What do you think her goal is (besides the "give me money to absolve yourself of the original sin of being a male" part)?
Saying, "this is sexist, and can cause impressionable people to become sexist, or re-affirm existing sexism beliefs, even though there is no positive evidence for this," and the way she goes about it, is a lot of things, but is not equivalent to the same statement appended with, "and so should be illegal to create an sell."
My guess would be to feed a need for power, or egotism, but IANAS.What do you think her goal is (besides the "give me money to absolve yourself of the original sin of being a male" part)?
What do you think her goal is (besides the "give me money to absolve yourself of the original sin of being a male" part)?
So Borderlands 2 was highlighted in Anita Sarkeesian's series "Tropes Versus Women in Gaming", which I really like, and I'm really bummed that I fucked up and that I'm in the series. I'm not like "raaah, the series is bullshit"; it's completely legit, the reason she points out for it being problematic. […]
I think it's really bad to accept tropes, because … The problem is, you don't fall into a trope because you're hateful, or because you don't like women, or because you want to impress a particular social group or racial group or whatever. You fall into them because … the same reason you fall into any cliché, which is that they're easy.
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And that's why I think it's really important, and that Anita Sarkeesian's videos are really important, is to be aware of those tropes, because you really have to actively try to avoid tropes. They're not a thing that you just choose to do, they're something you fall into.
I won't hold my breath for female characters being portrayed any differently in the Borderlands Pre-quel, which I've already preordered.
I can't wait for a game to come out with a realistic women character! For a week out of every month, you want to avoid her. She will get paid less than her male character counterparts, of course. And! If she is attractive, she will dress for attention then complain about 90% of it, as it it not from men she wants attention from (uglies).
Yeah, you are probably right about some segment of those people, but consistently and systematically taking that path of least resistance to offense is integral to the art of trolling.
Also, I would suspect a large portion of the "death threats" are just generic "go kill yourself" and "I hope you die" type stuff.
For the benefit of those interested in what actual developers think of these videos, Anthony Burch (Gearbox writer) also acknowledged the criticism of Borderlands 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm0rrGBin5Q
I don't see anywhere that he says the tropes are detrimental to women as a gender.
What I mean is how he notes that the tropes represent lazy writing, and that we should avoid them if at all possible.
Precisely. Avoiding tropes makes for better games. Something the mouth breathers harassing her seem to think she's against. Either that, or they're happy with shitty writing. Or both.
*GASP* dosbox has just harassed us! Call the mods!!!
Seriously, there's no difference... why are feminists allowed to do exactly what they're destroying others over?
Thought I'd check whether it'd be worth taking anyone off my ignore list given the conversation has been relatively civil recently. Guess not.
For those whose first language isn't English, note the wording: "the mouth breathers harassing her". In other words, if you're participating in the harasssment, feel free to consider yourself lumped in with the "shit bags" as GoodRevrnd described them.
Having said that, I find it amusing you can't tell the difference between a death threat with a home address attached, and a broad description of a group.
Spot on, except for the women-are-paid-less myth that's been debunked hundreds of times. If anything, the numbers show that if she's in the same job as you, she's being paid 2% MORE for less work output.
her clean, temperature-controlled office job where she can show off her pretty shoes to the other women (the men don't give a crap about shoes.)
Precisely. Avoiding tropes makes for better games. Something the mouth breathers harassing her seem to think she's against. Either that, or they're happy with shitty writing. Or both.
1. Got a source?
2. Less work output? Based on what?
You don't see this as demeaning?
I work with several women, and none of them make a habit of showing off their shoes, not that there is anything particularly wrong with that.
Why do people care about what she says so much? She has an opinion and you can disagree with it, I don't see the need to endlessly bash her for it. Just ignore her and move on, anything else will just give her more attention which is what she ultimately wants.
Except that the gaming media at large latched onto her stupidity and started mindlessly regurgitating her garbage.
"Oh my god, gamers are awful people, just look at the awful things that are in games just because gamers are so awful."
Sorry, but you don't get to just ignore that and hope that your hobby isn't decimated by busybodies.
What do you mean by decimated? I'm just curious what you think will happen.
I honestly don't think her or the gaming media has much influence on publishers or devs. The "official" gaming media is a joke to begin with and they are the ones promoting whatever she is against in the first place.