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thedosbox

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The problem is calling this "abuse" in the first place.

She got up on a soap box in the center of town and started telling a bunch of insulting lies after stealing money from them...
She does not have the right to cry 'abuse' when the townsfolk start hurling vegetables at her.

ACCOUNTABILITY.

Ah, another person who justifies this kind of abuse because someone points out a few bad things with their hobby.



Welcome to my ignore list.
 

Blue_Max

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Jul 7, 2011
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Ah, another person who justifies this kind of abuse because someone points out a few bad things with their hobby.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Just as well, since it would appear a rational conversation would be impossible. I expect accountability, you expect total freedom from responsibility for one's actions, which is what feminism is all about.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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The fact that only 3 people in this whole thread fell for this victim manufacturing nonsense warms my heart. AT gamers are wise to the game.
 

RampantAndroid

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What's surprising here? I see nothing to chase her from her home.




I view her as mostly being a publicity stunt. We're talking about the "feminist" here who took Hitman, looked at the area where some women are putting on makeup that you're MEANT to sneak by (and most playthroughs of that level online DO sneak by) and asserted that the game was all about abusing women.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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As expected, there have been no police reports filed in connection with all the "threats" AS has received.
Difficult to get the cops all hot and bothered over the fact that some kids on the Internet weren't nice to you.

There is a market for comics/graphic novels for women and girls. In Japan, there is manga for every demographic so there is no reason why it can't be the same here.

I'm inclined to tell people like her that instead of complaining so much, complain a little and actually go out and make games/comics/etc.

It's like women who complain about the lack of female engineers, and then go out and get sociology degrees.
Well said.
 

master_shake_

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Ah, another person who justifies this kind of abuse because someone points out a few bad things with their hobby.



Welcome to my ignore list.

isn't this what people do when people try to point out obvious faults in ones argument?

it's the same as louder is not more right.

just shut everyone off and stay in your little bubble, right?
 

nehalem256

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I view her as mostly being a publicity stunt. We're talking about the "feminist" here who took Hitman, looked at the area where some women are putting on makeup that you're MEANT to sneak by (and most playthroughs of that level online DO sneak by) and asserted that the game was all about abusing women.


(1) Not sure why you put feminist in quotes. That is pretty much how all feminists act. Oh look millions of men got sent off to die in a war, but the handful of people who made that choice to go to war were men therefore men are so privileged!

(2) Is it her fault that most people don't share her creepy stripper killing fantasies?
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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isn't this what people do when people try to point out obvious faults in ones argument?

it's the same as louder is not more right.

just shut everyone off and stay in your little bubble, right?

Seems to work for some in politics, but this isn't a political thread so I won't go down that road.

()
 

thedosbox

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Oct 16, 2009
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What's surprising here? I see nothing to chase her from her home.

Yes, because I was about to repeat the death threats and get myself banned. They were samples of the sexist abuse she was receiving even before the death threats. Hence, y'know, the graphic in the bottom right corner.



So anonymity somehow makes death threats (where her address was posted) and people posting child porn on her timeline acceptable?

I view her as mostly being a publicity stunt.

That was kind of the point.
 

alcoholbob

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May 24, 2005
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So anonymity somehow makes death threats (where her address was posted) and people posting child porn on her timeline acceptable?

Except there is no anonymity on the internet, law enforcement can easily track you and they do when people file police reports of online death threats. The problem is quite often when the police get involved they find out the victim was the one who wrote the death threat, which is why many of the claims no longer get reported because lying to the police is a felony and cultural marxists find they don't like prison time very much.
 

Blue_Max

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Jul 7, 2011
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Person A hurls a bunch of insults and lies at a target group, steals money from supporters.

Target group AND some of the financiers hurl insults right back at Person A.


If Person A is male he is told, "That's what you get for insulting, lying, and stealing - you deserve worse punishment than worthless electronic words and completely hollow threats."

If Person A is female she is told, "You poor thing! No one should get that kind of abuse! Those bad people should be punished for the awful things they said to you!"



...so much for equality, eh?
 

Cerb

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Aug 26, 2000
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Person A was given money from supporters. No stealing went on (though there is the whole unattributed video use thing...).

And no, no one deserves possible threat of harm for twisting 90% of their used content to match their views, for any views which themselves are not threatening (FI, exceptions for white supremacists might be deserved).

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thedosbox

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Person A was given money from supporters. No stealing went on (though there is the whole unattributed video use thing...).

Right, the people she's accountable to are the people who funded her. Anyone who doesn't like the content of her videos are welcome to fund their own.

And no, no one deserves possible threat of harm for twisting 90% of their used content to match their views, for any views which themselves are not threatening (FI, exceptions for white supremacists might be deserved).

Precisely. Unfortunately the atmosphere created by these attacks encouraged one scumbag (note the emphasis - this was not a concerted gamergate effort) to post illegal pictures of children to her timeline. And before anyone asks, no I'm not going to provide proof. If your sick sense of curiosity extends that far, go look on the escapist forum for Friday night.
 

Cerb

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Right, the people she's accountable to are the people who funded her. Anyone who doesn't like the content of her videos are welcome to fund their own.


Regardless, though, backers after she exceeded her goal knew the goal had been exceeded, and had no expectation that the dded money would be going to other projects, plus there wasn't too much additional production value to create. There was no stealing, merely people willing to give her that much money to do what she did, and/or support her in general.
 

thedosbox

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Regardless, though, backers after she exceeded her goal knew the goal had been exceeded, and had no expectation that the dded money would be going to other projects, plus there wasn't too much additional production value to create. There was no stealing, merely people willing to give her that much money to do what she did, and/or support her in general.

Right, but that doesn't fit the narrative of those who want her to shut up. It's the same with the claims about ZQ sleeping with five guys. Even though the timeline that led to that claim was corrected by the ex-boyfriend, it's still doing the rounds as "fact".

Kinda hilarious given the claims about wanting journalistic integrity.
 

norseamd

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The problem is that Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian as well as the journalists are creating a climate of hate and fear against those who disagree with their political vitriol which is meant to primarily serve themselves. What if Hitler never did anything to the Jews physically but only preached a culture of hate and genocide against the Jews? Would we consider him innocent?
 

norseamd

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Sigh.

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies[citation needed], if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.
While falling foul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[10] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by Glenn Greenwald.[11]
 

BoberFett

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Hey thedosbox, clearly that image showing TWENTY SEVEN sexist pigs means there's a horrible cultural problem affecting MILLIONS of people.

I've put together an image of my own to illustrate the magnitude of the problem. I've colored this picture red to indicate the number of abusive, sexist jerks that are attacking women.



 

Cerb

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Right, but that doesn't fit the narrative of those who want her to shut up.
Really? Because I would call myself amongst that number. That does not justify attempting to retcon reality, though.
 

Blue_Max

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Regardless, though, backers after she exceeded her goal knew the goal had been exceeded, and had no expectation that the dded money would be going to other projects, plus there wasn't too much additional production value to create. There was no stealing, merely people willing to give her that much money to do what she did, and/or support her in general.

I don't agree with your premise. You're saying they just threw money at her that she could spend as she pleases (like those $1000 shoes on her blog?)

I, and many others, feel that money was meant for the purpose of creating her hate-spewing videos, not "lifestyle support".

Now, semantics aside... still think she's being "abuuused" over getting the same backlash EVERYONE ELSE GETS for being political on the interwebs?

The Amazing Athiest gets the same kind of hate mail every day... should he run fleeing from his home, crying to the media about the bad, bad people coming to get him?

For a woman whose career is based on "battling sexism", she sure enjoys it when it benefits her. :hmm:
 
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jruchko

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I don't agree with your premise. You're saying they just threw money at her that she could spend as she pleases (like those $1000 shoes on her blog?)

I, and many others, feel that money was meant for the purpose of creating her hate-spewing videos, not "lifestyle support".

Now, semantics aside... still think she's being "abuuused" over getting the same backlash EVERYONE ELSE GETS for being political on the interwebs?

The Amazing Athiest gets the same kind of hate mail every day... should he run fleeing from his home, crying to the media about the bad, bad people coming to get him?

For a woman whose career is based on "battling sexism", she sure enjoys it when it benefits her. :hmm:

But she has lady parts so clearly it is only because she is sexist. Even if you make well reasoned arguments against her videos it is only your my-soggy-knee showing. If you are a woman and you make well reasoned arguments against it, that is because the patriarchy brainwashed you to not see your own oppression.
 
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