Trump acts against Syria- 49 Tomahawk Missiles strike air force base.

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CluelessOne

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The final takeaway from this Trump attack:
Runway completely undamaged
Most bunkers undamaged
Zero dead or injured personnel
Out of 59 tomahawks fired, only 23 actually made it to their targets.




Good enough for government work amirite

Did you really think one target gets only one missile? No, you assign at least two for each target. Therefore 23 targets for 60 is perfect score. The targets are fuel and ammo bunkers, control tower, radars. Maintenance sheds. Things that are needed to run an air base or airport. It will cost a lot to replace them.
 

antihelten

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Did you really think one target gets only one missile? No, you assign at least two for each target. Therefore 23 targets for 60 is perfect score. The targets are fuel and ammo bunkers, control tower, radars. Maintenance sheds. Things that are needed to run an air base or airport. It will cost a lot to replace them.

The claim isn't that "only" 23 targets were hit, but that only 23 missiles hit their intended targets.

It's worth noting though that this claim comes from RT, so it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The official claim from the US is that 58 out of 59 missiles found their target. This claim is apparently based on satellite image analysis done by the Israeli company ImageSat International.
 
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This will turn into a second Iraq. Decades of instability for Syria to come.
Trump needs to justify the increased spending towards the military.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Then what? This "strategy" is incomplete at best.

Apparently we're back to regime change.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/middleeast/syria-missile-strike-chemical-attack-aftermath/

I don't like that at all because we can wind up with another Iraq. Trump should have kept his mouth shut and not said anything about changing Obama's policy of removal. I'm concerned the people who claim that the airbase strike was a sham because we didn't go further will have the situation clarified and they'll get a heap of death as the proof they insist on.
 

mikeymikec

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Apparently we're back to regime change.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/middleeast/syria-missile-strike-chemical-attack-aftermath/

I don't like that at all because we can wind up with another Iraq. Trump should have kept his mouth shut and not said anything about changing Obama's policy of removal. I'm concerned the people who claim that the airbase strike was a sham because we didn't go further will have the situation clarified and they'll get a heap of death as the proof they insist on.

I'd be surprised if there is a single person here is concerned that we didn't manage to kill 'a decent number of people' or something similar. I think the concern is that while waging a necessary war is one thing, and avoiding an unnecessary war is another, but what all the evidence here points to is a complete sham that wasted a shit-ton of money and achieved literally absolutely nothing. The US may as well have agreed with Assad on a particular spot in the Syrian desert that is going to be fired upon, nothing there except for a big X, so Trump can say "we did good".
 
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What good is there in building vast quantities of weapons if you never use them?

I prefer to see it from the other side, more people with war trauma and hate for the west will appear which results in century long fuel for hate and extreme views. More segregation will appear.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'd be surprised if there is a single person here is concerned that we didn't manage to kill 'a decent number of people' or something similar. I think the concern is that while waging a necessary war is one thing, and avoiding an unnecessary war is another, but what all the evidence here points to is a complete sham that wasted a shit-ton of money and achieved literally absolutely nothing. The US may as well have agreed with Assad on a particular spot in the Syrian desert that is going to be fired upon, nothing there except for a big X, so Trump can say "we did good".

I understand people having doubts on how well the strike works but those who went with conspiracy because Trump didn't kill a bunch of Syrians and Russians? They'll completely freak out going directly "It's a Putin plot" to "and people said Hillary was a warmonger". You know they will and all it shows is that they had in advanced decided there was no course of action they would accept, or inaction if it came to it. Neo-birtherism is my just coined term for that because it makes no difference what happens, a way to twist intent will be found.

People said that no blood was proof of conspiracy. Well they may get plenty to settle the matter.
 

bshole

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From NPR, if you replace Assad, understand that you are replacing him with Islamists.


http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/08/523016523/what-is-the-u-s-goal-in-syria

These moderate opposition groups were prominent in the early days of the uprising. But as the war intensified, they lost ground to the Syrian military and radical Islamist groups. The CIA and the U.S. military have tried to boost the moderate rebels, with no success.

The U.S.-backed rebels are now bit players. They are involved in talks outside of Syria, and are still working with U.S. officials. But right now, they aren't significant actors in the war and don't have a realistic chance of taking on a major political role.

The Russians have sent in a warship. The world is profoundly less safe than it was a week ago. NO MORE ATTACKS!

A Russian warship has entered the eastern Mediterranean Sea Friday and is heading toward the two U.S. Navy destroyers that launched missile strikes into Syria, Fox News has learned.

The Russian frigate, Admiral Grigorovich RFS-494, crossed through the Bosphorus Strait “a few hours ago” from the Black Sea, according to a U.S. defense official.
 

woolfe9998

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Or maybe they asked their American sources who are neck deep in conspiracy theories.
One can understand why that sells to our enemies.

Who is neck deep? I'm aware of one media commentator who has endorsed this theory, and he hasn't even endorsed it that strongly.

If a few people on social media believe it, so what. The same can be said of pretty much anything, including theories far more absurd than that.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Who is neck deep? I'm aware of one media commentator who has endorsed this theory, and he hasn't even endorsed it that strongly.

If a few people on social media believe it, so what. The same can be said of pretty much anything, including theories far more absurd than that.

Well it's Anandtech Conspiracy Forum these days. Consider that it's been said that because we didn't kill Russians there's a conspiracy. Then this attack was a plan to help Trump, who has been hitting on Putin and likely to screw any easing of sanction, perhaps the reverse. Trump sucks, yeah no argument, but we're getting near Illuminati level on the part of some. That does not help with rational analysis of the situation.
 

Bitek

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Russia and Iran warn US they will 'respond with force'
...if red lines crossed in Syria again.

The war in Syria continues. Death toll mounts. Ball is in our court. What comes next?


I don't think we need to do anything. They will push back, but we should just ignore it.

The best message we could have sent was that the chemical weapons were out of bounds and Assad needs to reel it in. We're like the bouncer at the club yelling at jackasses to cool it or else.

It also has to be credible that Trump is unpredictable and reckless and a strong chance that he will take a risky action again.

The Russians and Chinese can shit on him all they want, some has a truth to it, but that doesn't mean he's not dangerous and they must act cautiously.
We are far more powerful than either, but all out war is bad for both sides.
 
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zinfamous

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Actually I'm not going to say anything more other than I would do very much as did Trump if I were to involve the military in an action. The failing is to not establish a clear policy and that does not include red lines or what I would do or do not do.

It is perfectly logical to have a policy of not saying what actions in advance of an action and letting the Russians and Syrians know so people aren't killed. Killing was NOT the goal.

Strategy and tactics aren't something many people understand, but this is 101 level
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but Trump promised to do none of that. He promised that he was "the best at strategy" by clearly understanding none of it! "You don't tell your targets where you are attacking!"

I guess he didn't warn the sand where the missiles actually hit, though.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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but Trump promised to do none of that. He promised that he was "the best at strategy" by clearly understanding none of it! "You don't tell your targets where you are attacking!"

I guess he didn't warn the sand where the missiles actually hit, though.

Sarcasm, right? Heaven I hope so
 

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Another tidbit
Mr. Shen added that many Chinese were “thrilled” by the attack because it would probably result in the United States becoming further mired in the Middle East.

“If the United States gets trapped in Syria, how can Trump make America great again? As a result, China will be able to achieve its peaceful rise,” Mr. Shen said, using a term Beijing employs to characterize its growing power. “Even though we say we oppose the bombing, deep in our hearts we are happy.”
 

bshole

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So Raytheon is set to make a tidy little profit. Their stock is getting a nice spike from this little bit of blood-letting....

I can't make up mind whether it is Saudi Arabia or our own defense contractors that are wagging this dog. I suspect of bit of both.

LoL! It turns out Donald Trump has 33 million dollars in Raytheon stock, it looks like he made himself a nifty little profit from this little adventure. Jesus, now I understand why he is dumping so much money into the Pentagon, his own personal profit. It is frankly baffling that we sit back and let him do it.
 

Bitek

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LoL! It turns out Donald Trump has 33 million dollars in Raytheon stock, it looks like he made himself a nifty little profit from this little adventure. Jesus, now I understand why he is dumping so much money into the Pentagon, his own personal profit. It is frankly baffling that we sit back and let him do it.

That's fucked up.

That's why we have to have a divested POTUS. The possibilities of corrupted action is just to great.
 
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