Trump administration sues Bolton over book dispute

[eelw]

How well did Jr’s book do? But then again, how much did the family spend to buy up lots to build up hype?

 

[Atari2600]

Bolton: - "Had Democratic impeachment advocates not been so obsessed with their Ukraine blitzkrieg in 2019, had they taken the time to inquire more systematically about Trump’s behavior across his entire foreign policy, the impeachment outcome might well have been different,"

Huh?..So Bolton is claiming that he had information that would require removing the president from power, but that he declined to provide this information to the public because Democrats wouldn't subpoena him. Is that about right?

You coward!...Bolton deserves to be consigned to the ash-heap of history.

Do public servants not have a duty to report such corrupt actions?

Is there nothing in statute here?

By not reporting the crime, is he an assistant to it?

 

[HomerJS]

Piece of shit reporting on a piece of shit.

 

[Greenman]

Do public servants not have a duty to report such corrupt actions?

Is there nothing in statute here?

By not reporting the crime, is he an assistant to it?

Nope. If something actionable was found, Bolton just has to say "I made that part up".
Tell all books are sensationalized, there is no requirement for accuracy or truth.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I mean Trump is claiming that the book is full of classified information. It can’t be classified unless it is true.

Heh, it does kind of undermine any claim that it is all just a work of fiction.

The real problem for Trump here, I think, is that it seems unlikely that Bolton would have to make up any stories. The things Trump says on camera are stupid enough that it hardly seems that there would be a lack of stupid things said in private. It would be more work to make up stories than to just tell the ones that undoubtedly happened.

Edit: I want to clarify, I'm not saying anything in the book is true. I'm saying that it has the appearance of true due to this. My comment is less about the veracity of Bolton's book as the problem Trump has with believability. Simply put, it is easy to believe the things Bolton is saying because they sound like things Trump would say. Whether they are true or not, that is a major problem.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Do public servants not have a duty to report such corrupt actions?

Is there nothing in statute here?

By not reporting the crime, is he an assistant to it?

They absolutely do, but Bolton knows he'll never be held accountable. Republicans obviously won't (even Turmp won't as a personal vendetta as he knows it'll just blow up in his face) and if Democrats get the power they'll need his testimony to go after Turmp.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Probably fair to say any pro-Trump book wouldn't be a big seller.

The Venn diagram of Trump supporters and book readers would have a very small overlap.

A Pro-Trump book would not be bought to be read, it would be bought to be seen. It would be like a MAGA hat. Not worn to be useful, but like the colorful stripes on a snake, to warn others that you are poisonous.

 

[hal2kilo]

For crissakes, it's even worse than that. Not only did Trump not know the UK had nuclear weapons, he told Theresa May and her National Security Advisor this.



What in the actual fuk is this thing doing talking to foreign leaders? Can't we just have someone else do it?

What's next? We're going to hear that when speaking with President Macron,Trump said: "Terrific country you have here. Love it. Only problem is people are talking really funny and I can't understand what they're saying. Don't you guys speak English here?"

Yea, our standing in the world was so bad under Obama.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Do public servants not have a duty to report such corrupt actions?

Is there nothing in statute here?

By not reporting the crime, is he an assistant to it?

Bolton claims he brought up his concerns with Barr and the white house counsel on multiple occasions.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Republicans are going to have to decide between the two current excuses that Bolton's book is both lies and classified. Because if it's lies, then it's not classified, and if it's classified then it isn't lies.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Republicans are going to have to decide between the two current excuses that Bolton's book is both lies and classified. Because if it's lies, then it's not classified, and if it's classified then it isn't lies.

Why, sometimes Republicans believe in as many as six contradictory ideas before breakfast!

 

[JEDIYoda]

actually Trump made the statement that everything he says is classified.......

 

[thilanliyan]

Republicans are going to have to decide between the two current excuses that Bolton's book is both lies and classified. Because if it's lies, then it's not classified, and if it's classified then it isn't lies.

I think you're forgetting a third excuse...Bolton is a deep state plant so must be silenced!
There's probably a couple more excuses in there that no sane person would think of too.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Republicans are going to have to decide between the two current excuses that Bolton's book is both lies and classified. Because if it's lies, then it's not classified, and if it's classified then it isn't lies.

 

[pcgeek11]

Republicans are going to have to decide between the two current excuses that Bolton's book is both lies and classified. Because if it's lies, then it's not classified, and if it's classified then it isn't lies.

Are you guys this dense?
You do realize that a book can contain lies and classified information at the same time right?

If a book has one classified statement in it then it is classified. The remainder of the book can be total fantasy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You do realize that a book can contain lies and classified information at the same time right?

You do realize Trump has said that everthing that comes out of his mouth is classified??
All the Republicans and pcgeek11 want to happen is for the book to never be published!!

 

[pcgeek11]

Hell publish it and let the courts and people settle it.

You do realize Trump has said that everthing that comes out of his mouth is classified??
All the Republicans and pcgeek11 want to happen is for the book to never be published!!

Trump says a lot of things... so.

You obviously didn't read my prior post in this very thread.

I quoted it above for your reading pleasure.

Are you saying that the book couldn't contain both lies and classified information?

 

[MixMasterTang]

Trump says a lot of things... so.

You obviously didn't read my prior post in this very thread.

I quoted it above for your reading pleasure.

Are you saying that the book couldn't contain both lies and classified information?

If you were to take 100 random statements from Bolton's book and Trump says all 100 are lies, how many of those statements do you think Bolton is actually lying about? And even before you answer I am going to guess that you're going to respond with an "I don't know" or "I don't feel like telling you" which is quite revealing (to me at least).

 

[pcgeek11]

If you were to take 100 random statements from Bolton's book and Trump says all 100 are lies, how many of those statements do you think Bolton is actually lying about? And even before you answer I am going to guess that you're going to respond with an "I don't know" or "I don't feel like telling you" which is quite revealing (to me at least).

I'll just say for truth None of us knows. So your guess is correct. I don't know, not even enough to guess and neither do you.
Your question is impossible to answer any other way.

 

[alien42]

I'll just say for truth None of us knows. So your guess is correct. I don't know, not even enough to guess and neither do you.
Your question is impossible to answer any other way.

we know that Trump is a pathological liar and while i disagree with Bolton politically, he isn't a known liar. not that anyone should be surprised by any of what's been leaked so far, it all fits the bill.

 

[pcgeek11]

we know that Trump is a pathological liar and while i disagree with Bolton politically, he isn't a known liar. not that anyone should be surprised by any of what's been leaked so far, it all fits the bill.

Can you pinpoint how many of MixMasterTang's mythical 100 random statements from the book are lies or not?

 

[MrSquished]

Bolton is a warmonger, not necessarily a pathological liar. Trump, on the other hand, is a known pathological liar. And there is a pattern here, Trump hires his best people, from conservatives like Bolton to admired Generals and chiefs of staff, and they all leave and now they report the same shit about Trump, while all of a sudden to Trump they are all second rate losers now. It's insane if you can't see what is going on.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Bolton must be dancing, the lawsuit probably gets him another million in sales.

That Yosemite Sam Bitch is a traitor to keep his mouth shut about all of this while impeachment was happening is simply pure greed and I highly doubt this guy needed the extra cash.
Greedy mofo.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Are you saying that the book couldn't contain both lies and classified information?

Here is an interesting question, I understand how this does not really fit Bolton's Book, but it is an interesting question nonetheless: If I should write a book, lets say a sci-fi book about aliens invading earth, and in the book I just happen to make up something that turns out to be both true and classified, can, and should, the government shut me down? Have I broken the law?

That is what I see going on here. The book already went through the approval process and changed the material that was deemed classified, but now because it is unflattering to the President he has declared some new things classified to shut the book down. Surely this is abuse of power? It all seems rather arbitrary. How can we really have freedom of speech when the President can simply declare some speech to be off limits?

 

[eelw]

That is what I see going on here. The book already went through the approval process and changed the material that was deemed classified, but now because it is unflattering to the President he has declared some new things classified to shut the book down. Surely this is abuse of power? It all seems rather arbitrary. How can we really have freedom of speech when the President can simply declare some speech to be off limits?

Well he’s allowed to tweet as asinine comments as he wants. But if the lawyers argue the same thing in court, yeah it will be laughed out of it quickly