Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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woolfe9998

Lifer
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To quote the statute specifically:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20



Considering campaigns spend thousands or millions of dollars on opposition research, dirt on your political opponents is absolutely something of value.

So to recap you didn't understand the law in question and then when corrected immediately flew into a rage and started insulting people. You should apologize.

Thank you for that citation. I would also point out these two subsequent sections:

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

(h)Providing substantial assistance.

(1) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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It would be considered an "in kind" donation in a legal sense. I've seen no one dispute that it would be illegal per federal election law as shown above.

Well, except Justice DSF.
 

Commodus

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I wish I could find the exact post, but someone on Twitter summarized the Trump family nicely: they're like a bunch of Sideshow Bobs endlessly stepping on golden rakes.

Never have we seen political corruption in the US that makes so many unforced errors -- it's as if the Trump family took a bet on whether or not Don Sr. would last a year in office, and Don Jr. clearly bet against him. "Oh, the Times is going to post a story proving I knew about the Russian government link, contradicting statements from the President and my past self? Here, I'll save them the trouble: I'll incriminate myself."

Can you imagine what'll happen in the Trump family if Don Jr.'s admission ultimately leads to the President's resignation? Talk about persona non grata. He's probably not getting an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner this year.
 

kage69

Lifer
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You're embarrassing yourself. Grow up.

C'mon now. We all know DSF is a troll without shame, and incapable of growth that doesn't involve his waist line. He's not going to stop. Defending feckless idiots by acting like a bigger feckless idiot is what he does.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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I wish I could find the exact post, but someone on Twitter summarized the Trump family nicely: they're like a bunch of Sideshow Bobs endlessly stepping on golden rakes.

Never have we seen political corruption in the US that makes so many unforced errors -- it's as if the Trump family took a bet on whether or not Don Sr. would last a year in office, and Don Jr. clearly bet against him. "Oh, the Times is going to post a story proving I knew about the Russian government link, contradicting statements from the President and my past self? Here, I'll save them the trouble: I'll incriminate myself."

Can you imagine what'll happen in the Trump family if Don Jr.'s admission ultimately leads to the President's resignation? Talk about persona non grata. He's probably not getting an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner this year.

They thought they could play above their level and got burned. Bigly. "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered". Perfect summation. They'd have likely continued in their normal crime family operation had they just stayed in NY and real estate. Well, they got arrogant and it's now biting them in the ass.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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I wish I could find the exact post, but someone on Twitter summarized the Trump family nicely: they're like a bunch of Sideshow Bobs endlessly stepping on golden rakes.

Never have we seen political corruption in the US that makes so many unforced errors -- it's as if the Trump family took a bet on whether or not Don Sr. would last a year in office, and Don Jr. clearly bet against him. "Oh, the Times is going to post a story proving I knew about the Russian government link, contradicting statements from the President and my past self? Here, I'll save them the trouble: I'll incriminate myself."

Can you imagine what'll happen in the Trump family if Don Jr.'s admission ultimately leads to the President's resignation? Talk about persona non grata. He's probably not getting an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner this year.

We're talking about a family that somehow managed to run a casino into the ground during a casino boom.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Are you familiar with any reason that opposition research would not be considered something of value?

No, I was just citing the subsequent sections which would be more directly applicable to Trump Jr. here. I agree that "thing of value" is generally interpreted under the law to include valuable things which are not money and not tangible. My only concern here is the point about tapping foreign sources for oppo information, which as DSF pointed out, was done by the Clinton campaign. It's probably been done in the past by others, as well. I'm not sure how the law will come out on this one.
 

vi edit

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Someone put the lawyer that is representing Jr. on a suicide watch. I highly doubt he would ever approve of posting that information on his own twitter acct.

House of cards ain't got nothing on reality this season.
 

kage69

Lifer
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I wish I could find the exact post, but someone on Twitter summarized the Trump family nicely: they're like a bunch of Sideshow Bobs endlessly stepping on golden rakes.

In this case though, the Sideshow Bobs have Mr. Burns' empathy, Homer's smarts, and Dr. Nick's integrity.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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The best case for Trump, his family, and their associates is that they are just too fuggin stupid to know any better, and that after watching movies and TV shows and reading Breitbart they thought "oh all politicians do this shit". Their best defense is that they didn't even try to hide it (oh except for those pesky disclosure forms.)

Big nothing burger? Perhaps--most of the country already knew that Donald and his merry band of goons were too stupid to effectively lead this country. The real tragedy is that 46.1% of the country doesn't care.

Saw Gorka on CNN this morning, deflector shields up at full strength: "BUT BUT BUT the DNC met with UKRAINE!!!" oh and "BUT HER EMAILS!!"

That's 46.1% of people who actually voted... in a low turnout election.

Beat down Hillary, beat down her support, & win. Cuz emails, emails, emails.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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C'mon now. We all know DSF is a troll without shame, and incapable of growth that doesn't involve his waist line. He's not going to stop. Defending feckless idiots by acting like a bigger feckless idiot is what he does.

I don't see DSF as a troll. He just doesn't think straight.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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If Maddow could spontaneously combust into a gleeful explosion of glitter and unicorn farts she is probably pretty close to it right now.

I watched some CNN when making dinner and everybody was basically dumping on Jason Miller for contending that nobody really had any idea what this person was there for and that she basically just wandered in on pretense and talked to DTJ.

Being a Trump surrogate requires a lack of self respect that I didn't think existed in sentient beings.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Are you familiar with any reason that opposition research would not be considered something of value?

In further followup, I found this:

https://twitter.com/derektmuller/status/884202298049560576

It's an FEC decision from 1990 holding that polling data constitutes a contribution to a campaign. It's interpreting a different FEC regulation, but the reasoning is probably applicable throughout election law. Still, I'm having trouble with the notion of foreign sourced sourced oppo research being illegal because it is probably done at least from time to time.
 
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fskimospy

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No, I was just citing the subsequent sections which would be more directly applicable to Trump Jr. here. I agree that "thing of value" is generally interpreted under the law to include valuable things which are not money and not tangible.

That's what I figured, I was honestly baffled that anyone would try to make an argument that information was not something of value.

My only concern here is the point about tapping foreign sources for oppo information, which as DSF pointed out, was done by the Clinton campaign. It's probably been done in the past by others, as well. I'm not sure how the law will come out on this one.

It is an interesting point. I agree that it's probably been done in the past by others but there's really no way to know and apparently those individuals were smart enough to keep their activities secret. As for what's being alleged by DSF about the Clinton campaign I'd have to see what that is and if it's from a credible source. I've seen them associated with the Steele dossier but I've seen no evidence that the Clinton campaign paid anyone to do that.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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In further followup, I found this:

https://twitter.com/derektmuller/status/884202298049560576

It's an FEC decision from 1990 holding that polling data constitutes a contribution to a campaign. It's interpreting a different FEC regulation, but the reasoning is probably applicable throughout election law. Still, I'm having trouble with the notion of foreign sourced sourced oppo research being illegal because it is probably done at least from time to time.

If I'm not mistaken the prohibition is not on getting foreign sourced opposition research, it's about being donated it. If you wanted to pay the fair market value for that information it would be perfectly legal to do so, no?
 
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Oh man the alt right sites are flailing to excuse this now too. I can't even begin to fathom the type of self loathing it would take to be so malleable in my beliefs that nothing could penetrate the delusion.
 
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If I'm not mistaken the prohibition is not on getting foreign sourced opposition research, it's about being donated it. If you wanted to pay the fair market value for that information it would be perfectly legal to do so, no?
That's how I understand it from the stand point of "in-kind" contributions.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Liberals have hacked DJTjrs twitter account! Anything it says is fake news now! Go to brietbart and dailycaller to get the scoop on how the liburls are going to bring about a coup to put the evil muslim back in charge with Hillary running the secret police and security services. FEMA camps are coming people! Why do think so many Kmart's are closing? The plot is already in the works! Grab your guns, git your ammos, shits about to get real.
 
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