Trinity review

[blackened23]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

They might be close price wise, but they will likely be slower.

No, they won't: this was already established several comments ago. Compared to A8 laptops, the Core i3 will have a massive CPU advantage and only a 5-10% disadvantage in IGP.

 

[Infraction Jack]

I like to run a VM on my laptop and that is something that the i3 will not do as well as the a8/10 for the same price.

 

[Skurge]

No, they won't: this was already established several comments ago. Compared to A8 laptops, the Core i3 will have a massive CPU advantage and only a 5-10% disadvantage in IGP.

The i3 models that will have lower clocks and no turbo? I'm not so sure. Well that's my opinion, but I just don't see the i3s beating the A10s maybe on par with the A8.

 

[Kevmanw430]

No, they won't: this was already established several comments ago. Compared to A8 laptops, the Core i3 will have a massive CPU advantage and only a 5-10% disadvantage in IGP.

Until we have benches for both IVB i3's and Trinity A8's, we can make no conclusions. I'd even go so far as to say we can't make any on completely solid conclusions on Trinity until we have drivers from AMD that OFFICIALLY support Trinity. Who knows, maybe AMD wrings another 15% perfomance out of it. Also, don't forget the possbility that mobile Trinity might be able to overclock like mobile Llano.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

The i3 models that will have lower clocks and no turbo? I'm not so sure. Well that's my opinion, but I just don't see the i3s beating the A10s maybe on par with the A8.

The i3 has no CPU Turbo. It does have GPU Turbo, and it's allowed to Turbo 1100-1150MHz instead of the 1200-1250MHz of the i7. The platform isn't CPU limited, either, and the GPU's core configuration matters more than its clock speed. The HD 4000 is 35-40% faster than the HD 3000, with a corresponding increase in processing units of 33% (12 EU vs. 16 EU). The Ivy Bridge IGP uses the same architecture as the Sandy Bridge IGP and Intel kept the base and Turbo clock speeds the same as in HD 3000, so looking at how the Core i3 and i7 versions of the HD 3000 performed against each other we can infer the performance of the HD 4000 in the i3 and i7. The difference was 5-10% comparing standard voltage mobile CPUs, and it'll be the same now. The HD 7660G is 20% faster than the cut-down HD 7640G and the i7's HD 4000, hence my previous comments about the Trinity A8 (not A10) only having 5-10% higher IGP performance than the i3's HD 4000.

 

[MrPickins]

0.7% gain!!! Wow, massive success story right there.

I didn't say that llano was a runaway success, but it sure wasn't the failure you paint it as...

 

[Schmide]

As far as I've read, Ivy i3 vs i7 will have half the L3 (6mb vs 3mb), graphics will have 53% the base speed (650 vs 350) and 84% turbo (1250 vs 1050). So the upper bound for graphics performance deficit i3-i7 is 16%, the lower bound is 50% if you fudge the L3 as 3%.

Never mind, we'll just marginalize that to 10-15%???

 

[ninaholic37]

well, there is bobcat 2.0

it's just some clocks bumb (1.65Ghz > 1.7Ghz) , and a rework in south bridge to be more power-eficient

Great. Are you referring to the 9W C-series, or the 18W E-series? If the C-series gets an upgrade from 1.0Ghz (1.33 with turbo) to 1.65/1.7Ghz, that'd be a pretty good jump I think.

I've tried looking for exclusive articles about "Bobcat 2.0" but haven't found much yet. Anyone have any good links about it?

 

[coffey]

Great. Are you referring to the 9W C-series, or the 18W E-series? If the C-series gets an upgrade from 1.0Ghz (1.33 with turbo) to 1.65/1.7Ghz, that'd be a pretty good jump I think.

I've tried looking for exclusive articles about "Bobcat 2.0" but haven't found much yet. Anyone have any good links about it?

The E series should hit 1.65/1.7 for now :-(

A delay in 32 nm fabs is said to have made AMD cancel 32 nm bobcat version and continue with the 40 nm versions we know now, until they can launch a new version on 28 nm.

Aka, we only get a small speed bump until 28 nm, and that is still some time away.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I didn't say that llano was a runaway success, but it sure wasn't the failure you paint it as...

Compared to their previous efforts Llano is very good. But compared to what Intel has they're still behind. That's why you see them a bit better than before when it comes to market share but Intel is still well in front.

 

[hans030390]

No, it's you taking things out of context by nitpicking benchmarks that favor your point of view and then wording it as if that was the average improvement.

Speaking of which, here's the HD 4000 beating the HD 7660G by 16%.

Since this is a very very popular game, I guess this settles it: the HD 4000 is 15% faster than the HD 6620G.

The post right above this had a graph (in quotes) showing that the the HD7660G is overall 20% faster than the HD4000 based on 15 popular titles. It only performed worse in Skyrim and Arkham City.

So, wait, who is nitpicking benchmarks again?

 

[pelov]

In Skyrim the 7660G actually performed better and had more fluid frame rates whereas the HD4000 i7 was noticeably jittery. The AT review was one of the only ones where the HD4000 won the Skyrim benchmark and most had it the other way around and by a comfortable margin.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932/10

Note the fluidity with Trinity and the skippy frames of the HD4000

In fact even Llano beats out the HD4000 in that game.

No question about it: Trinity's integrated graphics are fast. They're substantially quicker than even Llano's, and the contest with Intel's solutions is really no contest at all. From a seat-of-the-pants perspective, only the A10-4600M and Radeon HD 7760G are really playable at these settings. Llano is borderline, and the Intel offerings are just too choppy.

Metro2033 and Batman Arkham are really the two games where it seems like the drivers are hurting it more than HD4000 is winning, particularly in a game like Metro2033 where the module actually performs pretty well due to the threaded nature of the game. It might be that Batman prefers one architecture over the other but I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD snatch that back as well with some actual drivers, particularly when you consider that AMD was winning the usually intel-favored games like Starcraft II and pretty much anything DX9 where IPC and overall CPU performance matters more.

I'd expect that gap to only increase but considering it's AMD and it's a new product they'll probably take their sweet ass time with the drivers. Those also show why Anandtech has such a rough time reviewing anything GPU-related as far as gaming goes --GPGPGU the reviews are great. As anyone who's ever tried crossfire/SLi will tell you, the choppiness and low FPS rates matter just as much if not more than the average and max FPS. Taking the average and ignoring the low end doesn't make for thorough benchmarking. There's also image quality to consider and tesselation performance which were, the three of them, completely glossed over in the Trinity review. AT is usually my 3-4th stop after GPUs are released and it's why people head to [H] or Tom's or TR instead of AT when GPUs and APUs come out

 

[Kevmanw430]

I also noticed that the 7660G won Skyrim benchmarks on several other website's reviews as well, so maybe Anand had some wierd program running in the background.

 

[Yellowsamuel]

Great. Are you referring to the 9W C-series, or the 18W E-series? If the C-series gets an upgrade from 1.0Ghz (1.33 with turbo) to 1.65/1.7Ghz, that'd be a pretty good jump I think.

I've tried looking for exclusive articles about "Bobcat 2.0" but haven't found much yet. Anyone have any good links about it?

Whats the difference between bobcat 2.0 and brazos 2.0? Are they one and the same? I thought I read somewhere that AMD had canceled something from their mobile road map for this year! Trinity is looking pretty darn good for budget gaming.

 

[nonameo]

Whats the difference between bobcat 2.0 and brazos 2.0? Are they one and the same? I thought I read somewhere that AMD had canceled something from their mobile road map for this year! Trinity is looking pretty darn good for budget gaming.

bobcat is a core design and brazos is a platform. Or something like that. So it goes something like this

You have the brazos platform. In this platform, a computer can use either a zacate(18w) or ontario(9w) cpu. These CPUs use one or two bobcat cores combined with a fusion gpu.

anywhoo, I think that is right anyway. I don't feel like looking it up to be sure

 

[Madpacket]

AT used to be my main source for reviews but they're obviously falling behind sites like TR when it comes to measuring performance that matters most. Just compare the new Trinity APU reviews. If one were to only read the AT review they would have the impression that the HD 4000 can actually compete with AMD's top end trinity GPU which is simply not true. It's unfortunate as this mis-information will likely hurt future sales of Trinity based laptops.

Oh well I guess this is a good reminder that it's best to always to compare from multiple reviews before making a large purchasing decision.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

The post right above this had a graph (in quotes) showing that the the HD7660G is overall 20% faster than the HD4000 based on 15 popular titles. It only performed worse in Skyrim and Arkham City.

So, wait, who is nitpicking benchmarks again?

Yours have failed. Buy a new one here.

 

[Schmide]

Yours have failed. Buy a new one here.

What? Do you even understand sarcasm?

Too funny.

 

[hans030390]

Yours have failed. Buy a new one here.

So, you've been sarcastic on all of your posts here? Because that would make a LOT more sense.

 

[Lonbjerg]

This is funny...the battles of IGP's always makes me think of smurf-MMA...but it's not MMA...just smurf-MMA...how far we have come...since ALMOST good enough is the new debate...*sigh*

IGP's are just as bad as consoles...stagnation!

 

[Yellowsamuel]

bobcat is a core design and brazos is a platform. Or something like that. So it goes something like this

You have the brazos platform. In this platform, a computer can use either a zacate(18w) or ontario(9w) cpu. These CPUs use one or two bobcat cores combined with a fusion gpu.

anywhoo, I think that is right anyway. I don't feel like looking it up to be sure

Cheers for clearing that up for me :thumbsup:
This thread needs more info and details on trinity and less bickering, although it is pretty entertaining :sneaky:

 

[lau808]

+1

 

[Red Hawk]

This is funny...the battles of IGP's always makes me think of smurf-MMA...but it's not MMA...just smurf-MMA...how far we have come...since ALMOST good enough is the new debate...*sigh*

IGP's are just as bad as consoles...stagnation!

IGPs are still bottom of the barrel stuff as always, but they have steadily been moving forward over the past couple years, with Sandy Bridge, Llano, and now Ivy Bridge and Trinity. I wouldn't say "stagnation" is the problem.

 

[Lonbjerg]

IGPs are still bottom of the barrel stuff as always, but they have steadily been moving forward over the past couple years, with Sandy Bridge, Llano, and now Ivy Bridge and Trinity. I wouldn't say "stagnation" is the problem.

If you disregard consoleport, games have moved on too.

When IGP's are alomost good enough for Metro2033..something else will come along and make them look like IGPS again....eg ARMA IV...it a chase for a moving goalposts...with a BIG handicap (shared diespace).

My bet:
It will always be ALMOST...enough...ish.