"True" to PC gamers...?

[ViviTheMage]

create for PC, port to console, it's the best way .

 

[natsfan99]

I actually went out and bought a ps3 for all the choices in games. I returned it a week later. The graphics just couldn't do it for me. I am a pc gamer 100% with no going back.

 

[Skurge]

Tiresome?

Given the fact that when you walk into a Gamestop and 1% of the place is dedicated to PC gaming, I wanted to see what PC GAMERS thought the reasoning behind this is and the future of pc gaming itself...

Sorry to bore ya Mike...

Most PC games are bought online anyway (Steam, D2D, etc).

I find it odd that they seperate MMOs from PC games.

 

[Wag]

I actually went out and bought a ps3 for all the choices in games. I returned it a week later. The graphics just couldn't do it for me. I am a pc gamer 100% with no going back.

Did you try Uncharted? There are certain console games which rival, or even surpass PC games graphic-wise, and Uncharted 2 in particular is one of them.

I love my PS3 simply because it plays Blu-Ray and games which are unique to the console. Given the choice I'd go with PC games, but there are certain types of games which consoles do better.

 

[Maximilian]

Everyone understands they go where the money is... dosent mean any of us have to like it.

 

[Sinanju]

create for PC, port to console, it's the best way .

Doesn't work this way as video games are still alive thanks to consoles.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Tiresome?

Given the fact that when you walk into a Gamestop and 1% of the place is dedicated to PC gaming, I wanted to see what PC GAMERS thought the reasoning behind this is and the future of pc gaming itself...

Sorry to bore ya Mike...

The reason 1% is dedicated to PC games is because Gamestop can't resell used PC games like they do with console games. And since their real income is actually on the buying/selling of USED console games, they are dedicating most of their store to promote that side of the business. I mean, lets face it, they make a hell of a lot more buying a game back at $5 and then reselling it at $20 then they do on selling new games. That is their real income.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Did you try Uncharted? There are certain console games which rival, or even surpass PC games graphic-wise, and Uncharted 2 in particular is one of them.

I love my PS3 simply because it plays Blu-Ray and games which are unique to the console. Given the choice I'd go with PC games, but there are certain types of games which consoles do better.

As much as I love Uncharted 2, I have to say if it was on a PC it would have better graphics hands down. And the reason, jaggies. I hate them. And both the Xbox360 and PS3 suffer from them because they can't deal with doing good AA while playing smooth at 1080p (heck the Xbox360 can't even do 1080p, which to a PC gamer is pathetic, since most are playing at 1920x1200 or higher resolution with 4xAA).

 

[Red Storm]

Did you try Uncharted? There are certain console games which rival, or even surpass PC games graphic-wise, and Uncharted 2 in particular is one of them.

I love my PS3 simply because it plays Blu-Ray and games which are unique to the console. Given the choice I'd go with PC games, but there are certain types of games which consoles do better.

There are more than a few games that look better than Uncharted, and it's not even near the level of Crysis...

 

[Murdoc]

If you had a business, would you want your product to be purchased by a small percentage of the market or would you want to get as much market share as you could, while still delivering a quality product?

Most likely, I would go for the greater market share. That's generally where the greater profits exist.

Can you REALLY blame software gaming companies for "going where the money is?"

Absolutely not. Businesses exist to make money and return it to their investors / owners / shareholders.

How many of you would switch to consoles if you could purchase a mouse and keyboard that responded as well as they do on your PC?

Probably not me, at least not anytime soon. I've already invested in a PC and I like gaming at a desk setup since I play mostly FPS with a mouse and racing games with a wheel. Although, I just acquired a 42" plasma that is in the living room and it's tempting to hook up some type of gaming setup to it

If you KNEW that for $300 your "PC" could play any game that comes out for the next 3-4 years, which of you would not make that purchase?

I'm pretty certain that with upgrades, my recent Core I5 build will play everything released in the next 3 -4 years. Anyway, if you're really talking about a console, there's nothing to upgrade, so devs will make their games work (no advancements) until this theoretical "PC" (console) has reached the end of its life cycle. I built my PC in order to have a better gaming experience.

 

[Wag]

There are more than a few games that look better than Uncharted, and it's not even near the level of Crysis...

1. No, there aren't. Uncharted 2 is still one of the best looking games around on any platform.
2. We're talking two totally different genres.

 

[df96817]

create for PC, port to console, it's the best way .

Looks like Battlefield 3 is being developed this way.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1150975p1.html

 

[digitaldurandal]

First let me say I ONLY game on the PC, just spent over $1500 to build my gaming PC...

That said...

If you had a business, would you want your product to be purchased by a small percentage of the market or would you want to get as much market share as you could, while still delivering a quality product?

Can you REALLY blame software gaming companies for "going where the money is?"

How many of you would switch to consoles if you could purchase a mouse and keyboard that responded as well as they do on your PC?

If you KNEW that for $300 your "PC" could play any game that comes out for the next 3-4 years, which of you would not make that purchase?

This is NOT a thread to support console gaming, again, I ONLY game on a PC, but I CAN understand why companies put more effort into console games...

Can't you?

EDIT***

Does anyone ever see a company putting out a PC that is LIKE a console (uniform across the board), for say, $500, that could give you graphics like Crysis with every setting maxed out, have a keyboard and mouse, hook up to a PC monitor? It would be PURELY a gaming PC, no MS office, no Photoshop, no Video encoding, a PC just for gaming...?

No. This wont happen.

To be honest if mouse and keyboard was supported I would play console games. However at this point I have become spoiled with surround gaming.

Sorry for the off topic but you brought up your purchase, I don't think you did a good job with your 1500... are you including a good monitor or something?

 

[Annisman*]

Some games can rake in HUGE profits on the PC (WOW, Minecraft, Sins of a Solar Empire, BFBC2, SC2) You'll notice that most of theses games take specific advantage of what ONLY the PC can offer.

Unfortunately the consoles are holding us all back graphically, if you purchase a 200 dollar video card these days, you can run almost any game in HD at high settings. While many might think they're getting a bargain, it just goes to show at how little innovation has been going on in PC graphics, almost nothing since Crysis launched a few years ago.

Here's to hoping The Witcher 2 can be the vanguard and move us forward once more!

 

[Anomaly1964]

No. This wont happen.

To be honest if mouse and keyboard was supported I would play console games. However at this point I have become spoiled with surround gaming.

Sorry for the off topic but you brought up your purchase, I don't think you did a good job with your 1500... are you including a good monitor or something?

Not a good job?

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Sought TONS of advice here, how could I have done better? :twisted:

 

[Zargon]

Sorry for the off topic but you brought up your purchase, I don't think you did a good job with your 1500... are you including a good monitor or something?

and you would know that HOW? he could have gone cheaper, sure, but its a pretty high quality build. great parts that are likely to last for ages

Doesn't work this way as video games are still alive thanks to consoles.

not at all. total fudd. but thanks for playing

 

[bentheman939]

I think we can all agree that with a little more money and a little know how, PC games look much better. We can all also agree consoles "just work", appealing to the unenlightened, and look "good enough" for most people who aren't enthusiasts.

My biggest fear is the type of game (and gamer) that each system produces. I don't want to sound like some Chardonnay swirling elitist, but I think PC games (and gamers), tend to be a more discerning breed. I am sick to **** with AAA FPS/action/sport/racing genres being produced every day; badly porting them to the PC just makes it even worse. All these games, Call of Duty 50, Killzones, Gears of Wars, Halos etc etc etc... you play one you've played em all. They are boring (to me), but apparently not to everyone else. Even RPGs, a genre I typically like, are awful once consoles get involved. People seem to LOVE Dragon Age and Mass Effect... I could not believe how crappy they were. Scripted, pedantic, stereotypical and BORING. Open world games involving true imagination, like say Morrowind, are WAY better despite their age.

The genres I like to play most involve strategy. I love TBS and RTS games, and let's face it, they simply don't appeal/are impractical in the console space. It would honestly break my heart if this genre was reduced to embarrassments like Civilization Revolution.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Does anyone ever see a company putting out a PC that is LIKE a console (uniform across the board), for say, $500, that could give you graphics like Crysis with every setting maxed out, have a keyboard and mouse, hook up to a PC monitor? It would be PURELY a gaming PC, no MS office, no Photoshop, no Video encoding, a PC just for gaming...?

that makes no sense to me. this is the future, but not limited to video games. x86 pc consoles will happen, and towers will finally disappear from the desktop. anyone that thinks otherwise is just plain wrong - there is no good reason why this won't happen.

 

[marmasatt]

I actually went out and bought a ps3 for all the choices in games. I returned it a week later. The graphics just couldn't do it for me. I am a pc gamer 100% with no going back.

Funny. I thought I was 100% too. Had the same idea, bought a 360, and now I even buy some shooters on that instead of exclusively PC. That was 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Maybe I'm not as much as a snob but I think the graphics are great. And the PS3 has to rival or surpass a 360... We also have a Wii but that's mostly for the kids I guess. Nothing like HD gaming on a 50" Plasma....

 

[wuliheron]

I agree, the current generation of games are all about sensationalism and instant gratification. However, I think this is just a phase and not a serious indication of what the market will demand in the long run.

The original Doom only cost 200k, but that's like comparing a model T Ford to a Mazerati. Modern AAA console games cost $50 million to produce so why you would think it would just require "a little more money" to make better PC games escapes me. We'll get there, but it just isn't going to happen overnight.

 

[gorcorps]

Funny. I thought I was 100% too. Had the same idea, bought a 360, and now I even buy some shooters on that instead of exclusively PC. That was 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Maybe I'm not as much as a snob but I think the graphics are great. And the PS3 has to rival or surpass a 360... We also have a Wii but that's mostly for the kids I guess. Nothing like HD gaming on a 50" Plasma....

Yeah me too a few years back. I had a very respectable AGP setup a while ago, but then crysis was released and I realized to play it I'd have to gut my entire PC to keep up... not exactly a cost effective choice for a college student. Instead I got a 360, eventually got a decent TV, and I haven't bothered to even look at getting a PC running again (thought that was mostly due to costs still). Now that I'm working and can afford a nice PC, I just don't see myself going down that road again. Maybe for Diablo 3, but shelling out $1000-1500 for one game is absurd. Console games can't compare to a decent PC, but $400 gets you much further there than it does in the PC world.

Plus based on what I've seen here, the PC gamer group has turned ugly. I don't want to be associated with such people.

 

[Red Storm]

Yeah me too a few years back. I had a very respectable AGP setup a while ago, but then crysis was released and I realized to play it I'd have to gut my entire PC to keep up... not exactly a cost effective choice for a college student. Instead I got a 360, eventually got a decent TV, and I haven't bothered to even look at getting a PC running again (thought that was mostly due to costs still). Now that I'm working and can afford a nice PC, I just don't see myself going down that road again. Maybe for Diablo 3, but shelling out $1000-1500 for one game is absurd. Console games can't compare to a decent PC, but $400 gets you much further there than it does in the PC world.

Plus based on what I've seen here, the PC gamer group has turned ugly. I don't want to be associated with such people.

Sorry but there really wasn't a respectable AGP setup by the time Crysis was released, unless of course you aren't comparing it to the PCI-E video cards of the time. You held on to a system until it became entirely obsolete, or in other words, you let its value completely deprecate. You can easily stay up to date on PC hardware by simply selling and upgrading at the right times, and no it doesn't cost a fortune.

It's funny how you mention you eventually got a decent TV to go with the console, but you fail to include that in your costs.

If you know your PC hardware, you know PC gaming doesn't cost thousands.

 

[gorcorps]

Sorry but there really wasn't a respectable AGP setup by the time Crysis was released, unless of course you aren't comparing it to the PCI-E video cards of the time. You held on to a system until it became entirely obsolete, or in other words, you let its value completely deprecate. You can easily stay up to date on PC hardware by simply selling and upgrading at the right times, and no it doesn't cost a fortune.

It's funny how you mention you eventually got a decent TV to go with the console, but you fail to include that in your costs.

If you know your PC hardware, you know PC gaming doesn't cost thousands.

I've been out of the PC hardware loop for years, so no... I don't really know PC hardware anymore. And I already know there was no decent AGP system. That's the whole point of my story. In order to change to PCI-E like I needed to I needed to gut the whole system. Something that would have cost more than the price of the console to do it right. I needed a new PSU, my tower was terrible, and mobo + CPU + GPU all had to be changed.

I didn't fail to include the TV in my costs, as I made that purchase well after the fact. I already had a TV, just like I already had a PC monitor. Sure I could upgrade either, but I didn't for a long time.

 

[Zargon]

Funny. I thought I was 100% too. Had the same idea, bought a 360, and now I even buy some shooters on that instead of exclusively PC. That was 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Maybe I'm not as much as a snob but I think the graphics are great. And the PS3 has to rival or surpass a 360... We also have a Wii but that's mostly for the kids I guess. Nothing like HD gaming on a 50" Plasma....

try HD gaming with a new GPU on a 65" DLP.

my 6950 pushes great framerates on new games at 1080p and I get to use a KB/mouse to do it instead of thumbsticks.....

 

[greenhawk]

If you had a business,

Can you REALLY blame software gaming companies for "going where the money is?"

How many of you would switch to consoles if you could purchase a mouse and keyboard that responded as well as they do on your PC?

If you KNEW that for $300 your "PC" could play any game that comes out for the next 3-4 years, which of you would not make that purchase?


Can't you?

Does anyone ever see a company putting out a PC that is LIKE

On the business point, it can be said that is a smart thing for a business to do. But then, which market to aim at? cross platform games are harder than dedicated ones as they need to work with the common factors (or suffer performance issues).

A side issue to remember is compatability going forwards. A PC will generally play any PC game made (some emulation for old games given windows changes), for most consoles, they are not backwards compatable. IIRC PS3 had soime, but that feature was removed (cost cuttin) in later versions of the system. How it is for the 3 main consoles currently is to be seen.

Re:Going where the money is, it works, but while the money is their, should the old loyal customers be shut out or even ignored completly (ie: MS "donating" to a company to make a multi-platform game into a single console release.

Re: mouse & keyboard, NO. The interface is only half the game. The game types can effect the decisions as well. Even the implementation of the mouse can be hit or miss.

For example. one of the older games I remember playing, by default the inbuild aim bot was turned on. Leading a target, to shot them, even with a mouse, was not possible. Even head shots were out as the aimbot "adjusted" for a body shot instead. If the default console game has a "be easy to noobs" aimbot to help with the controller, then going to a mouse will just be a fail if you can not turn that off.

Re: $300 new "pc", then no. I have been around computers and gaming too long for that arguement to be worth anything. Fixed hardware at the start of that 3 years is good, but near the end of that period, if the "PC" dies, you are paying money for something end of life.

The part that enoys me most is that the game engines after the first year are sometimes near their max ability on the consoles (espically if the developer is keeping costs down as it was part of the reason to go console releases). While it does not sound too bad, it means the new games becomes like over priced expantion packs (same engine, similar story, new maps). Does not sit as a arguement for long life hardware.

Re: Businesses focusing on consoles. I can see it, but part of it is also a newer/different gaming market. They people that want instant "it works" gaming. Though given the start up times of current consoles, I can see why consoles are loosing these same people to iphone/andriod/smart phone based gaming.

Re: "like a console" PC, you just described the direction that brand names release some PC's. They generally go under the heading of HTPC's instead though.