Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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agent00f

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Oh hey, apparently that government lawyer who wasn't a government lawyer, is now confirming she was in contact with the Russian government.

The problem here isn't with the lawyer per se, who's just a russian intel asset used as a courier because she happened to be traveling to NY in June to attend court. Rather it's the people she was couriering for, putin's close associate Agalarov as mentioned in the email, who was offering to provide russian state intel for kompromat.

The actual story here is Putin likely possesses evidence which can put the trumps away in actual prison, which he's presumably been using to control them since last June. If it came down to it, Putin will sacrifice her to maintain the key relationship here.
 
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Jhhnn

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The problem here isn't with the lawyer per se, who's just a russian intel asset used as a courier because she happened to be traveling to NY in June to attend court. Rather it's the people she was couriering for, putin's close associate Agalarov as mentioned in the email, who was offering to provide russian state intel for kompromat.

The actual story here is Putin likely possesses evidence which can put the trumps away in actual prison, which he's presumably been using to control them since last June. If it came down to it, Putin will sacrifice her to maintain the key relationship here.

You made multiple leaps of faith to reach that conclusion. The possibilities are much broader than that.
 

emperus

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It seems like lying is like breathing for everyone around Trump. Those who voted for him must be proud about the soundness of their judgment. The Trump mailing list is probably a scammers wet dream.
 

agent00f

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It seems like lying is like breathing for everyone around Trump. Those who voted for him must be proud about the soundness of their judgment. The Trump mailing list is probably a scammers wet dream.

They're no so astonishingly dumb as liberals like to believe that they're unaware of this. In fact it's why they identify with and support him. I believe boomerang once literally admitted to it, something along the lines of Trump fibs to get out of tight situations same as I or my blue collar buddies would.
 

Balt

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It seems like lying is like breathing for everyone around Trump. Those who voted for him must be proud about the soundness of their judgment. The Trump mailing list is probably a scammers wet dream.

Probably why he's already declared for 2020 and his 'campaign' is already collecting money for his re-election.
 

Jhhnn

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The problem here isn't with the lawyer per se, who's just a russian intel asset used as a courier because she happened to be traveling to NY in June to attend court. Rather it's the people she was couriering for, putin's close associate Agalarov as mentioned in the email, who was offering to provide russian state intel for kompromat.

The actual story here is Putin likely possesses evidence which can put the trumps away in actual prison, which he's presumably been using to control them since last June. If it came down to it, Putin will sacrifice her to maintain the key relationship here.
You made multiple leaps of faith to reach that conclusion. The possibilities are much broader than that.
No, there really aren't if you actually read the emails. Make your case once you do.


Let me link that-

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

Goldstone claims that Emin, a Russian pop star, told Goldstone that Aras told him they had dirt on Hillary. With me so far?

Jr expresses interest. Arrangements progress through Goldstone. Jr & Emin, the pop star, apparently talk on the phone.

Goldstone asserts that Veselnitskaya is a Russian govt lawyer.

Arrangements are finalized.

Got that?

There's no hint that anybody has any dirt on Trump. It's entirely possible that Goldstone and/or Emin are pumping sunshine up everybody's collective skirts, including Veselnitskaya.

Which is not to defend the Trump clan in the slightest. If they didn't personally receive the fruits of Russian espionage it wasn't because they didn't try to get it. They received those fruits later, anyway.
 

agent00f

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Let me link that-

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

Goldstone claims that Emin, a Russian pop star, told Goldstone that Aras told him they had dirt on Hillary. With me so far?

Jr expresses interest. Arrangements progress through Goldstone. Jr & Emin, the pop star, apparently talk on the phone.

Goldstone asserts that Veselnitskaya is a Russian govt lawyer.

Arrangements are finalized.

Got that?

Aras is Putin's colleague and also business partner to trump, and has also previous acted as a go-between the two. Aras had his people (ie son) talk to Trump's people (ie son), in email and then on the phone to finalize/verify details. Notice no phone number was ever exchanged in the emails so they knew each other well enough. The info shopped is described as state intel, not something he found on the internet.

Pretending to be dumber than chucky doesn't do you any favors than it does him.

There's no hint that anybody has any dirt on Trump. It's entirely possible that Goldstone and/or Emin are pumping sunshine up everybody's collective skirts, including Veselnitskaya.

Which is not to defend the Trump clan in the slightest. If they didn't personally receive the fruits of Russian espionage it wasn't because they didn't try to get it. They received those fruits later, anyway.

The treasonous meeting to collude and rather possible followups are the dirt/kompromat on Trump, dumbass. It's also been verified that that lawyer brought a folder of said info with her to the meeting by at least one of the participants: http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/bom...-bring-clinton-dirt-docs-to-trump-jr-meeting/
 

Bitek

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Oh hey, apparently that government lawyer who wasn't a government lawyer, is now confirming she was in contact with the Russian government.

Also there are reports that they did in fact leave documents for the Trump's.

The lawyer is in fact connected to, in fact reports to Russia's "crown" prosecutor.

Also, the attendee list continues to grow.

Tell me again how Trump himself was not in on the meeting, it not at least aware.

It's as sure as shit there were follow ups.

Collision. Undeniable.
The Treason Train is looking to pull into the station next.

@chucky2.... Bubutbut C-c-c-clinton.
 
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agent00f

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Also there are reports that they did in fact leave documents for the Trump's.

The lawyer is in fact connected to, in fact reports to Russia's "crown" prosecutor.

Also, the attendee list continues to grow.

Tell me again how Trump himself was not in on the meeting, it not at least aware.

It's as sure as shit there were follow ups.

Collision. Undeniable.
The Treason Train is looking to pull into the station next.

@chucky2.... Bubutbut C-c-c-clinton.

Trump basically admits he knew about the meeting: http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/13/trump-admits-told-trump-jr-s-russia-meeting.html

and also in his rally on the day of the meeting promised followers they got new dirt coming on clinton. Fucking genius.
 

Jhhnn

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Aras is Putin's colleague and also business partner to trump, and has also previous acted as a go-between the two. Aras had his people (ie son) talk to Trump's people (ie son), in email and then on the phone to finalize/verify details. Notice no phone number was ever exchanged in the emails so they knew each other well enough. The info shopped is described as state intel, not something he found on the internet.

Pretending to be dumber than chucky doesn't do you any favors than it does him.



The treasonous meeting to collude and rather possible followups are the dirt/kompromat on Trump, dumbass. It's also been verified that that lawyer brought a folder of said info with her to the meeting by at least one of the participants: http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/bom...-bring-clinton-dirt-docs-to-trump-jr-meeting/

Gish galloping, huh? That wasn't a part of your original reasoning at all. If Akhmetshin is to be believed, somebody was just pumping sunshine up Jr's ol' skirt the whole time. What he said Veselnitskaya offered wasn't the high level stuff promised at all.
 
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fskimospy

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Or, more like, I'm working at the top of a political campaign of the biggest political race in the world, as the vast underdog, against not only the world class opponent, but also their media arm (mainstream media), plus half of the party I have to run under to even have chance of winning, but who don't want me to win at all, and I get the opportunity to get what is easily acquired information that I myself didn't have to dig up with my limited political resources. Do I take that meeting? You betcha. When I'm there if I'm put into a position to do ask someone to do something illegal (Team Clinton has that, they just have their 3rd party plausible deniability folks handle that), or compromising to the nation I represent, do I go through with that? Not if I have any scruples. Did Team Trump at this meeting? Who knows. Would Team Clintons cutout? Undoubtably, we know they're political animals.



OMG Russia! Wolverines! But, if Team Trump didn't ask them to obtain it illegally, and the Russians had either already done so illegally, or, by someone else who did, how is that Team Trumps problem?



I don't think it's someones job working for the US Gov to decide to leak info on, well, anything. I don't need Gov workers deciding to be political players, that's not what we pay them for. If they want to do that, quit their day job, and go be a Whore-Political. But, dirt is dirt, if Flynn did something wrong, so be it. Just to be clear though, Flynn going to some interview and accepting money for it...doesn't really strike me as wrong. Black Lives Matter could pay me to do an interview on Clinton News Network and it's not going to change the fact that if I'm a connected guy I'm not going to do them any favors. They want to pay me to get my perspective, fine. Now, a certain ME country making a few million birthday donation to the Clinton Foundation for a certain persons birthday...that might raise a few flags with me. Not the mainstream media mind you, that is OMG Russia!, but with me, yeah, probably not going to sit well...

Lol. Now that's some desperation.
 

shortylickens

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I just discovered something on the internet.

John Oliver is calling this "Stupid Watergate".
And I love it.
 

nickqt

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Lol. Now that's some desperation.
Never mind the desperation.

"But, if Team Trump didn't ask them to obtain it illegally..."

You mean, like, Strongman Trump publicly asking Russia to hack into a server to discover potentially damaging information on a political opponent?

"...and the Russians had either already done so illegally..."

Oh...it's ok, as long as Russia had already hacked into the political opponent's server, illegally, for Trump and Friends to go to Russia and ask for the illegally obtained information. Because then it's fair game if used to help Strongman Trump get into the White House.

Because, like, BothSidesDoIt™. Now, tomorrow, forever, etc.

The swan song of scumbags without any other argument to defend the reprehensible bullshit they've been defending in public.

An iteration of the delusional argument used by lunatics who can't deny that Strongman Trump is a blazing fucking imbecile, but go on to blame Strongman Trump on Hillary Clinton, and not the 63 million Republican voters who went and made useful idiots of themselves to a carnival barker who bragged about being able to murder someone without losing one useful idiot's vote.

They're all brain damaged from years of having Masters Limbaugh, Hannity, Jones, and the godfather, Gingrich's shit pumped directly into their brains. The cognitive dissonance and projection allow them to scream at a mirror while accusing their image of hating America and committing treason on behalf of some unhinged, delusional conspiracy one of their thought leaders dumped into their brain while earning millions of dollars for it.
 

agent00f

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Gish galloping, huh? That wasn't a part of your original reasoning at all.

It's not my fault you insist on being as smart as degens pretend to be dumb. There's a basic context to the players involved and the emails show the details of their interaction, and it doesn't take much brains to read that situation.

If Akhmetshin is to be believed, somebody was just pumping sunshine up Jr's ol' skirt the whole time. What he said Veselnirskaya offered wasn't the high level stuff promised at all.

No, Akhmetshin said it was DNC financials data, and "said he does not know if Veselnitskaya’s documents were provided by the Russian government." But consider the situation at hand. It was a meeting with 8+ people there incl an envoy from russia, and your take is that this was set up over nothing to dupe Trump, putting the valuable Agalarov-Trump relationship in peril over nothing. You're literally assuming the russians are about as smart as the pair just mentioned.
 

Bitek

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Can Republicans discuss this at all without evoking Clinton?

It's not just one poster, I see this all over this forum, the internet and RW news.

Well, that and just outright lies or delusion.

I mean, to me, that just shows how screwed they are. None of this can remotely be defended in logical or ethical grounds, so the right is left to debase itself in order to create temporary stalemates.
 
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Jhhnn

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Never mind the desperation.

"But, if Team Trump didn't ask them to obtain it illegally..."

You mean, like, Strongman Trump publicly asking Russia to hack into a server to discover potentially damaging information on a political opponent?

"...and the Russians had either already done so illegally..."

Oh...it's ok, as long as Russia had already hacked into the political opponent's server, illegally, for Trump and Friends to go to Russia and ask for the illegally obtained information. Because then it's fair game if used to help Strongman Trump get into the White House.

Because, like, BothSidesDoIt™. Now, tomorrow, forever, etc.

The swan song of scumbags without any other argument to defend the reprehensible bullshit they've been defending in public.

An iteration of the delusional argument used by lunatics who can't deny that Strongman Trump is a blazing fucking imbecile, but go on to blame Strongman Trump on Hillary Clinton, and not the 63 million Republican voters who went and made useful idiots of themselves to a carnival barker who bragged about being able to murder someone without losing one useful idiot's vote.

They're all brain damaged from years of having Masters Limbaugh, Hannity, Jones, and the godfather, Gingrich's shit pumped directly into their brains. The cognitive dissonance and projection allow them to scream at a mirror while accusing their image of hating America and committing treason on behalf of some unhinged, delusional conspiracy one of their thought leaders dumped into their brain while earning millions of dollars for it.

Too harsh, I think. Screaming "Idiot!" at them doesn't work any better than screaming "Racist!" Trumpism reflects some very deep stirring among the Repub base, a rejection of their own leadership. Maybe it's like a nasty boil on the ass of the body politic come to a head, purging the poison. At least I hope so.
 
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agent00f

Lifer
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Never mind the desperation.

"But, if Team Trump didn't ask them to obtain it illegally..."

You mean, like, Strongman Trump publicly asking Russia to hack into a server to discover potentially damaging information on a political opponent?

"...and the Russians had either already done so illegally..."

Oh...it's ok, as long as Russia had already hacked into the political opponent's server, illegally, for Trump and Friends to go to Russia and ask for the illegally obtained information. Because then it's fair game if used to help Strongman Trump get into the White House.

Because, like, BothSidesDoIt™. Now, tomorrow, forever, etc.

The swan song of scumbags without any other argument to defend the reprehensible bullshit they've been defending in public.

An iteration of the delusional argument used by lunatics who can't deny that Strongman Trump is a blazing fucking imbecile, but go on to blame Strongman Trump on Hillary Clinton, and not the 63 million Republican voters who went and made useful idiots of themselves to a carnival barker who bragged about being able to murder someone without losing one useful idiot's vote.

They're all brain damaged from years of having Masters Limbaugh, Hannity, Jones, and the godfather, Gingrich's shit pumped directly into their brains. The cognitive dissonance and projection allow them to scream at a mirror while accusing their image of hating America and committing treason on behalf of some unhinged, delusional conspiracy one of their thought leaders dumped into their brain while earning millions of dollars for it.

No, it's simply in the interest of racists to keep up their end of the bargain in exchange for a well funded political platform. Chucky & co never gave a shit if the talking points they parrot about economics or this stuff are true, only that if they do this they will get a political effort at a muslim ban and other klan wishlist items; that's just how politics works, quid pro quo.

Liberals do love to consider them super-dumb but turns out humans evolved to be pretty smart at achieving their interests incl. lying about it if beneficial. For example, it's in the conservative interest to portray themselves as dumb/ignorant instead of degenerate, and liberals will flock to educate no matter how much it's meant to be an exercise in futility.
 

shortylickens

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Can Republicans discuss this at all without evoking Clinton?

It's not just one poster, I see this all over this forum, the internet and RW news.

Well, that and just outright lies or delusion.

I mean, to me, that just shows how screwed they are. None of this can remotely be defended in logical or ethical grounds, so the right is left to debase itself in order to create temporary stalemates.

No. They cant.
They win presidencies and congressional seats MOSTLY by vilifying Democrats.
If you take some time this weekend, go over all the news from the past year or so, you will see a very clear pattern in their campaigns. The vast majority of their talking points are things the Democrats have done or not done. Many of them arent even true, but their rabid fanbase doesnt care.

Republicans learned a long time ago that mud-slinging works much better than discussing issues. Although this last election showed that shit slinging is the wave of the future. Fake mud is pretty good too, which is funny considering how many times Donald has said "Fake News".
 

ivwshane

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Can Republicans discuss this at all without evoking Clinton?

It's not just one poster, I see this all over this forum, the internet and RW news.

Well, that and just outright lies or delusion.

I mean, to me, that just shows how screwed they are. None of this can remotely be defended in logical or ethical grounds, so the right is left to debase itself in order to create temporary stalemates.

Mark my word, you won't get apologies or admission about how bad trump was until he is out of office. They'll vote for the next sane presidential candidate and then they'll apologize for trump while letting you know that they did good this round. They did the same thing with Bush*.





*except for about 30% who are hard core trump supporters (I would love to know if they are the same people who supported bush Jr throughout his presidency).
 

woolfe9998

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Wow, I can't even fathom the cognitive dissonance for your typical Fox News viewer after seeing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5LftyJmNtA

This is Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith taking Trump down hard over the Trump Jr. collusion thing. This is as tough as anything on CNN. And they get it - the lies are the real problem with all of this. The underlying behavior is sleazy and possibly illegal, but the lying is probably worse.
 

HomerJS

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Wow, I can't even fathom the cognitive dissonance for your typical Fox News viewer after seeing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5LftyJmNtA

This is Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith taking Trump down hard over the Trump Jr. collusion thing. This is as tough as anything on CNN. And they get it - the lies are the real problem with all of this. The underlying behavior is sleazy and possibly illegal, but the lying is probably worse.
Shep has always been one of the very few honest brokers @Fox. Surprised they haven't fired him long ago.
 

HomerJS

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As long as you are not aiding the enemy, or agreeing to be on the hook in the future to aid the enemy, what is the problem? This is POTUS political theater, you think either side is playing it like Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts? You think Team Billary (her actual team, all the under-minion groups so plausible deniability can be maintained, her media arm ((mainstream media))) are saints? You must live in some crazy crazy world...
You just nailed your own point. The Russians were trying to get sanctions lifted. That is aiding the enemy. GOP already softened language supporting Ukraine in the Republican platform. Again aiding the enemy.
 
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