Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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cytg111

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And tried to use what was probably a VPN to hide his location(Jakarta really???) Good Lord lololololol

Hahahahaha .. if thats true then thats just HAHAHAHA .. selfowned by social media AGAIN.
*I will use this TOR thingie through this VPN thingie and stay super duper secret*
*opens facebook app*.
Hahahahaha
 
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Information has been consistently held as a 'thing of value' throughout the US legal system for decades, perhaps centuries. I can't believe you're even trying to argue this.

Seriously, you owe us all an apology.
In other words, you have no FEC rulings that agree with your interpretation of their campaign finance laws. As such, you owe me and everyone here an apology for making up complete horseshit and trying to pass it off as fact. Pathetic.
 

UNCjigga

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The best case for Trump, his family, and their associates is that they are just too fuggin stupid to know any better, and that after watching movies and TV shows and reading Breitbart they thought "oh all politicians do this shit". Their best defense is that they didn't even try to hide it (oh except for those pesky disclosure forms.)

Big nothing burger? Perhaps--most of the country already knew that Donald and his merry band of goons were too stupid to effectively lead this country. The real tragedy is that 46.1% of the country doesn't care.

Saw Gorka on CNN this morning, deflector shields up at full strength: "BUT BUT BUT the DNC met with UKRAINE!!!" oh and "BUT HER EMAILS!!"
 

ivwshane

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Please cite ANY case where information was ruled by the FEC to be a monetary contribution/service subject to campaign finance laws...either that, or just stop with all your horseshit dishonesty.

Does that mean you can cite cases where information was ruled to be of non monetary value?

It seems like, at best, one could argue that the law is vague enough that it couple be interpreted either way. Yet here you are calling everyone a liar for something you yourself don't even seem 100% certain of.
 

soundforbjt

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What is IC in that twitter post? Anyway I just find this whole story odd
Nope, what will likely happen instead is one of two things (for each person) IMO:

1 - User will go quiet until they think that the situation has "blown over".
2 - User will serve up a sixteen course meal of false equivalence.
You left out
3 - User will say "Who Me?" , I never supported him.
 
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fskimospy

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In other words, you have no FEC rulings that agree with your interpretation of their campaign finance laws. As such, you owe me and everyone here an apology for making up complete horseshit and trying to pass it off as fact. Pathetic.

Are you fucking kidding me?

From US v. Nilsen:

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921506967F2d539_11407/U.S. v. NILSEN

Nilsen contends that the government failed to prove an essential element of the crimes charged in the indictment because the term "thing of value" embraces only property rights, not an intangible such as the testimony of a witness. The government, on the other hand, argues that the broad language of the phrase "thing of value" encompasses intangible objectives as well as tangible property rights.

If a criminal statute is subject to two reasonable constructions, the harsher may be applied to penalize a defendant "only when Congress has spoken in clear and definite language." McNally v. United States, 483 U.S. 350, 359, 107 S.Ct. 2875, 2881, 97 L.Ed.2d 292 (1987). Thus, Nilsen's conviction can be affirmed only if the term "thing of value" unambiguously covers intangible considerations. As the Second Circuit Court of Appeals noted in United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (1979), Congress' frequent use of "thing of value" in various criminal statutes has evolved the phrase into a term of art which the courts generally construe to envelope both tangibles and intangibles.

This broad interpretation is based upon a recognition that monetary worth is not the sole measure of value. See United States v. Schwartz, 785 F.2d 673, 679 (9th Cir.1986). The conduct and expectations of both the defendant and the subject of the extortionate threat also can establish whether an intangible objective is a "thing of value." See United States v. Zouras, 497 F.2d 1115, 1121 (7th Cir.1974). The testimony of a key government witness has previously been held to be a "thing of value" within the meaning of § 876 based upon the contents of a threatening letter from the defendant to the witness and the witness's testimony that she valued the right to testify against the defendant. Id. We therefore hold that the phrase "thing of value" is a clearly defined term that includes intangible objectives, and that the evidence was sufficient to establish that Nilsen mailed a threatening letter with intent to extort a thing of value from Ferullo — her testimony linking him to two of the state bank robbery charges pending against him.

Testimony is by definition information, as that's the whole point. You've now spent a lot of time furiously spewing horseshit while accusing everyone else of exactly what you're doing.

I know you're not mature enough to apologize when you're wrong, I was just poking you about your incredibly thin skin. These posts are really just to show everyone else how childish and full of shit you are.
 
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Are you fucking kidding me?

From US v. Nilsen:

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921506967F2d539_11407/U.S. v. NILSEN



Testimony is by definition information, as that's the whole point. You've now spent a lot of time furiously spewing horseshit while accusing everyone else of exactly what you're doing.

I know you're not mature enough to apologize when you're wrong, I was just poking you about your incredibly thin skin. These posts are really just to show everyone else how childish and full of shit you are.
This has NOTHING to do with FEC campaign finance laws...NOTHING. You're deliberately conflating because you have nothing left but dishonesty in your incredibly pathetic attempt to save face.

Tell me something, how do you feel about the Clinton campaign paying Fusion GPS for opposition research obtained directly from foreign nationals/agents/spies?
 

brycejones

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DSF I thought you were going to wait until all the investigations were complete before passing judgement on what happened. What happened?
 

fskimospy

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This has NOTHING to do with FEC campaign finance laws...NOTHING. You're deliberately conflating because you have nothing left but dishonesty in your incredibly pathetic attempt to save face.

Are you claiming that campaign finance law has a different definition of 'anything of value' than the rest of the legal system? What is your basis for this?

One of us is being incredibly pathetic here and it's the guy who is claiming that information to damage one's political opponents isn't a thing of value and that campaign law has a magical and special definition of information different than the rest of the legal system which just so happens to exclude it.

You're embarrassing yourself. Grow up.

Tell me something, how do you feel about the Clinton campaign paying Fusion GPS for opposition research obtained directly from foreign nationals/agents/spies)?

Nice Whataboutism. Stop deflecting.
 
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emperus

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Form the email posted by Trump Jr.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very helpful to your father.

This is obviously very high level sensitive informtaion but is part of Russia and its governemnt's support for Mr. Trump helped along by Aras and Emin
 
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I just want to say this is what happens when we let foreign powers mess with elections
This isn't saying Trump is guilty or innocent it's just saying tons of fabricated news and manipulated news is around for all we know these stories are being leaked by Russian agents to sow chaos and mistrust
I'd really like us all to work together and have civil disagreements
 
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fskimospy

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NYT now apparently has the email in question which, if accurate shows Trump Jr. lied again about the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/...=BreakingNews&contentID=65556520&pgtype=Blogs

Good thing he hired that criminal defense attorney the other day, haha.

The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.
 

K1052

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The NYT got the emails and DJT decided to poop them out preemptively. He knew exactly what kind of person he was meeting and for what purpose, so did Kushner/Manafort. They have all lied extensively about this matter.

describes the person they are meeting as a "Russian government attorney"

Initial contact page of thread:

 

emperus

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Since you're so outraged, so patriotic, and so intellectually honest...please tell me how you feel about Clinton's campaign paying Fusion GPS for opposition research information directly solicited from foreign nationals.

Nice Deflection and I'm not sure why you think the two are even equitable. I'm sure you also know what a foreign agent is. That being but you should get your facts straight. Again, if you were really intellectually honest, ask yourself why you would deflect at all to Fusion GPS?

Trump dossier and Christopher Steele[edit]
In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired to do opposition research for Republicans who opposed Donald Trump's bid during the Republican primary campaign for the 2016 presidential election. After Trump became the Republican candidate for the 2016 U.S. presidential election, the Republican donors stopped funding the investigation, but funding was continued by Democratic supporters of Hillary Clinton.[12] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele issued a series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[12]
 

Mxylplyx

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The NYT got the emails and DJT decided to poop them out preemptively. He knew exactly what kind of person he was meeting and for what purpose, so did Kushner/Manafort. They have all lied extensively about this matter.

describes the person they are meeting as a "Russian government attorney"

Initial contact page of thread:


My goodness. Does it get any more clear than that?
 

vi edit

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LOL. The NYT troll game is on point these couple days. It's like they gave WaPo a bit of a break to go and do some overtime research and come back with something even more fun.
 

ivwshane

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This has NOTHING to do with FEC campaign finance laws...NOTHING. You're deliberately conflating because you have nothing left but dishonesty in your incredibly pathetic attempt to save face.

Tell me something, how do you feel about the Clinton campaign paying Fusion GPS for opposition research obtained directly from foreign nationals/agents/spies?


How do you feel about that?
 

K1052

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People from the Trump campaign and surrogates just spent several days on TV saying this was all bullshit and he didn't know who he was meeting or for what reason. Looking forward to checking out a few shows tonight...
 

vi edit

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Speaking of WaPo....the far fringes of reporting have been saying for over a week now that that they are sitting on some very damning information but the IC/Mueller have asked them to hold it. I wonder if any of that was related to this stuff that NYT is scooping.
 

vi edit

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People from the Trump campaign and surrogates just spent several days on TV saying this was all bullshit and he didn't know who he was meeting or for what reason. Looking forward to checking out a few shows tonight...

If Maddow could spontaneously combust into a gleeful explosion of glitter and unicorn farts she is probably pretty close to it right now.
 

Pens1566

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Speaking of WaPo....the far fringes of reporting have been saying for over a week now that that they are sitting on some very damning information but the IC/Mueller have asked them to hold it. I wonder if any of that was related to this stuff that NYT is scooping.

It might be loosely related, but it seems like they've knowingly concentrated on different stories. If I had to guess, they've done some kind of trade off where whoever is farther along takes it first and the other complements it after breaking.
 
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