Trump 6 point lead

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Perknose

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its particularly difficult this time around. I suspect theres an awful lot of people lying on polls and we may get some shocking results when voting actually starts.
I suspect the same, specifically that there are folks voting for Trump who haven't been willing to publicly admit that. I still think Hillary will win, but, damn, it's going to be closer than I wanted it to be. Comey did not help.
 

ivwshane

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This will be the year that determines if the polling industry needs to revamp or not. If the results match up this year then models like 538 will be the future, if not, then who knows what to predict. My main concern right now is accurate online polling, I just don't think it's trust worthy.
 

brycejones

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This will be the year that determines if the polling industry needs to revamp or not. If the results match up this year then models like 538 will be the future, if not, then who knows what to predict. My main concern right now is accurate online polling, I just don't think it's trust worthy.

Any poll that is self selecting is bogus for telling anything about a broad group of people.
 

Pens1566

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he was WAY off on the Cubs chances tho, something around 26% going into game 6. I trust him too, but that was just a silly number

He's missed the under-polled demographic entirely. Namely, hispanics. He has nothing in his model to deal with early voting (big data point in 2020 I'm guessing) and the "unlikely" voters from certain demographics in NV, AZ, NC, FL, GA are going to really throw off his results. I think FL will be called early and end the night except for all intents and purposes.
 

werepossum

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I suspect the same, specifically that there are folks voting for Trump who haven't been willing to publicly admit that. I still think Hillary will win, but, damn, it's going to be closer than I wanted it to be. Comey did not help.
Probably an artifact of being in highly conservative Tennessee, but I've seen it just the opposite. Hillary voters are ashamed of it, never volunteer it until they are sure I'm not going to attack them for it, and not at all enthused, almost universally expressing a desire to have a different candidate. Trump voters on the other hand are universally proud of it - even those who hasten to assure that they don't like Trump or have "some problems" with him - and usually volunteer that information without being asked. My wife just made a trip to Gatlinburg and back, and the whole trip saw exactly one Hillary sticker and hundreds of Trump stickers.

But as I said, that's Tennessee, and it's an extremely conservative states. Support for gay marriage almost universally made people look at me like I'd grown a second head (and not an attractive one either) right up until it happened. Even my gay friend (all right, I actually have two just in case something happens to Ken) said it could never happen in his lifetime just a week or so before it happened. So . . . not a particularly representative state.
 

zinfamous

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Probably an artifact of being in highly conservative Tennessee, but I've seen it just the opposite. Hillary voters are ashamed of it, never volunteer it until they are sure I'm not going to attack them for it, and not at all enthused, almost universally expressing a desire to have a different candidate. Trump voters on the other hand are universally proud of it - even those who hasten to assure that they don't like Trump or have "some problems" with him - and usually volunteer that information without being asked. My wife just made a trip to Gatlinburg and back, and the whole trip saw exactly one Hillary sticker and hundreds of Trump stickers.

But as I said, that's Tennessee, and it's an extremely conservative states. Support for gay marriage almost universally made people look at me like I'd grown a second head (and not an attractive one either) right up until it happened. Even my gay friend (all right, I actually have two just in case something happens to Ken) said it could never happen in his lifetime just a week or so before it happened. So . . . not a particularly representative state.

lulz.

Crap, does this mean that, as a liberal, I need a backup in case something happens to my black friend? (which, frankly, is a serious risk) crap...
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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This will be the year that determines if the polling industry needs to revamp or not. If the results match up this year then models like 538 will be the future, if not, then who knows what to predict. My main concern right now is accurate online polling, I just don't think it's trust worthy.

Called it!
 
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