Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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zinfamous

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The sad thing is, the American right wing has been building up this "we're entitled to rule" mindset for a while. I believe it started after 9/11, when the right was convinced that only they could fight terrorism, and was made worse over time. A so-so 2004 Democrat campaign and Karl Rove fearmongering gave Bush Jr. a second term that reinforced the notion the Republicans were meant to lead... and of course, when the Republicans lost in 2008 to a black man with a foreign-sounding name, supporters lost their everloving minds. It was easy for Fox News, Limbaugh and others to portray Obama as some kind of horrible outside usurper, and the GOP fed into that by openly declaring their policy as "whatever Obama is for, we're against." The result: millions of people who believe that Republican rule was 'stolen' from them.

So when Obama's term is up and the Republican candidate is someone who both spent years pandering to that Obama-is-an-outsider myth and indulges all the right's wet dream fantasies (brown people are to blame for all your problems! Climate change isn't real!)... well, they flock to him in droves. If Trump is removed before 2020, you'll get a vicious backlash because his supporters see him as restoring the 'natural' order of things... that is, an eternal Republican dictatorship.

Agreed, and that's why I think Pence needs to remain. Half of these people compromised their souls simply because of Pence: he is the real God, Trump is the anti-christ. Trump was given to us by god to cleanse this country (burn it down), so that the true Christ, Pence, can redeem us.

These people...actually. believe. this.

This is why Pence needs to remain. ...now, I doubt that he would be reasonable, it is dubious to assume that he would manage to rationalize these people back to reality, because he is just as insane, but something tells me that the ouster of a POTUS within their first term would be a large enough shockwave...hopefully...to startle the GOP and the new administration back into coherence. well, maybe. Either way, they will be a lame duck party. If this drags out through 2018 (which it will), the mid-terms will very likely remove any pretense of GOP power for quite some time.

This long, tiring, experiment of minority rule in the USA has sickened everyone, and it can't be allowed to happen again....of course I could be wrong. It could be that these people are far, far sicker than anyone wants to imagine. It is possible that the diseased souls of Ryan and McConnell will continue to stroke the fantasies of their most righteous base..."if only you give us enough time to destroy your livelihoods, for our gain! please, just one more election!"
 
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Oh man I'm having fun reading some of the right wing sites twisting themselves into knots not knowing how to respond to the lasted news about Rinat Akhmetshin also being present. Some want to believe Kushner is to blame for all of this. Others are blaming Obama and Lynch and it was all some kind of elaborate set up. Not a single one can accept that maybe, just maybe, the Trumps are just as corrupt as they've always seemed to be.
 

jana519

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...unter-intelligence-officer-trump-team-n782851

And there's the link. So yet another person with Russia ties in the room. Christ how many times is this story going to change?

Ho. Lee. Fuk. I'm actually picking my jaw up off the floor right now...

I thought there was no possible way it could have gotten worse at this point, but it actually has. These guys, this administration, is about chest deep in a river of shit with this Russian collusion. And very soon you'll see it go up to their eyeballs, and people are going to start abandoning the whole effing ship. It's already happening. Some officials in the administration are now refusing to publicly defend Trump anymore for fear of legal jeopardy.
 

HomerJS

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Oh man I'm having fun reading some of the right wing sites twisting themselves into knots not knowing how to respond to the lasted news about Rinat Akhmetshin also being present. Some want to believe Kushner is to blame for all of this. Others are blaming Obama and Lynch and it was all some kind of elaborate set up. Not a single one can accept that maybe, just maybe, the Trumps are just as corrupt as they've always seemed to be.
Any recommendations for weekend funnies?
 

jana519

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If Hannity doesn't denounce Don Jr as a liar and a crook, he himself should be denounced as a stooge of the Trump administration by every news outlet in America. Jr played this guy like a damn fool. Where is the fucking outrage, America?
 

woolfe9998

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Some officials in the administration are now refusing to publicly defend Trump anymore for fear of legal jeopardy.

Even Charles Krauthammer, who's been calling the Russia collusion investigation ridiculous, has turned on Trump after this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...rump-jr-criticism_us_59682ff3e4b0d6341fe7cd09

It seems that Krauthammer now realizes that Trump and his people have been lying all this time about their Russia ties. I think he's embarrassed over the fact that he has been carrying water for them all this time. Serves him right. Sensible people have known they were lying all long.
 

sdifox

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If Hannity doesn't denounce Don Jr as a liar and a crook, he himself should be denounced as a stooge of the Trump administration by every news outlet in America. Jr played this guy like a damn fool. Where is the fucking outrage, America?


Hannity the one that never retracts lies?
 

zinfamous

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If Hannity doesn't denounce Don Jr as a liar and a crook, he himself should be denounced as a stooge of the Trump administration by every news outlet in America. Jr played this guy like a damn fool. Where is the fucking outrage, America?

Are you kidding? Hannity is in line for prime anchor and personality, the (secondary) face of the upcoming Trump News Network. The Trump stain around Hannity's mouth will never be cleaned.
 

HomerJS

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Krauthammer is another loathsome fucking cryptofascist. He can burn in hell with the rest of them.
And he's not all that bright. He was snowed like the rest of the Trump rubes. Fortunately most of us knew this guy was a fraud and a disaster from the start.
 

xthetenth

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I happen to like long and indulgent far more than the sound bites we usually get from politicians. Maybe that is just me. To each their own I guess.

As for being repetitious, maybe that is because "2+2" always equals "4", and there are those that deny such evident truths to themselves and then try to pass on the falsehoods they cling to onto others. His generous gift of spending time telling that to those that don't get it yet should be rewarded rather than punished.

All moonie does is ask what 2+2 is. He doesn't provide an answer, and when he is answered he asks again. He asks us at endless length to consider his ideas, but he doesn't consider our responses or whether our responses make it painfully clear that we have considered his ideas and found them wanting. A point comes eventually when it's time to stop justifying him continually asking what 2+2 is and move on to something intellectually challenging.
 

jana519

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Even Charles Krauthammer, who's been calling the Russia collusion investigation ridiculous, has turned on Trump after this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...rump-jr-criticism_us_59682ff3e4b0d6341fe7cd09

It seems that Krauthammer now realizes that Trump and his people have been lying all this time about their Russia ties. I think he's embarrassed over the fact that he has been carrying water for them all this time. Serves him right. Sensible people have known they were lying all long.

From the article:

It’s a hell of a defense to say your collusion might be incompetent,” he told Fox News’ Martha MacCallum on Tuesday. “If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods and it turns out the stolen goods don’t show up but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a very weak story saying, ‘Well, I got swindled here.

Fucking spot on LUL
 

SMOGZINN

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All moonie does is ask what 2+2 is. He doesn't provide an answer, and when he is answered he asks again. He asks us at endless length to consider his ideas, but he doesn't consider our responses or whether our responses make it painfully clear that we have considered his ideas and found them wanting. A point comes eventually when it's time to stop justifying him continually asking what 2+2 is and move on to something intellectually challenging.
You are just saying that because you hate yourself
 

agent00f

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The more the lies build up the more I'm thinking Trump himself had to have been present.

When you think about how this story has unfolded, they are clearly protecting someone bigger than themselves.

Don Jr releases the e-mails to fall on his sword thinking that'd take the pressure off things. But it just ratchets the heat up further. And Trump's own comments on it, basically saying anyone would take that meeting fits with his arrogance. And it strains credibility that this meeting was in his building, while he was there, and he didn't know anything about it. But later that same day comes the first Hillary e-mail tweets.

Obviously I'm just connecting the dots and don't have hard evidence, but it's not a stretch at this point that they're all just trying to protect him and that he was there.

Actually it turns out Jr only released the emails because the NYT was going to release them anyway. As a courtesy they reach out to the relevant parties for comment beforehand, and Jr reacted by preemptively releasing himself to pretend he was being "transparent". It kind of worked because that's the narrative the degens are going with: "see he has nothing to hide" no matter how incriminating the emails are.

He could have been the interpreter. Somebody in the room could very well have said "We can release very damaging internal communications from the DNC, damaging emails from Podesta, deploy internet brigades & state media on your behalf. What can we expect in return?"

That doesn't mean it happened. OTOH, Trump Jr showed up in hopes of something like that. Goldstone led him to believe something like that was in the offing whether it was true or not.

Jr didn't recognize that there's a line between domestic political dirt digging & espionage by a hostile foreign power. TrumpCo & all too many American multinationals are so accustomed to doing business w/ foreign govts that they see themselves as above the law & above the interests of the govt of the people.

It's pretty amusing how much you just parrot the media, who're still trying to give Jr benefit of the doubt even though it's pretty obvious he's lying through this teeth.
 

chucky2

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So. You're here. Why don't you have anything to say on the matter? Why is it that you're just doing a roll call but don't seem to have a coherent response for why this is all fine? Are you just conceding that actually this is all terrible but you can't bear to admit it to yourself, let alone show weakness in public in front of all those horrid libs?

What would I need to comment on? A jv political operation went and took an opportunity to secure dirt (something every political campaign secures to use on their opponent) on Team Billary - The Varsity - and did it in a jv political operation manner. Dirt is dirt, I don't give two shits where it comes from. If you're clean, no matter where people go, they can't get dirt on you. If you're not, then, you deserve to get dirty in the public eye.

Irrespective of that, The Left (which includes The Left media arm, the mainstream media) is butthurt from grasping defeat from the jaws of victory, only because they'd nodded up and down at themselves how awesome and hotshit they were, and how those dumb@ss Degenerates couldn't tie their shoes much less manage to elect OrangeTweeter. Well, they were wrong. For once in their lives, middle of the road and to the Right sheeple decided to get off their @SS and not vote for the professional lier, sorry, Politician, and voted for a non-Politician (POS though he may be). I'm sure some of the Left base staying home and not voting for a fake didn't help either, but, who can really blame them for that? All this results in a huge whine and rage fest, where emotionally Lefties need to lash out to defend their mental view of themselves, and politically, Dems need to play whatever cards they can to ensure 2016 doesn't leech over into 2018 and 2020. Since politically they have no power, they are doing the Public Tarnish Campaign where they're going to trump up (no pun intended...ok...maybe a little) whatever they can push out there get a.) their base engaged for 2018 and 2020, b.) middle of the road people on their side for 2018 and 2020, and c.) Right leaning people either coming over to their side for 2018 and 2020, or, just staying home like enough of their side did in 2016 to make the difference. As humiliating as 2016 was for Dems, what cannot be allowed to happen is the political numbers stay where they are for 2018 and 2020. That is going to set the liberal agenda back a couple of decades at least, and after all the persistent work they've been doing in the media and in the classroom to push that agenda, that's just too painful to bear. Plus of course, I mean, they're Intellectuals: WhoTF is anyone else compared to them, Team Intellectual?

In Short: I see this for what it is, the jv crew going to get dirt, and The Other Side playing their really only play in stirring up enough fake concern to influence voters down the road (however that works depending on the voter). I mean, we're talking about the Dems here...the party with a base made up of Socialists and Communists - do you really expect any of us laughing at the absurdity of the OMG Russia! concern to think this is anything but #Resist! instead of actual concern? LOL, come now...
 
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