Trump accepts Dem demands on Harvey/CR/debt ceiling, infuriating GOP leaders

[JEDI]

A majority of the GOP will approve any Repub bill before it sees the light of day on the House floor.

Fixed

 

[Fern]

the repubs were in complete control of this scenario.
the Dems are powerless in the House and there's no way they (Senate Dems) would filibuster the Hurricane relief that was attached to the Repubs 18month debt ceiling/govt funding bill.

why did Trump accept the Dem's offer of only 3month debt ceiling/govt funding?
that only causes pain for the Repubs because they have to waste time revisiting this issue BEFORE the midterm elections.

so why did Trump cave in to the Dems?!

Payback for the GOP Congress not playing ball with him and his agenda. I suspect Trump feels if the Repubs won't play ball with him, he'll play ball with the Dems. Punishment/retribution for Mitch and Paul.

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He doesn't really like the GOP, they (largely) didn't support him, and now their Congress is stuck in the mud. Schumer/Pelosi can also deliver something that McConnell/Ryan can't: the votes of their caucus. Probably from his pov now why bother much with the GOP agenda if he can actually close deals with the Dems and he has no principles to speak of that can be violated. Downside is now that the Republicans will be forced into openly opposing their own president, something that probably will split the party.

^Yep.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

A majority of the GOP have to approve before any bill can see the light of day on the House floor.

218, to be precise-

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/15/44892...ibes-how-the-freedom-caucus-hijacked-congress

 

[K1052]

Package has passed the House. ALL Dems voted yea. 90 GOP nay votes.

Conservative fiscal hawks are going to get bent over for the next three years and change.

 

[trenchfoot]

Package has passed the House. ALL Dems voted yea. 90 GOP nay votes.

Conservative fiscal hawks are going to get bent over for the next three years and change.

Nic Nak Paddywhack give those 'Pubs the bone!

 

[fskimospy]

Package has passed the House. ALL Dems voted yea. 90 GOP nay votes.

Conservative fiscal hawks are going to get bent over for the next three years and change.

I think you guys are reading way too much into a single event.

 

[Meghan54]

Seemed appropriate:

 

[SMOGZINN]

A majority of the GOP have to approve before any bill can see the light of day on the House floor.

You are right...

And it happened.

 

[K1052]

I think you guys are reading way too much into a single event.

To use Trump's favorite phrase...we'll see. Mulvaney, one of their own, was greeted with boos and open scorn while not promising anything that they'd like happening in December.

 

[K1052]

You are right...

And it happened.

That said the "Hastert Rule" isn't written in blood. Boehner broke it like half a dozen times. It's a guideline not a rule.

 

[K1052]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...iriticize-steven-mnuchin-mick-mulvaney-242490

But the huddle quickly went off the rails when Rep. Tim Walberg stood up to say President Donald Trump needed to play more with the team. The Michigan Republican said he was all for bipartisanship. But he argued that Trump shouldn’t have blindsided the conference the way he did when he struck a deal with Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, undercutting GOP leaders.

Lol...what about Trump says "Team Player"?

And the room booed when Mulvaney and Mnuchin refused to commit to spending cuts during the next debt ceiling debate — and then asked for their vote on the current legislation.

Not awkward at all.

Republicans are putting Trump on notice: Don’t do this to us again.

That should work.

 

[Commodus]

While this doesn't suddenly make Trump a RINO, it is fun to see Republicans realize that chaining themselves to an impulsive, egocentric leader will inevitably backfire.

Then again, I can't help but think that the GOP knew this and was just hoping the effect wouldn't be too bad. I've used the analogy before, but it's more valid than ever: it's like they're hopping into the car of a drunk friend because they're desperate to get home. They suspected it was a bad idea, they're just hoping he doesn't crash the car somewhere along the way... and now, they're having those inevitable regrets.

 

[fskimospy]

While this doesn't suddenly make Trump a RINO, it is fun to see Republicans realize that chaining themselves to an impulsive, egocentric leader will inevitably backfire.

Then again, I can't help but think that the GOP knew this and was just hoping the effect wouldn't be too bad. I've used the analogy before, but it's more valid than ever: it's like they're hopping into the car of a drunk friend because they're desperate to get home. They suspected it was a bad idea, they're just hoping he doesn't crash the car somewhere along the way... and now, they're having those inevitable regrets.

I'm interested to see what Republicans do to push back at this, if anything. For example I wonder what would happen if Republicans in Congress suddenly became a lot more interested in investigating Trump's Russia connections or possible conflicts of interest he has.

 

[jmagg]

In politics, when both sides hate you, you're doing something right.

 

[Thump553]

I actually think this plays into the hands of the GOP for the following reasons:

1) Rank and file GOP Congress critters can blame Trump and the Dems, and give their usual sputtering and ranting about the perils of deficit spending and that they would never support it.

2) This frees up a LOT of time later this month for the GOP to pass their signature billionaire tax give back changes (labeled as so-called tax reform).

3) Harvey relief sails right through without repeated rebroadcasts of their hypocritical bluster a few years ago against Sandy relief.

4) Trump will inevitably blow up at the Dems (inevitably measured in a matter of days most likely) for not cooperating with him on his Mexican-paid wall, gutting Medicare and healthcare, etc. Then the critters can lament about the amateur and do lots of "I told you so".

5) In the absolutely worst case scenario they can do their dog and pony show three months from now-safely beyond the November elections.

In short the GOP gets what they really wanted with none of embarrassing backlash. Trump did them a favor.

 

[senseamp]

He knows that conservatives are going to go full retard again. So he is putting a path of least resistance in place, that as government heads for shutdown, moderates can bail to.

 

[Commodus]

I'm interested to see what Republicans do to push back at this, if anything. For example I wonder what would happen if Republicans in Congress suddenly became a lot more interested in investigating Trump's Russia connections or possible conflicts of interest he has.

The one thing that makes me hesitant on that front is that Republicans know what happens if they turn on Trump; even in the current climate, they can forget about winning in 2020 (or 2018 if they change their attitude soon enough). I mean, they've been hurting their chances simply by lashing themselves to such an incompetent, egomaniacal leader in the first place, but turning on Trump would erode support from at least some loyalists.

 

[fskimospy]

The one thing that makes me hesitant on that front is that Republicans know what happens if they turn on Trump; even in the current climate, they can forget about winning in 2020 (or 2018 if they change their attitude soon enough). I mean, they've been hurting their chances simply by lashing themselves to such an incompetent, egomaniacal leader in the first place, but turning on Trump would erode support from at least some loyalists.

I think there are probably lots of ways they can subtly turn up the heat on those sort of investigations while remaining publicly 'loyal' to Trump, meaning they would basically be firing a warning shot if he got too far out of line.

 

[kage69]

I wonder how much of it was sheer vindictive spite, for making him a loser and liar for the umpteenth time wrt the repeal/replace debacle.

Hilarious to see republicans act like this is somehow a big shift regarding Trump's behavior.

Lyin Ryan and Turtle McFuckstick, welcome to the party, glad you could join us!

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think you guys are reading way too much into a single event.

I agree and with all of the trouble that Trump has right now a deflection was required to reduce the heat.

 

[VRAMdemon]

There are two things at play here. First, voting against hurricane relief is a sure loser come 2018. Most of the GOP realize this, particularly since in this case most of the terrible damage is in states that tend to vote strongly for the GOP. Second, the GOP knows they probably can't pass legislation to raise the debt ceiling without some support from the Democrats. There are too many Freedom Caucus types who will vote against raising the debt ceiling every single time because they really want to push us into default.

So basically, they got trapped by Trump, Schumer and Pelosi and have to go along with it. That's why Ryan and McConnell were so pissed.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In politics, when both sides hate you, you're doing something right.

Ted Cruze, the guy whose Father helped kill Kennedy is doing something right?

 

[dank69]

You are right...

And it happened.

I expected this one to go through. We were talking about Dems and Trump creating bills though with only minimal GOP support. Bills like that probably wouldn't see the light of day.

 

[Jhhnn]

In politics, when both sides hate you, you're doing something right.

Or it follows the principle that even a blind squirrel finds a few acorns...