Troopergate Released

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.

There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.

Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.

This is not the October surprise

I would not be surprised if the General Election is postponed.

Why in the world would they postpone the election?

 

[ProfJohn]

Not yet Don, but we are getting close.

I don't think McCain is willing to take the actions it takes to win. Specifically he seems to have placed Rev Wright off limits.

It may be an ugly story, but it may also help him win the election. I see McCain following in Dole's footsteps of losing respectably, although it has been an awful ugly election already.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Abused her power" to fire a guy the report says she had the right to fire? Violated ethics laws? The law states that you have to have personal gain for it to be a violation of the law etc.

And the "personal gain" she illegally pursued, the firing of Trooper Wooten, is fully outlined in the report. You should really read it.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
So are you conceding that this election is already lost for your party?

Honestly if McCain and Palin blow it in Nov then you can quote me as saying I wouldn't want her running again ever...what is the point, I don't think she is a good choice now as evidenced by all this crap, she won't be any better down the road and is tainted....they should move on to something new/better period.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
At the end of the day will have no effect on the election.

I doubt any Republicans are going to change sides due to this.
And I doubt the Democrats will try to use this issue to attack McCain.

"Abused her power" to fire a guy the report says she had the right to fire? Violated ethics laws? The law states that you have to have personal gain for it to be a violation of the law etc.

PJ,

Liberals never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Apparently they seem to think that you can't fire an abusive brother-in-law who didn't do his job because.. he's your brother-in-law. I thought libs were the ones screaming cronyism every other day..

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: crisscross
So what happens now? is there a chance that she pulls out of the race?

No. It isn't bad enough for that and the base loves her. It would be like taking crack cocaine from a crack addict.

-Robert

hmmm well it is quite bad isn't it? if she abused her power as a governor imagine what she would do as a VP?

OOOOOO......:Q An Amazon version of Dick da Prick Cheney. Yep, just what McCain needs. He'll be henpecked at home and at the office.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
At the end of the day will have no effect on the election.

I doubt any Republicans are going to change sides due to this.
And I doubt the Democrats will try to use this issue to attack McCain.

"Abused her power" to fire a guy the report says she had the right to fire? Violated ethics laws? The law states that you have to have personal gain for it to be a violation of the law etc.

PJ,

Liberals never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Apparently they seem to think that you can't fire an abusive brother-in-law who didn't do his job because.. he's your brother-in-law. I thought libs were the ones screaming cronyism every other day..

OH, the ironing! Yours is the weakest, stupidest, blindest, most cookie-cutter bullshit partisan cliche spewing upchuck of ignorance of the day.

Congratulations, you twerp tool. :|

READ THE F*CKING REPORT, TOOL!

A 263-page report released by lawmakers in Alaska on Friday, found that Ms. Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, had herself exerted pressure to get Trooper Michael Wooten dismissed, as well as allowed her husband and subordinates to press for his firing, as a result of a divorce proceeding between him and Ms. Palin?s sister in 2005.

?Such impermissible and repeated contacts,? the report states, ?create conflicts of interests for subordinate employees who must choose to either please a superior or run the risk of facing that superior?s displeasure and the possible consequences of that displeasure.? The report concludes that the action was a violation of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

In the report, the independent investigator, Stephen E. Branchflower, a former prosecutor in Anchorage, said that Ms. Palin wrongfully allowed her husband, Todd, to use state resources as part of the effort to have Trooper Wooten dismissed.

The report says she knowingly ?permitted Todd Palin to use the governor?s office and the resources of the governor?s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.?

Further, it says, she ?knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda.?

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm back. This is all over the news. Even fox has she "Abused her power" on the front page. She is finished as a VP entity. McCain cannot expect to win from behind with a VP pick like her. And he cannot possibly replace her at this point.

There is that counter point about "proper", but it's somewhat confusing. The abuse of power is the sticking point and it will be played over and over and over. We have a self-righteous person who's now found "in violation of the public trust". There is simply no way to spin it.

Any denial McCain/Palin hopefuls had before about Obama's lead would be advised to drop it. Let it go, this one is over. Maybe in 2012 your party won't suck ass and you can put together a good candidate who doesn't throw darts at a wall of pictures when picking his VPs.

I honestly think it was destiny that Obama wins, and as such a Republican collapse of epic proportions isn't surprising. The severe economic crisis is another symptom of all this. I'm not saying it's the same as God giving Moses the tabernacle and laying waste to the philistines, but I do see parallels.

If a Republicans suggested that it was destiny that McCain win they would be called a religious nut.

I guess this shows that their are nuts on both sides.

Oh yeah? We'll see who gets the last laugh Nov. 5th.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

^ Dude have you seen the crowds and the response she gets??

She is a rock star within the party. People won't care about this in 4 years. By then she can admit that she made some mistakes and shouldn't have done a few things that she did.
And people will forgive and forget.

Except that her opponents won't let her forget. And it won't be just Democrats. The report was approved by the unanimous vote of a majority Republican Ethics Committee.

And it won't just be politicians or parties. She used her position of power in the state to damage the reputation and income of Walter Monegan, the Public Safety Commissioner she fired and defamed, and it's on the record.

Except the Democrats of course who will ignore any problems of their candidates, but claim that this disqualifies her from office.

But... but... but that's your job.

Your problem is, the spin mills writing your material keep feeding you made up stuff and diversions. They work to a point, but with Palin, you simply can't generate enough smoke to cover the stench rising from their very public crash site.

Reality's a bitch, but here it is. :light:

 

[nageov3t]

I honestly think it was destiny that Bush wins, and as such a democrat collapse of epic proportions isn't surprising. The severe moral crisis is another symptom of all this. I'm not saying it's the same as God giving Moses the tabernacle and laying waste to the philistines, but I do see parallels.

amazing.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
At the end of the day will have no effect on the election.

I doubt any Republicans are going to change sides due to this.
And I doubt the Democrats will try to use this issue to attack McCain.

"Abused her power" to fire a guy the report says she had the right to fire? Violated ethics laws? The law states that you have to have personal gain for it to be a violation of the law etc.

PJ,

Liberals never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Apparently they seem to think that you can't fire an abusive brother-in-law who didn't do his job because.. he's your brother-in-law. I thought libs were the ones screaming cronyism every other day..

Liberals also dislike hiring loyalists and high school classmates whose "love of cows" qualified them to run a Department of Agriculture. Silly liberals.. Harriet Myers and Alberto Gonzalez were certainly the most qualified individuals as was Palin's high school cow-loving buddy.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ Dude have you seen the crowds and the response she gets??

She is a rock star within the party. People won't care about this in 4 years. By then she can admit that she made some mistakes and shouldn't have done a few things that she did.
And people will forgive and forget.

Except the Democrats of course who will ignore any problems of their candidates, but claim that this disqualifies her from office.

She WAS a rock star because right now the Republican party is desperate...
Just think how hard it was for most of the base just to choose McCain in the first place!

To be concise, her 15 minutes are now officially up...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
In other news, Palin is almost certainly the worst VP candidate on a major party ticket in my lifetime . . .

As if that wasn't clear the moment she opened her mouth...

 

[jpeyton]

Front paged on all major news sites...CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NYT...

 

[Hugh H]

Those of you that are thinking Palin will be the Republican nominee in 2012 will be dissapointed. She has absolutely zero appeal to moderates, let alone Democrats. In fact, she moved most of the remaining Hillary supporters that were on the fence towards Barack Obama. Her only appeal is with the "base".

In all the polls I've seen, she is the one with the most unfavorables out of the four candidates. I highly doubt she would make it through a Republican primary.

 

[Harvey]

< mod mode >

HEY!!! I want to say something as a Mod, here, then get back to posting....

This is possibly a deal making/breaking moment in history that will be worth discussing for awhile.

I'm not in the middle of this other dust up so I'd like to suggest that everyone get over this for now and get back to the topic. Calling out a mod, or arguing about it can just derail a good discussion about serious issues.

If that's what you have in mind, I can't stop you, and whichever mods are watching over this thread will deal with it. I'm just posting.

< /mod mode >

 

[AAman]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/ms...egislative_council.pdf , sorry lost track of whether or not the report link was actually posted (hey it's late Friday night and I'm tired) ? Pages 65-67 ream Palin and state the abuse of power broke state ethics law...Palin the gift that keeps on giving- to the Dems

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Front paged on all major news sites...CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NYT...

thank god there are no other more important news stories than some chick who lost her run for VP firing a guy in a one-horse town in the Alaskan backwaters.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Are you rooting for an immediate impeachment if Obama is elected, like you were with Kerry? That made me livid four years ago . . .

That would be funny if it did happen but no, I just will hope that he lives up to my expectation of sucking.

That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

Gotta love the "If my guy doesn't win, Fuck America" type of attitude...

Besides, look around...America's financial industry is in a shambles, the economy is on the verge of crashing and burning, unemployment is rising, companies are closing left & right...How could Obama do much worse for the USA than Bush already has?
Almost ANYTHING Obama does would be an improvement over the past 8 years...

(this coming from a life-long conservative Democrat who really doesn't like Obama, but will PROBABLY vote for him because I dislike him less than I dislike McSame.)

Originally posted by: quest55720
I could not care one bit about this. The alternative is worse than Palin. I don't want to see Nancy Pelosi have free reign over this country.

Then you've got to FEAR the possibility of McSame dying while in office. Palin would accend to the Presidency...and Pelosi would become the new Vice President...oh my!

 

[jpeyton]

Nothing to see here folks.

Palin released her own report last night, which cleared her of any wrongdoing.

 

[Hugh H]

The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

What's the expression, don't walk around naked in glass houses? lol, I can't remember it.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

or at the very least, don't attack your opponent's integrity when they've got the media in their pockets and the only coverage of attacks on them is in regards to how the attacks negatively reflect on the attackers.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: aphex
What's the expression, don't walk around naked in glass houses? lol, I can't remember it.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

 

[Hugh H]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

or at the very least, don't attack your opponent's integrity when they've got the media in their pockets and the only coverage of attacks on them is in regards to how the attacks negatively reflect on the attackers.

Ermmm... worst economic period since the Great Depression, and the McCain campaign wants to change the subject on that by going hardcore negative on your opponent (and enticing people to say some powerful hate rethoric along the process)

Of course it will look bad on the attacker... stop blaming the media.