Troopergate Released

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: techs
Will Palin address the issue on SNL?
Gotta wonder how late they are staying at Fox to figure out how to spin this.

Nah, it's easy. Ignore that the real report exists. Make a news segment about the report that clears Palin, saying that an expert panel (Palin and some other people) has cleared her name.

Done and done. Most FOX News viewers don't watch or read anything else, so they will never know the difference. Classic FOX

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: MaxisOne

Seconded ...

IF the guy fails in four then I would seriously hope that isn't enough to damn generations to come, but then again I am spiteful enough not to care just to prove my point....but this conversation between Don and I seems all too familiar, hopefully for you guys history doesn't repeat itself yet again as that would be one serious upset.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: quest55720

If the democrats get 60 seats in the senate yes he can. He won't even have to Pelosi/Reid will do it for him. We know Obama will just rubber stamp it. Pelosi/Reid have to be happy as hell they get free run of the country because Obama won't stand up to them. They know any shitty bill they send will be rubber stamped.

Can I get an amen then again it isnt that he wouldn't stand up to it...rather that he wants it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Vic
My big issue is that we have yet another corrupt and opaque government like we have had, like you've supported, and like you're yet again supporting right here.

With the big government failures of the Bush administration, this argument is no longer about big govt vs. small govt. That's just a partisan duh-version for the Pubs that has long ago worn thin. What it's really about what kind of big govt you want. You are not a small government supporter if you're backing McCain in light of all this.

I am not an optimist Vic, I don't think Obama will be any better in this regard and the only reason in my mind we don't see as much or any issues of a similar nature is because of his short time doing anything relevant....

You're right about govt and its size, I think one can be in favor of small govt and also support McCain but realize that he isn't an ideal candidate....I don't like Obama's tax plan nor do I like his stance on healthcare...other than that I don't really care, thus those two issues push me towards McCain...but the rose colored messiah worship of the big O make me like the guy even less, and honestly makes me hope he falls on his face if he gets in..nothing is that good, no matter how many people talk it up...period.

I appreciate what you're saying here, but wake up, guy. You're supporting a candidate who has intentionally sought to cover up an instance of abuse of power... because you're afraid the other guy might be worse. Does that make sense? How else do you think your Republicans have managed to grow govt as they have except through this kind of abuse and corruption? Or is this just your own St. Sarah worship? I dunno, I honestly don't get it. I don't believe in parties, I believe in America.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied

But yet you think Borat Hussen Obama can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! social health care.

But yet you think John Sidney McCain can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! We will be safe from terror, financial crises, lobbyists, Iran, Russia, and moths.

Oh wait, McCain can't snap his fingers, or think critically. I heard that he lost the ability to do so after being savagely beaten as a P.O.W.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.

There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.

Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: MaxisOne

Seconded ...

IF the guy fails in four then I would seriously hope that isn't enough to damn generations to come, but then again I am spiteful enough not to care just to prove my point....but this conversation between Don and I seems all too familiar, hopefully for you guys history doesn't repeat itself yet again as that would be one serious upset.

Fair enough, but I think your sentiments this time are just as retarded as they were last time (when you said you wanted to see a President Kerry impeached as soon as possible after his election). I like you in many ways, but your jackassiness is hard to get past. Ultimately, I like our candidate a lot better this time around, and as shitty a President as Bush has been, I think a McCain-Palin ticket is not electable in our present economic climate. If I end up eating my words, fine, and God knows I'd rather have a President McCain than a President Bush.

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Vic
My big issue is that we have yet another corrupt and opaque government like we have had, like you've supported, and like you're yet again supporting right here.

With the big government failures of the Bush administration, this argument is no longer about big govt vs. small govt. That's just a partisan duh-version for the Pubs that has long ago worn thin. What it's really about what kind of big govt you want. You are not a small government supporter if you're backing McCain in light of all this.

I am not an optimist Vic, I don't think Obama will be any better in this regard and the only reason in my mind we don't see as much or any issues of a similar nature is because of his short time doing anything relevant....

You're right about govt and its size, I think one can be in favor of small govt and also support McCain but realize that he isn't an ideal candidate....I don't like Obama's tax plan nor do I like his stance on healthcare...other than that I don't really care, thus those two issues push me towards McCain...but the rose colored messiah worship of the big O make me like the guy even less, and honestly makes me hope he falls on his face if he gets in..nothing is that good, no matter how many people talk it up...period.

I appreciate what you're saying here, but wake up, guy. You're supporting a candidate who has intentionally sought to cover up an instance of abuse of power... because you're afraid the other guy might be worse. Does that make sense? How else do you think your Republicans have managed to grow govt as they have except through this kind of abuse and corruption? Or is this just your own St. Sarah worship? I dunno, I honestly don't get it. I don't believe in parties, I believe in America.

YES.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied

But yet you think Borat Hussen Obama can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! social health care.

The irony here is that Obama has no intentions of creating a socialized health care system even if he had the power to do so (which he never would anyway, it's not like the AMA, the hospitals, and the health insurance industry would allow themselves to be nationalized).

All this is FUD FUD FUD.

Now we might end up with a "RomneyCare" like system like they have in Mass., but IMO that's likely even if McCain wins.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied

But yet you think Borat Hussen Obama can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! social health care.

But yet you think John Sidney McCain can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! We will be safe from terror, financial crises, lobbyists, Iran, Russia, and moths.

Oh wait, McCain can't snap his fingers, or think critically. I heard that he lost the ability to do so after being savagely beaten as a P.O.W.

Second person in this thread going after the wrong guy. What I think McCain can do is keep a useless war going on for 8 more years.. and he can given the title.

 

[daclayman]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
In other news, Palin is almost certainly the worst VP candidate on a major party ticket in my lifetime . . .

'....Goveror, you're no Dan Quayle.'

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.

There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.

Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.

Nope this will just push the republican party further right. In 4 years the argument will be they put up a moderate and got killed. So they will put up someone who makes Palin look moderate. It will mean atleast another 12 years of no party for me.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Vic
I appreciate what you're saying here, but wake up, guy. You're supporting a candidate who has intentionally sought to cover up an instance of abuse of power... because you're afraid the other guy might be worse. Does that make sense? How else do you think your Republicans have managed to grow govt as they have except through this kind of abuse and corruption? Or is this just your own St. Sarah worship? I dunno, I honestly don't get it. I don't believe in parties, I believe in America.

Vic, even if I did agree with you, which I do I just choose not to care as I feel everyone in the political arena is corrupt in some way shape or form, the reality is that it wouldnt make me feel like a better person or like I was doing the right thing voting for Obama....

Like I said, I crossed party lines recently in local govt and was pretty disappointed, and I voted for a candidate that pitched himself much like Obama is now...candidate of change and hope...his slogan was "together we can"...a few fancy cars and expensive draperies later he has done nothing for this state to make it any better

I see too much of him in Obama, and it turns me off, so yes I do think that McCain for me is the lesser of two evils, hence my position and vote...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her.

McCain's credibility is shot regardless of whether she stays or goes. He and his campaign staff were aware of the situation before he chose her. Either way, it shows piss poor judgment on many levels.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her.

McCain's credibility is shot regardless of whether she stays or goes. He and his campaign staff were aware of the situation before he chose her. Either way, it shows piss poor judgment on many levels.

Yeah, this one is in the bag now.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Second person in this thread going after the wrong guy. What I think McCain can do is keep a useless war going on for 8 more years.. and he can given the title.

Can you please pass the crack pipe when you're done

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: daclayman

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
In other news, Palin is almost certainly the worst VP candidate on a major party ticket in my lifetime . . .

'....Goveror, you're no Dan Quayle.'

Palin is Quayle + quite a bit of interpersonal charm and - the relevant experience. She is ultimately an even less credible VP in my opinion (and I was, by about two weeks, old enough to vote in the 1988 election).

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied

But yet you think Borat Hussen Obama can walk in, snap his fingers and boom! social health care.

The irony here is that Obama has no intentions of creating a socialized health care system even if he had the power to do so (which he never would anyway, it's not like the AMA, the hospitals, and the health insurance industry would allow themselves to be nationalized).

All this is FUD FUD FUD.

Now we might end up with a "RomneyCare" like system like they have in Mass., but IMO that's likely even if McCain wins.

Obama and the democrats can what ever they want if they get 60 seats. They just change the laws to make it impossible for insurance companies to survive. Once the insurance companies give up they pass medicare level coverage for all. If the hospitals/AMA don't like it to bad because the choice is government or go out of business.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Vic
The irony here is that Obama has no intentions of creating a socialized health care system even if he had the power to do so (which he never would anyway, it's not like the AMA, the hospitals, and the health insurance industry would allow themselves to be nationalized).

All this is FUD FUD FUD.

Now we might end up with a "RomneyCare" like system like they have in Mass., but IMO that's likely even if McCain wins.

I use socialized to be sensational but I do think that a Mass care style system is most likely what will be pushed, shitty expensive health care plans that hurts people who do contract work the most...those who make just enough to get screwed by the plan by paying alot more for the mandatory coverage and it brings their wages down to the same level as those managing a McDonalds.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Hugh H

Originally posted by: alchemize
Last nail, meet coffin.

I always thought this election would be about who fucked up the least

Obama hasn't really fucked up much. He has run one of the best executed campaigns I've ever seen.

"clinging to guns and religion" quote almost sank him.

How ironic that telling the truth has hurt him the most.

Very true. Ayers is the only card the Repubs can play now, guilt by association and tenuous at that. Palin's sin (and Todd's) is much more egregious.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: bozack
I still find myself falling in line with what McCain and the republicans are pushing from a policy standpoint than I do the socialized offering Obama is putting up.

So you are firmly in favor of McCain's idea to spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of your money to buy up all the bad mortgages at face value?

THAT'S not Socialism to you?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's not hundreds of millions, that's hundreds of billions!

 

[Perknose]

At the end of the day, this report's conclusion is damning evidence that Sarah Palin in simply not fit to hold to hold national office.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Fair enough, but I think your sentiments this time are just as retarded as they were last time (when you said you wanted to see a President Kerry impeached as soon as possible after his election). I like you in many ways, but your jackassiness is hard to get past. Ultimately, I like our candidate a lot better this time around, and as shitty a President as Bush has been, I think a McCain-Palin ticket is not electable in our present economic climate. If I end up eating my words, fine, and God knows I'd rather have a President McCain than a President Bush.

Don, it almost reads as if your surprised that you think my sentiments are just as "retarded" (Nice BTW) this time as last time...were you hoping for some kind of revelation on my part or something? it isnt like I expected or hoped or even cared if you came around to my point of view...

thats what makes this whole thing interesting IMHO, the simple fact that you can think my views are stupid as ever and that I can think that your candidates/stances just aren't even close to representing my needs/values...

The difference between us is that I don't care if you change your mind and I accept that people have their opinions which generally don't change...also like you said, I am a jackass, admittedly so...I do and say things to be as sensational as possible just because.

Personally I think you're right, your the stars have all aligned for your guy and its looking good, but then again it would be pretty damn sad and funny if he loses.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Vic
My big issue is that we have yet another corrupt and opaque government like we have had, like you've supported, and like you're yet again supporting right here.

With the big government failures of the Bush administration, this argument is no longer about big govt vs. small govt. That's just a partisan duh-version for the Pubs that has long ago worn thin. What it's really about what kind of big govt you want. You are not a small government supporter if you're backing McCain in light of all this.

I am not an optimist Vic, I don't think Obama will be any better in this regard and the only reason in my mind we don't see as much or any issues of a similar nature is because of his short time doing anything relevant....

You're right about govt and its size, I think one can be in favor of small govt and also support McCain but realize that he isn't an ideal candidate....I don't like Obama's tax plan nor do I like his stance on healthcare...other than that I don't really care, thus those two issues push me towards McCain...but the rose colored messiah worship of the big O make me like the guy even less, and honestly makes me hope he falls on his face if he gets in[/B=..nothing is that good, no matter how many people talk it up...period.

You're honestly hoping that our country gets worse after Obama becomes president?

Wow... have you always hated this country, or did you just start wishing for it to get worse when it looked like the Democrats were going to win? To wish harm upon your nation in this way is nothing short of treason. Please realize this and please rethink your position.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: bozack

Don, it almost reads as if your surprised that you think my sentiments are just as "retarded" (Nice BTW) this time as last time...were you hoping for some kind of revelation on my part or something? it isnt like I expected or hoped or even cared if you came around to my point of view...

thats what makes this whole thing interesting IMHO, the simple fact that you can think my views are stupid as ever and that I can think that your candidates/stances just aren't even close to representing my needs/values...

The difference between us is that I don't care if you change your mind and I accept that people have their opinions which generally don't change...also like you said, I am a jackass, admittedly so...I do and say things to be as sensational as possible just because.

Personally I think you're right, your the stars have all aligned for your guy and its looking good, but then again it would be pretty damn sad and funny if he loses.

Don't conflate partisan political views with the kind of radicalism you're espousing. It's one thing to say you support McCain, and an entirely different thing to want Obama to fail as President (just as, in the last go-round, you wanted to see Kerry impeached). I don't really care about your views, but I won't let their radicalism escape comment. If McCain wins, God bless him but I won't find it funny, nor will I wish him ill. I guess at the end of the day I think your need to be perceived as (in your words) "sensational" is pathetic.