Trump administration sues Bolton over book dispute

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SMOGZINN

Lifer
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Well he’s allowed to tweet as asinine comments as he wants. But if the lawyers argue the same thing in court, yeah it will be laughed out of it quickly
Well, we are going to find out.
Trump administration asks court to stop release of Bolton's book by claiming it would reveal government secrets

The Justice Department's court filing on Wednesday -- asking DC District Court Judge Royce Lamberth for an emergency order -- turns a Trump White House squabble and contract dispute into an attempt to protect government secrets. The Justice Department request, though considered a long-shot by legal experts, could strain constitutional free speech guarantees if granted and challenge landmark First Amendment court cases.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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That Yosemite Sam Bitch is a traitor to keep his mouth shut about all of this while impeachment was happening is simply pure greed and I highly doubt this guy needed the extra cash.
Greedy mofo.
Could be greed, or it could be that the stories in his book are fictional.
The thing everyone seems to forget is that Trump hate books aren't an expression of some patriotic need to warn the american voter about Trump. They're written to generate revenue. The book is written, edited, and marketed with the sole purpose of maximizing sales. The lawsuit to stop it from being published is literally a gift from God. That level of marketing can't be purchased for any amount of money.
 
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Could be greed, or it could be that the stories in his book are fictional.
The thing everyone seems to forget is that Trump hate books aren't an expression of some patriotic need to warn the american voter about Trump. They're written to generate revenue. The book is written, edited, and marketed with the sole purpose of maximizing sales. The lawsuit to stop it from being published is literally a gift from God. That level of marketing can't be purchased for any amount of money.

Could be however I want to note:
There has been a consistent pattern
From hearing him on the Stern show on and off for a couple of decades, I believe it
Regarding China, the President said on live TV he wanted China’s help
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Could be greed, or it could be that the stories in his book are fictional.
The thing everyone seems to forget is that Trump hate books aren't an expression of some patriotic need to warn the american voter about Trump. They're written to generate revenue. The book is written, edited, and marketed with the sole purpose of maximizing sales. The lawsuit to stop it from being published is literally a gift from God. That level of marketing can't be purchased for any amount of money.

Sure it can, how much does a lawsuit cost
 

Stokely

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I definitely do. I have nothing against Mike. John Bolton is scum (based on his political positions, I don't know much about the man). If he'd had his way we'd probably be in a war right now.

Having him and Trump fight is like Sauron vs Saruman, you might want them to destroy each other but don't forget they'd both like to squash the Democrats even more.
 

Moonbeam

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Could be greed, or it could be that the stories in his book are fictional.
The thing everyone seems to forget is that Trump hate books aren't an expression of some patriotic need to warn the american voter about Trump. They're written to generate revenue. The book is written, edited, and marketed with the sole purpose of maximizing sales. The lawsuit to stop it from being published is literally a gift from God. That level of marketing can't be purchased for any amount of money.
I don't think there is any doubt that you could be right, but I would say it's also possible that you are not? Neither of us can know as only Bolton himself knows if he is creating sensationalism to sell his book. For example, the simple truth might itself be so shocking he doesn't have to make anything up.

But the important thing to me, since I care more about you than I do about Bolton's real character, is to wonder how it came to pass you have such a negative view of other people's motivations. I'm wondering, for example, if your high love of the good might not be the result of fear of failing to live up to standards set by your parents. I know for myself the fear of disappointing them was tremendous and that my father also was very much like you in that he distrusted everyone.

Now I know that when it comes to negative attitudes toward other people it might seem my point of view is negative, that we all motivated by a need to remain unconscious of the fact that we hate ourselves, but I just see that as fact and not really negative at all because we only believe what we believe because we were made to believe in a lie. There is nothing really wrong with us and that most of the evil we do is out of a misplaced belief that we know what really is the good. There are, however, people who are so badly damaged by their self hate and feelings of worthlessness, they live for the revenge of proving it to be true by doing the despicable. But that isn't everybody or even most people, in my opinion.

In shout, human nature is sourced in three different parts of the brain, the primitive reptilian, the nurturing mammalian, and the social cultural human brain that can conceptualize and empathise. People differ in how much and how properly each is developed. They say we are created in God's immage. If so a reflexive negative attitude as to what a person is may be spiritually inappropriate. Does that make any sense to you?
 

JEDIYoda

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This ---

Legal scholars say Trump's dual claim that the material in Bolton's book is classified, but is also false, is a very tricky one to make.

"One interesting wrinkle for the government is that in order to claim elements of Bolton's book are classified, the government must admit the information in question is true," Susan Hennessey, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution, tweeted Wednesday. "There's no such thing as a classified lie."

So far, neither Trump nor his top White House aides have detailed exactly what they believe to be false in Bolton's book. Instead, they have attacked Bolton's motives for writing it, his patriotism and his sincerity.

 

Greenman

Lifer
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I don't think there is any doubt that you could be right, but I would say it's also possible that you are not? Neither of us can know as only Bolton himself knows if he is creating sensationalism to sell his book. For example, the simple truth might itself be so shocking he doesn't have to make anything up.

But the important thing to me, since I care more about you than I do about Bolton's real character, is to wonder how it came to pass you have such a negative view of other people's motivations. I'm wondering, for example, if your high love of the good might not be the result of fear of failing to live up to standards set by your parents. I know for myself the fear of disappointing them was tremendous and that my father also was very much like you in that he distrusted everyone.

Now I know that when it comes to negative attitudes toward other people it might seem my point of view is negative, that we all motivated by a need to remain unconscious of the fact that we hate ourselves, but I just see that as fact and not really negative at all because we only believe what we believe because we were made to believe in a lie. There is nothing really wrong with us and that most of the evil we do is out of a misplaced belief that we know what really is the good. There are, however, people who are so badly damaged by their self hate and feelings of worthlessness, they live for the revenge of proving it to be true by doing the despicable. But that isn't everybody or even most people, in my opinion.

In shout, human nature is sourced in three different parts of the brain, the primitive reptilian, the nurturing mammalian, and the social cultural human brain that can conceptualize and empathise. People differ in how much and how properly each is developed. They say we are created in God's immage. If so a reflexive negative attitude as to what a person is may be spiritually inappropriate. Does that make any sense to you?
I don't think my view of Bolton is negative at all. I think he's engaged in a business venture that he hopes to make a great deal of money from. If his motivation was simply the need to warn the nation about the evils of Trump, he'd make it public domain to get it into as many hands as possible. Instead he took a couple million dollar advance from a publisher before writing anything. It's clear his primary motivation was money, and I have no issue at all with that. I'd write a "Why Trump is a criminal" book for $200k.
The entire point of writing a book is to sell it, Bolton is doing exactly that, and Trump trying to stop it gets the publisher more advertising than they could ever possibly afford.

Is it fact or fantasy? I have no idea, I don't care, and it doesn't matter. Those that want to believe it will, and those that don't want to believe it won't.
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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All Hail Der Furhrer!!! Our Beloved Trump can do no wrong! Everyone is out to get him!
Here is a list of accomplishment from our Furhrer--TTrump has done more for Black people than any other president!
Food on their tables!
Fantastic jobs!
Great medical care!
Nice big cars!!
College for all!!
Paid vacations in a Bavarian resort with daily indoctrination classes!
Peace and Love for all Americans!!

oh, one more thing -- I der Furhrer approve of this message!!
 

zinfamous

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A Pro-Trump book would not be bought to be read, it would be bought to be seen. It would be like a MAGA hat. Not worn to be useful, but like the colorful stripes on a snake, to warn others that you are poisonous.

Such a book would also have the benefit of existing in pamphlet form, to be used as such garnish and fit right next to those pocket constitutions!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Such a book would also have the benefit of existing in pamphlet form, to be used as such garnish and fit right next to those pocket constitutions!
actually it really does not matter if it gets approved or not, major real nes organizations already have copies of the full book!!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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I'll just say for truth None of us knows. So your guess is correct. I don't know, not even enough to guess and neither do you.
Your question is impossible to answer any other way.

You do realize that your personal philosophy is that no one can no anything, so obviously us humans really haven't done anything, ever.

You get that, right? Do you even understand how fucking science works you god damn goblin?

You say this every fucking time. It's quite possible you don't understand that is what you are arguing, but it is. That is exactly what you are saying. If you were to be correct in that nonsense that you posted up there, then we basically have to empty all of the prisons in this world and a lot of actual criminals would be released because, in your pure belief "there is no no such thing as evidence or deductive reasoning."
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Bolton is a warmonger, not necessarily a pathological liar. Trump, on the other hand, is a known pathological liar. And there is a pattern here, Trump hires his best people, from conservatives like Bolton to admired Generals and chiefs of staff, and they all leave and now they report the same shit about Trump, while all of a sudden to Trump they are all second rate losers now. It's insane if you can't see what is going on.

...another thing worth pointing out, constantly, is that all of the worst criticisms of Trump and complaints of wrong-doing have specifically come from the very great people that he is hired himself, with his good brain.

You know, the people that would know, working with him and being close to him all the time. You know, not that they can really know anything, right?

But hey! This guy has a youtube video that explains everything and he is trustworthy!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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all the above discussion is meaningless!
The book has been sent to various people as advanced copies.....
Even if he can`t sell the book, its already out.....to quite a few p[eople!
 

Jhhnn

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The NSC already cleared the book for publication. I doubt that the Court will allow Trump a do-over. Well, not an honest court, anyway.
 
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UNCjigga

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Judge tells Barr and Trump to fuck off, the book is coming.


I had to laugh when I realized what a mind fuck Trump pulled off on his supporters. I guess in the end it’s just another example of Trump projecting his shortcomings on to others.

See, Trump’s rise to political fame and power was predicated on his claim that Obama was a foreign-born President. That Obama was not qualified to hold his office because he lied about his birth certificate. All of Trumpism is based on that lie. All of it.

Bolton’s book confirms that Trump is the foreign President. Someone who puts the interests of other leaders ahead of America’s interests. He is foreign-owned and operated. The UnAmerican President. Singularly more unqualified and unfit to serve than any other in history. But his followers can’t see that because they still believe Obama’s birth certificate is fake.
 

pcgeek11

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You do realize that your personal philosophy is that no one can no anything, so obviously us humans really haven't done anything, ever.

You get that, right? Do you even understand how fucking science works you god damn goblin?

You say this every fucking time. It's quite possible you don't understand that is what you are arguing, but it is. That is exactly what you are saying. If you were to be correct in that nonsense that you posted up there, then we basically have to empty all of the prisons in this world and a lot of actual criminals would be released because, in your pure belief "there is no no such thing as evidence or deductive reasoning."


So what you are saying is that YOU can tell how many of 100 random quotes pulled from a book are lies and how many are truths.

You sir are full of shit.
 

Jhhnn

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I detest Bolton because he's a Neocon desirous of world hegemony thru wars of aggression, like the invasion of Iraq. Greeted as Liberators & shit. Crimes against Humanity are just part of the program. OTOH, his observations about Trump are likely quite accurate. I doubt that Trump has lived up to the expectations of a lot of his voters, simply because he's an ignorant buffoon. Too bad they couldn't figure that out 4 years ago.
 

pauldun170

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LOL
Wasn't planning on some reading a memoir but now that it happens to be sitting in front of me....I just might start.

Wonder how that whole blocking publication thing worked out?
 
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