TRUE vs CM V8

[Shmee]

So, I am in the market for a good, relatively inexpensive air cooler. Probably either the TRUE or the v8. I have a high airflow scythe 120 that I would want to use with it, (110 CFM)
and I am wondering which would benefit more from the high airflow. I have heard the TRUE does well with high airflow, but would the V8 benefit as well? This would be loud I know, and IDC. Just want a good air cooling solution for OCing my 920.

Also, I have heard that the TRUE often requires lapping. is this true of the V8 as well, or not so much?

Last, I would like to make sure that either would fit in my case, the ABS El Diablo. It has a 360mm fan on the side, and my tuniq tower from a previous build was too tall, the fan guard prevented the side panel from going on all the way.

Suggestions? TY in advance.

 

[theAnimal]

Those coolers are both taller than the Tuniq.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Shmee
So, I am in the market for a good, relatively inexpensive air cooler. Probably either the TRUE or the v8. I have a high airflow scythe 120 that I would want to use with it, (110 CFM)
and I am wondering which would benefit more from the high airflow. I have heard the TRUE does well with high airflow, but would the V8 benefit as well? This would be loud I know, and IDC. Just want a good air cooling solution for OCing my 920.

Also, I have heard that the TRUE often requires lapping. is this true of the V8 as well, or not so much?

Last, I would like to make sure that either would fit in my case, the ABS El Diablo. It has a 360mm fan on the side, and my tuniq tower from a previous build was too tall, the fan guard prevented the side panel from going on all the way.

Suggestions? TY in advance.

Just measured the Tuniq, its about 6.25" from the base to the top, so it will be a little bit taller measured from the motherboard once you add the CPU and socket. The TRUE is slightly shorter, about 1/8" maybe. I was able to fit both in an Antec 900 and 1200 by cutting the corner of the side panel fan.

As for which is better, my personal opinion is that the TRUE's actual cooler is the best, however, its mounting mechanism is significantly inferior to other coolers like the Noctua NH-U12P, Prolimatech Megahalems etc. I'm not sure about the V8, but it probably has a better mount than the TRUE also. You may also have to lap the TRUE's base, which is another major shortcoming as its often far from flat.

The result is that the stock mount on the TRUE doesn't provide nearly enough pressure, as the screws bottom out into the base and allows the TRUE to slide around easily under the bracket. I ended up using an old Thermaltake Big Typhoon backplate along with some 2" #6-32 bolts, nuts, washers, and wingnuts for a bolt-through kit. I took some pics this time around when putting together my i7 rig, so I'll link them once I get them uploaded.

 

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Shmee
So, I am in the market for a good, relatively inexpensive air cooler. Probably either the TRUE or the v8. I have a high airflow scythe 120 that I would want to use with it, (110 CFM)
and I am wondering which would benefit more from the high airflow. I have heard the TRUE does well with high airflow, but would the V8 benefit as well? This would be loud I know, and IDC. Just want a good air cooling solution for OCing my 920.

Also, I have heard that the TRUE often requires lapping. is this true of the V8 as well, or not so much?

Last, I would like to make sure that either would fit in my case, the ABS El Diablo. It has a 360mm fan on the side, and my tuniq tower from a previous build was too tall, the fan guard prevented the side panel from going on all the way.

Suggestions? TY in advance.

Just measured the Tuniq, its about 6.25" from the base to the top, so it will be a little bit taller measured from the motherboard once you add the CPU and socket. The TRUE is slightly shorter, about 1/8" maybe. I was able to fit both in an Antec 900 and 1200 by cutting the corner of the side panel fan.

As for which is better, my personal opinion is that the TRUE's actual cooler is the best, however, its mounting mechanism is significantly inferior to other coolers like the Noctua NH-U12P, Prolimatech Megahalems etc. I'm not sure about the V8, but it probably has a better mount than the TRUE also. You may also have to lap the TRUE's base, which is another major shortcoming as its often far from flat.

The result is that the stock mount on the TRUE doesn't provide nearly enough pressure, as the screws bottom out into the base and allows the TRUE to slide around easily under the bracket. I ended up using an old Thermaltake Big Typhoon backplate along with some 2" #6-32 bolts, nuts, washers, and wingnuts for a bolt-through kit. I took some pics this time around when putting together my i7 rig, so I'll link them once I get them uploaded.

+1

In my experience the mounting issues around the TRUE limited it in my use...and as such it was outperformed by the Noctua with a single stock 1500rpm fan. I have no doubt that the TRUE should outperform the Noctua, I just have not been able to duplicate it on several boards.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Tweakin

In my experience the mounting issues around the TRUE limited it in my use...and as such it was outperformed by the Noctua with a single stock 1500rpm fan. I have no doubt that the TRUE should outperform the Noctua, I just have not been able to duplicate it on several boards.

What was your metric in determining best performance? I've found on the extreme end of things heatpipe capacity always wins over other designs. This is why the Prolimatech is doing so well.

 

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: Tweakin

In my experience the mounting issues around the TRUE limited it in my use...and as such it was outperformed by the Noctua with a single stock 1500rpm fan. I have no doubt that the TRUE should outperform the Noctua, I just have not been able to duplicate it on several boards.

What was your metric in determining best performance? I've found on the extreme end of things heatpipe capacity always wins over other designs. This is why the Prolimatech is doing so well.

My metrics went soley by load temps while running ILP and Prime. I also didn't like the new fan assy on the TRUE...had a hard time trying out different fans as I wanted to see what a 38mm Scythe would do at 7v...never had the chance.

Overall, I could take both of those sinks to 3.6 without HT and stay in the mid to high 60's. I would like to say that these were both just temporary tests while I waited for the h20 parts to come in. Noting beats water...I'm now sold totally. I hate the pain water has, but the system is soo much quieter (which is what I wanted) and thermal loads are now mid-high 60's at 3.6Ghz with HT on...something I couldn't do with the air systems.

 

[chizow]

Just finished up a quick write-up in my blog with pics about the bolt-through mod for the TRUE:

TRUE mod

Honestly I probably wouldn't use the TRUE without some kind of pressure mod, I really wish the TRUE had a mounting mechanism like the Prolimatech or Noctua NH-U12P which offer much better downward pressure

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: chizow
Just finished up a quick write-up in my blog with pics about the bolt-through mod for the TRUE:

TRUE mod

Honestly I probably wouldn't use the TRUE without some kind of pressure mod, I really wish the TRUE had a mounting mechanism like the Prolimatech or Noctua NH-U12P which offer much better downward pressure

Nice guide. I have two TRUE's the one on my main pc has always given me great temps, while my second has been a disappointment even after a remount, and I noticed that even tightening each corner all the way you could move it around with moderate force, which is obviously not so hot.

I guess the bad news is now I'll have to do this, probably tomorrow. Sigh.

 

[speedfreak]

what I've heard that the coolermaster v8 is all looks no performance? or is it the other way around? Lol

 

[QueBert]

I've heard the V8 is a pretty decent cooler, I love how it looks. I bought a TT beetle a few years ago, while not the best cooler it performed pretty well and it looked damn SWEET.

Looks > cooling IMHO, within reason any ways

 

[lavaheadache]

I just did the switch from a tuniq tower to the v-8. Hands down the v-8 is WAYYY better than the tuniq especially for a high clocked quad where the tuniq reaches it's thermal capacity. The tuniq only has 3 heatpipes versus the 8 on the coolermaster. With the tuniq all was well until I hit 3.6 ghz then temps sky rocketed into the 80's with just 1.32 vcore. On the V8 highest i see is mid 60's, mind you this is with a 77ish ambient.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
Nice guide. I have two TRUE's the one on my main pc has always given me great temps, while my second has been a disappointment even after a remount, and I noticed that even tightening each corner all the way you could move it around with moderate force, which is obviously not so hot.

I guess the bad news is now I'll have to do this, probably tomorrow. Sigh.

Thanks, I wish I took some more pics of actually mounting it, but that part definitely takes 2 hands and is somewhat frustrating, so at that point I was just trying to get it mounted.

2 things I'd want to emphasize again if you do this mod is that you'll need to modify the existing base plate by making the holes bigger. Also don't have pics of the backplate assembly, but you'll need to make the holes big enough to thread those #6-32 bolts straight through.

The other main point of emphasis is to use some kind of pliers to pull down the X-bracket over the bolt. This is mainly to clear your finger to screw down the wing nut. This isn't a problem if your bolts are long enough to begin with. On the LGA1366 boards, there's a heavy duty metal backplate that adds a few mm to the back so the 2" bolts end up being short on the front-end.

Otherwise you may consider buying enough parts for 2 assemblies. Even if you're happy with your one TRUE's temps, I don't doubt you'd see even better by replacing the stock mount with a bolt through mount.

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I just did the switch from a tuniq tower to the v-8. Hands down the v-8 is WAYYY better than the tuniq especially for a high clocked quad where the tuniq reaches it's thermal capacity. The tuniq only has 3 heatpipes versus the 8 on the coolermaster. With the tuniq all was well until I hit 3.6 ghz then temps sky rocketed into the 80's with just 1.32 vcore. On the V8 highest i see is mid 60's, mind you this is with a 77ish ambient.

Yep, my experiences exactly. The Tuniq was great for its time, it just gets saturated by these higher TDP quads and can't keep up.

 

[Shmee]

ya, the tuniq isnt even made for the i7, if it was, it would be on right now. sounds like the v8 may be the one for me, considering the mounting issues some have had with the TRUE. Only reason I might opt for the TRUE is that I heard it was good with higher airflow fans, which I have one of, and if it cools better with my super fan than the V8 does with either stock or fast fan, then the TRUE would be a better option for me.

So it pretty much comes down to: does the V8's cooling ability increase somewhat proportionally with higher airflow like the TRUE? Probably wouldn't be linear, but I would like to make sure that an increase in air would help some, and I hear that depends on the cooler.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I just did the switch from a tuniq tower to the v-8. Hands down the v-8 is WAYYY better than the tuniq especially for a high clocked quad where the tuniq reaches it's thermal capacity. The tuniq only has 3 heatpipes versus the 8 on the coolermaster. With the tuniq all was well until I hit 3.6 ghz then temps sky rocketed into the 80's with just 1.32 vcore. On the V8 highest i see is mid 60's, mind you this is with a 77ish ambient.

Wow, that sounds pretty good. I have a Tuniq and a Q6600 @ 3.6, and it hits 90C with OCCT 3.0 linpack.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I just did the switch from a tuniq tower to the v-8. Hands down the v-8 is WAYYY better than the tuniq especially for a high clocked quad where the tuniq reaches it's thermal capacity. The tuniq only has 3 heatpipes versus the 8 on the coolermaster. With the tuniq all was well until I hit 3.6 ghz then temps sky rocketed into the 80's with just 1.32 vcore. On the V8 highest i see is mid 60's, mind you this is with a 77ish ambient.

Wow, that sounds pretty good. I have a Tuniq and a Q6600 @ 3.6, and it hits 90C with OCCT 3.0 linpack.

yeah im satisfied, the tuniq is no slouch though... esp for a dualie

 

[kramm]

Originally posted by: QueBert
I've heard the V8 is a pretty decent cooler, I love how it looks. I bought a TT beetle a few years ago, while not the best cooler it performed pretty well and it looked damn SWEET.

Looks > cooling IMHO, within reason any ways

I just installed a V8 into an Antec 900.
Here are pictures:

http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...aster-install-pictures

Good luck

Mark

 

[TC91]

Originally posted by: kramm

Originally posted by: QueBert
I've heard the V8 is a pretty decent cooler, I love how it looks. I bought a TT beetle a few years ago, while not the best cooler it performed pretty well and it looked damn SWEET.

Looks > cooling IMHO, within reason any ways

I just installed a V8 into an Antec 900.
Here are pictures:

http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...aster-install-pictures

Good luck

Mark

looks pretty sweet, good job

 

[Cyn]

I just installed a V8 to my ASUS P6T, I love it!

 

[kramm]

Originally posted by: Cyn
I just installed a V8 to my ASUS P6T, I love it!

PITA putting on the back plate wasnt it?

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: kramm

Originally posted by: QueBert
I've heard the V8 is a pretty decent cooler, I love how it looks. I bought a TT beetle a few years ago, while not the best cooler it performed pretty well and it looked damn SWEET.

Looks > cooling IMHO, within reason any ways

I just installed a V8 into an Antec 900.
Here are pictures:

http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...aster-install-pictures

Good luck

Mark

Looks good! The only downside that I can see is that its significantly larger top to bottom than the TRUE, meaning you can't mount a side case fan on the 900 (or 1200). By cutting the corner of a 120mm fan, I was able to mount a 120mm in the side panel which helps GPU temps quite a bit.

 

[faxon]

hey shmee i'm ordering your cooler tomorrow after i get back from work. so it looks like you're gonna go with the V8 after all instead of the TRUE then? works for me, i will lap it either way! send me an offline message on AIM so you dont have to call me while im at work or sleeping


ed: k so i talked to him just now. turns out the V8 is 2.5mm shorter than the TRUE (L120 x W120 x H158mm for V8 vs L132 x W63 x H160.5mm for the TRUE. based purely on cooling performance, the V8 would probably be the way to go then? or does someone have something besides a horribly skewed benchmarkreviews chart of what cools better than what on LGA1366. both are taller than a tuniq tower @ 152mm tall so height is pretty much irrelevant at this point unless i help him do some killer case modding lol