Trinity review

[MisterMac]

Lonbjerg:

Ignore AtenRa.
He seems fanboy'ish and extremely coloured.



He doesn't seem to grasp that HD4000 while second best, is only second best by a small margin.

So one generation later Intel in the mobile space is dangerously close to the performance crown - with their shitty drivers.

Yet when llano came and trinity was announced people were like "Intel will never catch up - AMD will have dGPU advantage for years to come!".

Which doesn't bode well for prices next year in the mobile space atleast.


Ill be the first in line once either company makes me a CPU with a dGPU that's as effective as Kepler is in this current state of time.
And ill gladly pay 500 bucks for it.

 

[mrcmtl]

Being an intel fanboy, i'm obviously coloured.


But am i the only one VASTLY concerned how Trinity's GPU is faring?
HD4000 jumped significant percentages, trinity... meh.

Let's remember they wanted to put the Haswell GT3 on IB - but chose to wait for whatever reason.

Id say one is borderline naive if they think a GCN APU somehow has the mass to make a 50% or above jump for the next generation.
Where is AMD's ace for making sure they keep the GPU lead for the next generation?
And certainly by a ammount more significant than HD4000 vs Trinity.

We know Haswell will be a monster increase on the gpu side.



If intel gets both advantages - i fear for my cpu prices going the route of 28nm gpu's :\

Well looking at how a 7770/7750 is only about 110mm^2 big, using something around 640 shaders in the next generation is feasible in terms of die size for AMD. The question still remains to see how low the clocks needs to be reduced in order to keep power consumption down. I'd say a 500Mhz 640SP Cape Verde graphics on Kaveri definitely will be enough to make a 50% boost in GPU performance for AMD.

 

[IntelUser2000]

They did say Kaveri includes a 512CU GPU with Flop rating that came out to be ~900MHz for the GPU vs ~800MHz for Trinity.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Good stuff. Hoping this'll juice up my AMD stock.

I only read ATs review . Man I don't see it . LLano was better than SB in graphics by alot . IB is way closer to trinity than Sb is to llano . Intel IB made the greater performance leap. So llano was a better deal than trinity.

 

[AtenRa]

Lonbjerg:

Ignore AtenRa.
He seems fanboy'ish and extremely coloured.

My color and fanboy'ism is always RED for 2012 European Basketball Champion OLYMPIAKOS

He doesn't seem to grasp that HD4000 while second best, is only second best by a small margin.

As in Basketball the same with iGPUs, no matter how close Intel is, they still are the second best. :biggrin:

So one generation later Intel in the mobile space is dangerously close to the performance crown - with their shitty drivers.

Intel cannot even take the 22nm advantage and still is second best in iGPUs.

Yet when llano came and trinity was announced people were like "Intel will never catch up - AMD will have dGPU advantage for years to come!".

Well, HD3000 was second best, HD4000 still is second best, HD5000 will remain the second best and so on and so on.

Something else,
People say that no one playing games on Laptops but all i see is Intel trying hard to raise the iGPU performance. Ahh yes i know, they doing it for the GPGPU that all people use with their Laptops all day.

 

[Lonbjerg]

As in Basketball the same with iGPUs, no matter how close Intel is, they still are the second best. :biggrin:

Metric neeeded.
Since both are to slow to do any real gaming on...what other usefull features do they have?

 

[AtenRa]

Metric neeeded.
Since both are to slow to do any real gaming on...what other usefull features do they have?

You should re-read anandtechs review, all game benchmarks except BF3 are well above 30fps.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6

 

[Olikan]

well, gpu performance is kinda lame....i was expecting more

but i am impressed with baterry...
"In fact, looking at the normalized charts, the only laptops that can consistently beat Trinity are found in Sandy Bridge ultrabooks"

RCM > 22nm

 

[ShintaiDK]

I wouldnt put anything into batterylife. Until we see what the regular masses will get. Its one of those metrics that are too easy to cheat with.

Not saying its not gonna be better. I would just like to see more real life numbers besides a prototype that comes with a Samsung 830 SSD and so on.

We can already see on the Intel laptops how much difference with any real logic there is in batterytime. Simply from 1 model to another.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You should re-read anandtechs review, all game benchmarks except BF3 are well above 30fps.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6

Really?!
Look at the settings...I don't care about +30 FPS, if it's FUDGLY +30 FPS...ffs.

So it's not enough to do any REAL gaming...so what do you use the GPU for?

 

[Nemesis 1]

So, If 35W Trinity is 20-30% faster on avg than 45W IB, then it will be 30-50% faster than 35W IB.

I know, disappointing

Your good at projecting numbers befor results . Its after results are shown than you move on to other arguments . 50% thats a laugh. IB made up big ground on trinity in graphics. Haswell will put into the lead. you won't see an amd apu on 22nm until 2014 or late 2013. than the other fabs will have to deal with the heat issues 22nm brings. trinity is about half of what this forum said it would be . intel ivb was better than this forum says even today.

 

[exar333]

Nice catch but useless with stubborned people...

Just look at the posts following yours , with people
boasting about a 45W IB Gfx perfs compared to a 35W Trinity
without even noticing that with 10 watts more that could be
dedicated to the 7660 GPU , Trinity graphics perfs would
increase by about 50%.....

45w and 35w, yet they both essentially have competitive battery life. Those numbers really do not mean anything. You have measured power usage, battery life, and performance. Likely, both platforms use similar power.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Your good at projecting numbers befor results . Its after results are shown than you move on to other arguments . 50% thats a laugh. IB made up big ground on trinity in graphics. Haswell will put into the lead. you won't see an amd apu on 22nm until 2014 or late 2013. than the other fabs will have to deal with the heat issues 22nm brings. trinity is about half of what this forum said it would be . intel ivb was better than this forum says even today.

Just wait...the next "AMD's next CPU will fix all flaws..and heal the dead" thread appears any second now.

When a freaking IGP gets touted as the best feature in a CPU...you know the CPU has failed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

well, gpu performance is kinda lame....i was expecting more

but i am impressed with baterry...
"In fact, looking at the normalized charts, the only laptops that can consistently beat Trinity are found in Sandy Bridge ultrabooks"

RCM > 22nm

AMD showed the same type of battery life with bravo when AT did that preview . That didn't work out all that well.

 

[Olikan]

AMD showed the same type of battery life with bravo when AT did that preview . That didn't work out all that well.

oh....didnt knew that :\

anyway, i still think that it's a good product... you lose 20% cpu to gain 20% gpu

price will be the most important thing here, IMO...

 

[AtenRa]

Really?!
Look at the settings...I don't care about +30 FPS, if it's FUDGLY +30 FPS...ffs.

So it's not enough to do any REAL gaming...so what do you use the GPU for?

People play games in consoles with worst Image Quality than what Trinity can output in Laptops.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Just wait...the next "AMD's next CPU will fix all flaws..and heal the dead" thread appears any second now.

When a freaking IGP gets touted as the best feature in a CPU...you know the CPU has failed.

These aren't just CPUs anymore -- they're SoC's. I think everyone short changes the GPU side and overblows the CPU side.

If I were buying a relatively inexpensive laptop (and I will be), I think AMD's CPU truly is "good enough" and its better GPU is preferable because I do in fact enjoy games.

 

[AtenRa]

Your good at projecting numbers befor results . Its after results are shown than you move on to other arguments . 50% thats a laugh. IB made up big ground on trinity in graphics. Haswell will put into the lead. you won't see an amd apu on 22nm until 2014 or late 2013. than the other fabs will have to deal with the heat issues 22nm brings. trinity is about half of what this forum said it would be . intel ivb was better than this forum says even today.

I know it is hard for you to swallow the fact that Intel is second best in iGPU but be a man and acknowledge it

We will deal with Haswells iGPU next year, now Trinity is faster than HD4000.

 

[Lonbjerg]

People play games in consoles with worst Image Quality than what Trinity can output in Laptops.

"Better" than worst dosn't mean much.
Dnd funny how you keep dodging my question.
When the IGP is piss poor for gaming,...what do you do then with the IGP?

 

[laputan machine]

"Better" than worst dosn't mean much.
Dnd funny how you keep dodging my question.
When the IGP is piss poor for gaming,...what do you do then with the IGP?

Not everyone needs to game with max settings and 60 fps.

 

[MisterMac]

My color and fanboy'ism is always RED for 2012 European Basketball Champion OLYMPIAKOS

As in Basketball the same with iGPUs, no matter how close Intel is, they still are the second best. :biggrin:



Intel cannot even take the 22nm advantage and still is second best in iGPUs.



Well, HD3000 was second best, HD4000 still is second best, HD5000 will remain the second best and so on and so on.

Something else,
People say that no one playing games on Laptops but all i see is Intel trying hard to raise the iGPU performance. Ahh yes i know, they doing it for the GPGPU that all people use with their Laptops all day.

So you want to actually counter argue me?

Pathetic.
Learn to respond instead of spew crap that has no relevance.


Performance gap closed massively on the dGPU - it increased slightly on the CPU side.
Assuming non-conservative approach to AMD's increase next gen and conservative to intel.

Do the math


Ugh, he makes my gears grind and i'm going down to his level :C

 

[SlowSpyder]

Really?!
Look at the settings...I don't care about +30 FPS, if it's FUDGLY +30 FPS...ffs.

So it's not enough to do any REAL gaming...so what do you use the GPU for?

But no one is doing any 'real' gaming on $480 laptops. This is a bang for the buck part and will do well. Llano already did quite well (according to Anandtech) and Trinity improves in every area that matters... faster CPU, faster GPU, lower power use.

The problem is with this forum is that so many people only see things from the ultra enthusiast side. For some Trinity was going to be a failure unless it could run Super Pi faster than i7, which it was never meant to do. As a lower end, cheap laptop part, Trinity will do fine.

 

[Lonbjerg]

But no one is doing any 'real' gaming on $480 laptops. This is a bang for the buck part and will do well. Llano already did quite well (according to Anandtech) and Trinity improves in every area that matters... faster CPU, faster GPU, lower power use.

The problem is with this forum is that so many people only see things from the ultra enthusiast side. For some Trinity was going to be a failure unless it could run Super Pi faster than i7, which it was never meant to do. As a lower end, cheap laptop part, Trinity will do fine.

It seems this thread is full of people saying the oppostie.
That they can do real gaming with IGP's

Perhaps you hould take it up with them instead.

 

[Olikan]

We will deal with Haswells iGPU next year, now Trinity is faster than HD4000.

i doubt that kavery will beat haswell...

haswell will use crystalwell, (a GPU memory on an interposer)...
kavery will lose hard! Even if kavery uses ddr-4

the good side, is rumours tell that amd will do the same, just one generation later

 

[AtenRa]

So you want to actually counter argue me?

Pathetic.
Learn to respond instead of spew crap that has no relevance.


Performance gap closed massively on the dGPU - it increased slightly on the CPU side.
Assuming non-conservative approach to AMD's increase next gen and conservative to intel.

Do the math


Ugh, he makes my gears grind and i'm going down to his level :C

Pathetic is that you have read a review compering a 45W CPU to a 35W CPU and you actually believe that Intels HD4000 closed the gap. Even with 10W lower TDP Trinity is 20% on average faster than Intels High end 45W CPU.

Do the math again against a 35W Core i5