market with Trinity. :thumbsup:

Same thing we heard with Llano. Same thing I said before: we know how that ended.

no there aren't any other reasons at all why sandy could have left llano in the dust. surely can't have anything to do with sheer retail availability or the strength of intel's brand name. couldn't have anything at all to do with the lack of serious research people put into laptop (and just about every other aside from car) purchases.

Llano was widely available in retail, even if in less numbers than SB.
Let me give you a clue: because for the vast majority of consumers Intel works as well or better and has competitive pricing not to mention a stronger brand name. If AMD wants to succeed, they need to be better than Intel and not as-good or worse. That means that they can't just be as good in battery life, chassis size, or overall performance: they need to be better. If they're not, people will go with Intel by default and that's the situation we're at now.
 

sm625

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One of the review sites did a Windows Live Movie Maker Test



That's the problem with trinity in a nutshell. And I do believe this is without quicksync. The processor is just very slow in many/most common windows tasks. Not usually this much slower, but slow.
 

Olikan

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Llano was widely available in retail, even if in less numbers than SB.
Let me give you a clue: because for the vast majority of consumers Intel works as well or better and has competitive pricing not to mention a stronger brand name. If AMD wants to succeed, they need to be better than Intel and not as-good or worse. That means that they can't just be as good in battery life, chassis size, or overall performance: they need to be better. If they're not, people will go with Intel by default and that's the situation we're at now.

...trinity only lose to cpu performance, wins or tie at everyting else....

intel will still outsell amd, P4 sold more than A64.....blue stickers are stronger than red ones

anyway...it is pointless, comparing chips based on sales...


IVB AF is better of course. Read the Computerbase test and download the AF tester videos. The flickering is much worse on a VLIW4 and VLIW5 GPU, you can't see this in a screenshot, you need videos. AMD fixed the flickering issue in their GCN architecture.

still ages better than light\shadow problems, crashes or "video card not supported"
 

RampantAndroid

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One of the review sites did a Windows Live Movie Maker Test



That's the problem with trinity in a nutshell. And I do believe this is without quicksync. The processor is just very slow in many/most common windows tasks. Not usually this much slower, but slow.

Pretty sure Windows Movie Maker doesn't support Quicksync, so these numbers are worse for intel than they could, or should be.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Since the topic is now budget gaming and how it will supposedly make Trinity sell like hotcakes, if you read Anandtech's review you'll find this:



The HD 7660G is playable at up to Medium settings and 1366x768 resolution. The HD 4000 is also playable at the same settings.



Battlefield 3, a much more popular game, isn't playable on either the 7660G or the HD 4000 at Medium on 1366x768. You need to step down to low, and then it's playable on both.



Civ V is somewhat playable on lowest settings on the HD 7660G at 1366x768, but completely unplayable on the HD 4000. Notice that this is the first title where there's a difference between the experience a user can get comparing the HD 4000 to HD 7660G.



Same story as in Batman:AA. Both the HD 4000 and HD 7660G are playable at Medium w/DX11 enabled at 1366x768.



Same story as we just saw with DiRT 3. Both platforms playable at Medium and 1366x768.



Both playable but the HD 7660G would allow you to step up to higher settings.



The HD 7660G is very playable, while the HD 4000 may be unplayable to some at Medium.

The HD 4000 will also be featured in the Ivy Bridge Core i3, but it has a lower Turbo frequency than the one in the i7 here. The difference that makes is outlined here in the last graphs, comparing the Compal notebook with the i7-2820QM and the Dell V131 both with HD 3000 graphics and both being typical chassis notebooks. So, for the most part, it will be a 5-10% difference like I've said previously.

Most people here have been saying that Trinity is a good option if you want a "good enough" budget gaming laptop. My question is, how is that any different from Ivy Bridge? In the seven games in the Trinity review, on only two did going from the HD 4000 to the HD 7660G make a difference in terms of how playable the games are at Medium settings. Given the mantra of AMD's supporters here is that Trinity is "good enough" for budget gaming, how is Ivy Bridge not? After all, the HD 4000 is the same speed as the HD 6620G. Or was Llano suddenly not enough for budget gaming?

Another thing: A8 laptops will have the HD 7640G, which is a cut-down and lower-clocked version of the 7660G. The HD 7660G will be 20% faster than the HD 7640G, and the HD 7660G is 20% faster than the HD 4000. What this means is that an a laptop Core i3's HD 4000 will only be 5-10% slower than the HD 7640G. Given this, why would a consumer go for an A8 laptop over an Ivy Bridge Core i3 laptop if they're at the same price point?
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Trinity is a CPU. So it losses at its primary purpose. ()

I don't know if you're joking, but this is actually true.

I guess people forget what these mean. As a reminder:

CPU=Central Processing Unit
GPU=Graphics Processing Unit

The CPU is still more important.
 

AtenRa

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Most people here have been saying that Trinity is a good option if you want a "good enough" budget gaming laptop. My question is, how is that any different from Ivy Bridge?

I can ask you the same thing, why do you say AMD Bulldozer sucks for gaming when i have shown in my review that it produces the same fps against Intel CPUs in actual gaming settings ????

Even in big site reviews (low resolutions, low IQ settings) AMD Bulldozer CPUs never fall bellow the 60fps mark in games and yet you always say that BD sucks for gaming. But when Intel CPUs are second best (bellow the 60fps mark that higher performance matters the most) they are good enough for gaming. Not only that but AMD again sucks because the APU (this is not a CPU) has lower CPU performance then your precious Intel.

You are Intel biased to the bone.
 

RampantAndroid

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Halfing 40% greater with 20% slower?

Huh?

Sorry, it's before my coffee, and I'm confused. He said A8 and you showed an A10 vs an i3. Is there a chart for an A8 vs an i3? Not trying to say one is better, I'm just genuinely confused right now.
 

Schmide

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Huh?

Sorry, it's before my coffee, and I'm confused. He said A8 and you showed an A10 vs an i3. Is there a chart for an A8 vs an i3? Not trying to say one is better, I'm just genuinely confused right now.

He made a bunch o generalizations saying 20% faster A10 to I7, and 10% faster for an A8 to I3. I showed a 40% faster A10 to I7 that by his logic would be 20% faster A8 to I3.

Edit: If all that fuzzy logic holds. An A8 would exceed the 30fps mark for Diablo while an I3 wouldn't.
 
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ElFenix

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Llano was widely available in retail, even if in less numbers than SB.
Let me give you a clue: because for the vast majority of consumers Intel works as well or better and has competitive pricing not to mention a stronger brand name. If AMD wants to succeed, they need to be better than Intel and not as-good or worse. That means that they can't just be as good in battery life, chassis size, or overall performance: they need to be better. If they're not, people will go with Intel by default and that's the situation we're at now.

wow, really? what are you even arguing anymore?
 

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There always seems to be the same argument (from Intel fans) against AMD APU's having better speeds under gaming --- Intel is "good enough" for the average user, and even if AMD has better graphics performance it isn't needed.. Eh..

That same argument applies against Intel --- For the vast majority of mobile users, AMD has CPU performance that is "Good enough".

I believe CPU performance was never holding AMD back. It has always been efficiency, heat and battery life. And now AMD has great battery life, thermals and performance per watt.
 

RampantAndroid

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He made a bunch o generalizations saying 20% faster A10 to I7, and 10% faster for an A8 to I3. I showed a 40% faster A10 to I7 that by his logic would be 20% faster A8 to I3.

Edit: If all that fuzzy logic holds. An A8 would exceed the 30fps mark for Diablo while an I3 wouldn't.

Ahh, ok. Thanks for explaining!
 

sequoia464

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Huh?

Sorry, it's before my coffee, and I'm confused. He said A8 and you showed an A10 vs an i3. Is there a chart for an A8 vs an i3? Not trying to say one is better, I'm just genuinely confused right now.

Before your coffee?? I thought anyone from Seattle had a mainline drip of coffee.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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He made a bunch o generalizations saying 20% faster A10 to I7, and 10% faster for an A8 to I3. I showed a 40% faster A10 to I7 that by his logic would be 20% faster A8 to I3.

Edit: If all that fuzzy logic holds. An A8 would exceed the 30fps mark for Diablo while an I3 wouldn't.

The HD 7660G isn't 40% faster than the HD 4000. Sorry.



That's exactly 20% averaged out.
 
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