Originally posted by: MaxisOne
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Vic
I've always said that loyal partisanship exists solely as an expedient cover up for political corruption, and thanks for proving me right on that.
So people are supposed to ignore their own personal values in situations such as this Vic for what? a lesser of two evils scenerio...sorry, this case means little to me, I don't give one shit if she abused power to boot out her sisters ex, to me that pales in comparison to getting a socialist in the oval office, period.
Fortunately, and I mean this with all due respect, it doesn't really matter what you think or how you feel (any more than it matters what I think). The reality is that we will more than likely find out how President Obama deals with our present economic crisis, and I hope it's the right way. The situation is too calamitous to hope for him to fail. I don't know whether you're serious about wanting him to do poorly, but if you are, you're prepared to doom your children and grandchildren to a worse country in order to prove yourself right. If that's really true, you're a moron, plain and simple.
Seconded ...
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
But yet you think Borat Hussen Obama can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! social health care.Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!
You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied
If the democrats get 60 seats in the senate yes he can. He won't even have to Pelosi/Reid will do it for him. We know Obama will just rubber stamp it. Pelosi/Reid have to be happy as hell they get free run of the country because Obama won't stand up to them. They know any shitty bill they send will be rubber stamped.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Don't conflate partisan political views with the kind of radicalism you're espousing. It's one thing to say you support McCain, and an entirely different thing to want Obama to fail as President (just as, in the last go-round, you wanted to see Kerry impeached). I don't really care about your views, but I won't let their radicalism escape comment. If McCain wins, God bless him but I won't find it funny, nor will I wish him ill. I guess at the end of the day I think your need to be perceived as (in your words) "sensational" is pathetic.
Originally posted by: Eeezee
You're honestly hoping that our country gets worse after Obama becomes president?
Wow... have you always hated this country, or did you just start wishing for it to get worse when it looked like the Democrats were going to win? To wish harm upon your nation in this way is nothing short of treason. Please realize this and please rethink your position.
Originally posted by: bozack
Jeeze, I don't need to be percieved as anything Don...I am just that way, always have been, guess I am just at one with my nature...
Originally posted by: Muse
You know what? You underestimate Pelosi. She's not a shit or a power-drunk power broker. She's only recently Majority Leader. Maybe you prefer Newt Gingrich, a real animal.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.
There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.
Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Don't conflate partisan political views with the kind of radicalism you're espousing. It's one thing to say you support McCain, and an entirely different thing to want Obama to fail as President (just as, in the last go-round, you wanted to see Kerry impeached). I don't really care about your views, but I won't let their radicalism escape comment. If McCain wins, God bless him but I won't find it funny, nor will I wish him ill. I guess at the end of the day I think your need to be perceived as (in your words) "sensational" is pathetic.
Jeeze, I don't need to be percieved as anything Don...I am just that way, always have been, guess I am just at one with my nature...
Originally posted by: Perknose
This is a sad public meltdown by you, Bo, which I am not happy to see. I hope you are really a better person than you think you are.
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Fair enough, but I think your sentiments this time are just as retarded as they were last time (when you said you wanted to see a President Kerry impeached as soon as possible after his election). I like you in many ways, but your jackassiness is hard to get past. Ultimately, I like our candidate a lot better this time around, and as shitty a President as Bush has been, I think a McCain-Palin ticket is not electable in our present economic climate. If I end up eating my words, fine, and God knows I'd rather have a President McCain than a President Bush.
Don, it almost reads as if your surprised that you think my sentiments are just as "retarded" (Nice BTW) this time as last time...were you hoping for some kind of revelation on my part or something? it isnt like I expected or hoped or even cared if you came around to my point of view...
thats what makes this whole thing interesting IMHO, the simple fact that you can think my views are stupid as ever and that I can think that your candidates/stances just aren't even close to representing my needs/values...
The difference between us is that I don't care if you change your mind and I accept that people have their opinions which generally don't change...also like you said, I am a jackass, admittedly so...I do and say things to be as sensational as possible just because.
Personally I think you're right, your the stars have all aligned for your guy and its looking good, but then again it would be pretty damn sad and funny if he loses.
Originally posted by: bozack
Unfortunately true, I hate this state with a passion and would love to move out, unfortunately for me my wife likes her job too much in this cesspool.
But count me as one who won't be voting Obama...
If a Republicans suggested that it was destiny that McCain win they would be called a religious nut.Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.
There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.
Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.
I honestly think it was destiny that Obama wins, and as such a Republican collapse of epic proportions isn't surprising. The severe economic crisis is another symptom of all this. I'm not saying it's the same as God giving Moses the tabernacle and laying waste to the philistines, but I do see parallels.
Originally posted by: Ballatician
With that being said, why do you hate your state so much for being overwhelmingly democratic? Why don't you participate in politics or try to make your voice heard if you don't agree with something? It really bothers me when people pick where they want to live based on which major party is popular. I don't know if that's what you're doing here but that type of thinking contributes to polarization and is an admission that you are a closed-minded individual who can't tolerate other viewpoints.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If a Republicans suggested that it was destiny that McCain win they would be called a religious nut.
I guess this shows that their are nuts on both sides.
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Ballatician
With that being said, why do you hate your state so much for being overwhelmingly democratic? Why don't you participate in politics or try to make your voice heard if you don't agree with something? It really bothers me when people pick where they want to live based on which major party is popular. I don't know if that's what you're doing here but that type of thinking contributes to polarization and is an admission that you are a closed-minded individual who can't tolerate other viewpoints.
No point here, have seen a few others try and get washed out by the machine already in place on the lower level.
As for picking where to live, I enjoyed living in Northern VA and working in DC, just inside the beltway and really great for work and healthy discussion, but my wife just couldn't work there with what she does for a living, thus it was either SanDiego (Ouch), North Carolina (No thanks though in retrospect not that bad), Delaware (no no no), or where I am now...family was here so it was the easy choice...but from a government/taxation standpoint I really don't like the state at all...though I do find it interesting how segregated this state is in terms of wealth and power given that it is so liberal...one would think they can and would do more to level the playing field but it really seems like they beat the crap out of the middle to upper middle class.
Oh please...Originally posted by: her209
Good-bye 2012.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Under the circumstances, if any Republicans STILL think McCain is destined to win the election, I have a couple of bridges to sell them and some fine, un-bailed out sub-prime mortgages to finance them.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.
There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.
Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.
Originally posted by: Ballatician
I don't know how it is in Boston but from my young viewpoint, very few of the old players in either party actually care about the middle class and at the end of the day they are all politicians however you want to take that.
However in this election, in Obama's tax plan, I see a commitment for some relief to the middle class and that to me is the right step. I know you don't agree with his tax plan but in light of current economic conditions, McCain's will only serve to further the gap between rich and poor.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Oh please...Originally posted by: her209
Good-bye 2012.
This is minor and will be totally forgotten by 2012.
What will matter between now and then is how she conducts herself as governor of Alaska for the next 4 years and how she educates herself about world events.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ Dude have you seen the crowds and the response she gets??
She is a rock star within the party. People won't care about this in 4 years. By then she can admit that she made some mistakes and shouldn't have done a few things that she did.
And people will forgive and forget.
Except the Democrats of course who will ignore any problems of their candidates, but claim that this disqualifies her from office.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ Dude have you seen the crowds and the response she gets??
She is a rock star within the party. People won't care about this in 4 years. By then she can admit that she made some mistakes and shouldn't have done a few things that she did.
And people will forgive and forget.
Except the Democrats of course who will ignore any problems of their candidates, but claim that this disqualifies her from office.