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glenn1

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I think the advantage in using tax dollars is that there would be relative immunity from tampering, which would prevent "accidents" I'd like to see parties pay, but into a fund not managed by them.

Not enough money to make a big deal of either way compared to the benefit derived. If the party bosses get to pawn a small portion of their operating costs onto the taxpayers but in return we're getting improved transparency and no more "let's hide our communications from oversight and FOIA requests" then still a good deal for taxpayers and citizens.
 

OrByte

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private email is one thing, I'm sure this WH will be all about being the most transparent WH ever. /s

an unsecured cell phone?? wow do you know how easy it is to gain access/info to a cell phone?
 
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Vic

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There is ZERO problem with politicians using private email accounts. The problem is with politicians using private accounts for anything involving their government work. Private email for their personal/private stuff, .gov emails for government / work related communications so they can be archived/retained/requested under FOIA etc.

This is not a difficult concept.

What kind of oversight is being proposed to ensure that Trump and his staff won't use their private email to circumvent FOIA, or send sensitive information, etc?
 

PokerGuy

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What kind of oversight is being proposed to ensure that Trump and his staff won't use their private email to circumvent FOIA, or send sensitive information, etc?

Huh? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to get at. If someone has their own private account, like biglyhandsTrump@gmail.com or something, there's no oversight of that account activity. That has never been the case, nor is there a requirement for their private email to be monitored, reviewed, kept etc. They are required to abide by whatever regulations are in place regarding communications related to their government work. If they are found to violate those regulations then their private emails can be subpoenaed as part of an investigation and appropriate actions can be taken including possible criminal charges if they transmit classified information etc etc etc.

You think someone should be monitoring their private non-work-related emails and communications to ensure they don't do something bad?
 

Vic

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Huh? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to get at. If someone has their own private account, like biglyhandsTrump@gmail.com or something, there's no oversight of that account activity. That has never been the case, nor is there a requirement for their private email to be monitored, reviewed, kept etc. They are required to abide by whatever regulations are in place regarding communications related to their government work. If they are found to violate those regulations then their private emails can be subpoenaed as part of an investigation and appropriate actions can be taken including possible criminal charges if they transmit classified information etc etc etc.

You think someone should be monitoring their private non-work-related emails and communications to ensure they don't do something bad?

So in other words, you're okay with Trump doing exactly what you condemned Clinton for.
 

PokerGuy

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So in other words, you're okay with Trump doing exactly what you condemned Clinton for.

Uh, no. Absolutely not. Do you need a refresher on the clinton email issues? She and her staff decided to use a private email server for ALL communications. Not just personal stuff, but all of it, including government work related emails and even classified emails. That means the emails were not available for FOIA requests, retention etc. The correct way to do things is to use your private email for your private activities, while using your .gov emails for all government / work related emails. Not only does it make common sense, in some cases you actually have to: you are not allowed to use government resources for certain political activities, fund raising and so forth, you have to use private resources.

Is this really that hard to follow? Do you need a diagram?
 

Vic

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Uh, no. Absolutely not. Do you need a refresher on the clinton email issues? She and her staff decided to use a private email server for ALL communications. Not just personal stuff, but all of it, including government work related emails and even classified emails. That means the emails were not available for FOIA requests, retention etc. The correct way to do things is to use your private email for your private activities, while using your .gov emails for all government / work related emails. Not only does it make common sense, in some cases you actually have to: you are not allowed to use government resources for certain political activities, fund raising and so forth, you have to use private resources.

Is this really that hard to follow? Do you need a diagram?

Without any changes in procedure or oversight, what is to prevent Trump and his staff from doing the exact same thing?

Is this really that hard to follow? Do you need a diagram?
 
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brandonbull

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Without any changes in procedure or oversight, what is to prevent Trump and his staff to do the exact same thing?

Is this really that hard to follow? Do you need a diagram?

Nothing can really prevent someone from sending emails about wedding arraignments and emails containing classified information from the same private email account. Just like nothing can really stop people from illegally obtaining firearms and shooting people. That's why we trust people will do the correct thing and we are reminded with laws and punishments as a second "conscious" if we decide to not to do the right thing.
 

Thebobo

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Trump lost the popular vote. Get over it and move on. No need to pile on him at this point.

Salra pein davertos

Sometimes I think watching him bitch and moan is priceless.

And then I think how sorry of a little psychopath he really is. I mean really he is. I actually start to feel sorry for the guy, He embarrasses himself and others daily with the things he says and does. Then I think of 8 years of Trumps birthers bull shit and my middle finger becomes erect.

Oh and yea it was even on the news last night about him not using govt phones.
 

Vic

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Nothing can really prevent someone from sending emails about wedding arraignments and emails containing classified information from the same private email account. Just like nothing can really stop people from illegally obtaining firearms and shooting people. That's why we trust people will do the correct thing and we are reminded with laws and punishments as a second "conscious" if we decide to not to do the right thing.

But it was determined by the appropriate legal authorities that Clinton and her staff didn't do anything illegal, but Republicans still threw a fit about it.
And while nothing is foolproof, in any workplace environment, there can be procedures put in place to attempt to prevent policy violations, if only to mitigate the risk. And it's management's job to figure out what those procedures should be and how they should be implemented.
But instead we're just getting bullshit to defend hypocrisy. Or maybe some people are just so naive that they actually do trust politicians who are on their side. Either way, that's not acceptable.
 
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brandonbull

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But it was determined by the appropriate legal authorities that Clinton and her staff didn't do anything illegal, but Republicans still threw fit about it.
And while nothing is foolproof, in any workplace environment, there can be procedures put in place to attempt to prevent policy violations, if only to mitigate the risk. And it's management's job to figure out what those procedures should be and how they should be implemented.
But instead we're just getting bullshit to defend hypocrisy. Or maybe some people are just so naive that they actually do trust politicians who are on their side. Either way, that's not acceptable.

I'm missing the problem. So you are saying that Trump and his staff cannot have private email accounts?
 

Vic

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I'm missing the problem. So you are saying that Trump and his staff cannot have private email accounts?
Not at all. I am saying that they may have and use private email accounts to the same extent that Trump, while on the campaign trail, approved of Clinton and her staff having and using private email accounts, and that Trump must establish procedures beforehand to address and prevent the potential for the abuses that he condemned Clinton for.

Do you need a diagram?
 

OutHouse

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CITATION NEEDED

Please show where Hillary Clinton personally sent classified information in any way that was criminal. You should be able to do so since you claim that this was proved.

Other than that, whoever broke the seal on this story should probably realize that not all the facts have trickled in just yet. What is clear is that there need to be some stricter guidelines in place for records-keeping when it comes to electronic communication.

there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information

sounds criminal to me.
 

Vic

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sounds criminal to me.
The FBI director disagreed and, last I checked, he will be keeping his job under Trump.
And I do not expect Comey to hold Trump to a higher standard than he held Clinton to.
 

PokerGuy

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Without any changes in procedure or oversight, what is to prevent Trump and his staff to do the exact same thing?

Is this really that hard to follow? Do you need a diagram?

Apparently it is really that hard to follow for you. The federal records act was changed in 2014 (after illary was sec state) to explicitly require that personal email address can only be used for government business if every to/from email also copies their official .gov email address.

There are regulations in place to make sure that communications are retained, but they have to be enforced and when someone is found to be in violation of regs they need to be appropriately punished.

Using personal accounts for purposes outside of government business is appropriate. Using them for government business is not. That's the central unchanging tenet. So no, saying I'm OK with the Trumpsters doing the same thing is illary did is not accurate, it's a load of crap.
 

brandonbull

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Not at all. I am saying that they may have and use private email accounts to the same extent that Trump, while on the campaign trail, approved of Clinton and her staff having and using private email accounts, and that Trump must establish procedures beforehand to address and prevent the potential for the abuses that he condemned Clinton for.

Do you need a diagram?

The processes and procedures are in place and have been well established. Do you need a diagram? You seem to have order extras and are looking to offload a few.
 

PokerGuy

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Not at all. I am saying that they may have and use private email accounts to the same extent that Trump, while on the campaign trail, approved of Clinton and her staff having and using private email accounts, and that Trump must establish procedures beforehand to address and prevent the potential for the abuses that he condemned Clinton for.

Do you need a diagram?

illary and her minions used ONLY private email accounts for everything, private communications and government work related ones. That's the problem. Had they used private emails for private communications and .gov emails for government business, there would be no problems and they would not have run afoul of any regulations or "recklessly" (according to the FBI) risked classified information.

If that distinction is not clear to you, then there's probably very little that can help you. You need more than a diagram

Trying to create a false equivalence between what illary and her minions were doing and what the Trump admin is doing is either terminally stupid or blatant trolling.
 
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