Trump admits to knowing COVID was deadly and that he deliberately misled the country

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I appreciate the compliment, but you have to do what’s right for you! I promise not to take offense if you ignore me.

Suit yourself, you clearly have much more free time than I do. Shame that you wouldn't use it to do something actually worthwhile (if nothing but simply for yourself) but its your life. *shrug*
 

woolfe9998

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Suit yourself, you clearly have much more free time than I do. Shame that you wouldn't use it to do something actually worthwhile (if nothing but simply for yourself) but its your life. *shrug*

Why you would concern yourself over how other posters spend their time, and use some of your own allegedly precious time to point it out, is beyond me.
 

Jhhnn

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Gotta love Kennedy (R)'s response when asked by a reporter about this:




What a clown. Yet another reason the entire GOP Senate caucus needs to be fired in November.

When Trump lies they swear it's true, no matter what.
 

Starbuck1975

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Not only does it not "exonerate" Trump, it's wholly irrelevant to Trump's culpability. Trump is using the fact that some journalists are criticizing Woodward as a deflection and a distraction.
It’s a distraction for the easily distracted

Well, notice that Rage has come out and in time to inform the public prior to the election with enough time to digest the facts. The fact of the potus downplaying the virus absurdly has been well known ever since February. We didn't need Woodward to show us that. We did need him to make the ! in time for the election that the potus fully knew/knows it too.
It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)
 
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ch33zw1z

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It’s a distraction for the easily distracted

It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)

Maybe 'Muricans shouldn't vote for a dotard next time.
 

RY62

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We all know that 90% of the media will automatically dispute and go against anything President Trump has to say. So, being the genius we all know he is, Trump said it's like the flu, no reason to panic, etc.

Trump is so smart, he played the media to get the message out that the virus is actually dangerous while he moved on to travel bans, procuring medical supplies and ramping up for testing and vaccines. How can you not love this guy?
 
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Muse

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It’s a distraction for the easily distracted

It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)
Trump's too stubborn to admit being wrong... ever. He'd respin is all. He'd downplay the virus regardless even if Woodward had released the tapes. As he'll do now. Trump's not going for canny voters, he's going for gullible voters and betting there are enough of them to get him reelected if he plays his cards right.
 

SMOGZINN

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It’s a distraction for the easily distracted

It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)
If he had told me he didn't want to be robbed I might not have robbed him so it is at least partially his fault he got robbed.
Now that is a unique defense.
 

Muse

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We all know that 90% of the media will automatically dispute and go against anything President Trump has to say. So, being the genius we all know he is, Trump said it's like the flu, no reason to panic, etc.

Trump is so smart, he played the media to get the message out that the virus is actually dangerous while he moved on to travel bans, procuring medical supplies and ramping up for testing and vaccines. How can you not love this guy?
Are you some kind of clown?
 
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We all know that 90% of the media will automatically dispute and go against anything President Trump has to say. So, being the genius we all know he is, Trump said it's like the flu, no reason to panic, etc.

Trump is so smart, he played the media to get the message out that the virus is actually dangerous while he moved on to travel bans, procuring medical supplies and ramping up for testing and vaccines. How can you not love this guy?
Yeah I'm going to need a /sarcasm edit here
 
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Jhhnn

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It’s a distraction for the easily distracted

It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)

Gawd. Covid doing the Funky Broadway all over our asses didn't shift his position because it's not fact based, at all. Trump DGAF about such considerations. Gonna Liberate! the whole country from wicked Libruhl oppression!
 
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Starbuck1975

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Gawd. Covid doing the Funky Broadway all over our asses didn't shift his position because it's not fact based, at all. Trump DGAF about such considerations. Gonna Liberate! the whole country from wicked Libruhl oppression!
You don’t acknowledge that Trump has shifted on a whim because he views his presidency through the lens of “ratings”?
 

HomerJS

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We all know that 90% of the media will automatically dispute and go against anything President Trump has to say. So, being the genius we all know he is, Trump said it's like the flu, no reason to panic, etc.

Trump is so smart, he played the media to get the message out that the virus is actually dangerous while he moved on to travel bans, procuring medical supplies and ramping up for testing and vaccines. How can you not love this guy?
I'm going to assume for a moment this isn't an /s because I can't tell.

It's your premise Trump is so smart he told the public it's no worse then the flu because the media will react in the opposite. He did that knowing how deadly this virus is and spreads through the air.

One flaw with that theory, he continued to schedule rallies right after the Woodward interview indoors, packed with people and no wearing masks.
 

cytg111

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Sometimes to protect the public, the best course of action is to withhold information. This of course assumes that you are diligently working towards a solution or have a plan in place. You can’t wing a pandemic, although given Woodward’s standing as a journalist, you have to wonder Trump’s intent in disclosing such insights.
Yea. You rationalize withholding information to avoid a panic that will cost lives.
NOW. Compare yourself with other developed nations that was up front about the nature of the beast. Right in the public's face from the get-go. I see NO dead in the streets here, no chickens running headless around. Panic? Panic is a piss poor excuse in THIS instance. No its not piss poor, its straight up LYING. is what it is.
 

interchange

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It’s well established that Trump gave Woodward so much access because he’s singularly focused on the narrative around his Presidency. We’ve seen Trump shoot from the hip and also dramatically change direction under media scrutiny, especially from voices he seems to value. Had Woodward released his evidence and conclusion earlier, perhaps it would have caused Trump to shift his position. (Disclaimer: this is pure opinion and speculation)

I think it's pretty damn good opinion and speculation, personally. I don't think he would necessarily have shifted his position. It's possible. I'd say we've seen him do one of two things: 1. maintain his idealization of whomever he is valuing by shifting his own position to match theirs regardless of how discontinuous that is with his previously expressed positions -or- 2. double down on his position and try to destroy the person whose opinion he previously valued.

Those are the two ways people handle narcissistic vulnerability. The first way being potentially productive to help correct a developmental deficit. The second way being entirely self-protective to prevent the wound from getting deeper but helping reinforce the developmental deficit that still leaves someone susceptible to further narcissistic injury.

Neither of those two things are what I would want to see in a leader.
 

fskimospy

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Suit yourself, you clearly have much more free time than I do. Shame that you wouldn't use it to do something actually worthwhile (if nothing but simply for yourself) but its your life. *shrug*
It is indeed a shame. As my wife has also found out to her dismay I’m unfortunately a package deal. For every blindingly amazing insight you have to deal with me dunking on dumb or dishonest people.
 

blackangst1

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I remember a time when investigative journalism was done to keep Americans informed. How things have changed. Woodward KNEW the information in the Trump interview would save lives. He should have released it in the interest of public health, but noooo. Im sure someone in the DNC got ahold of him and told him to hold it until fall, to use against Trump in the election. I think some responsibility rests on Woodward's shoulders for not releasing this when he got it.
 

fskimospy

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I remember a time when investigative journalism was done to keep Americans informed. How things have changed. Woodward KNEW the information in the Trump interview would save lives. He should have released it in the interest of public health, but noooo. Im sure someone in the DNC got ahold of him and told him to hold it until fall, to use against Trump in the election. I think some responsibility rests on Woodward's shoulders for not releasing this when he got it.
I agree, we shouldn’t re-elect him journalist.

I find it very unlikely he’s coordinating with the Democrats, that’s tinfoil hat territory. The far more likely answer is he wanted to save it to generate publicity for his book so he could make money.

That being said, I agree he had a moral obligation to inform the country the president was lying to them in a manner that would get people killed. THAT being said, the messenger doesn’t matter here. The only thing that matters is that the president was lying to America in a way that got people killed.
 

pauldun170

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I remember a time when investigative journalism was done to keep Americans informed. How things have changed. Woodward KNEW the information in the Trump interview would save lives. He should have released it in the interest of public health, but noooo. Im sure someone in the DNC got ahold of him and told him to hold it until fall, to use against Trump in the election. I think some responsibility rests on Woodward's shoulders for not releasing this when he got it.

lol

Satire posts rock
 

VRAMdemon

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I remember a time when investigative journalism was done to keep Americans informed. How things have changed. Woodward KNEW the information in the Trump interview would save lives. He should have released it in the interest of public health, but noooo. Im sure someone in the DNC got ahold of him and told him to hold it until fall, to use against Trump in the election. I think some responsibility rests on Woodward's shoulders for not releasing this when he got it.

So Bob Woodward – a member of the media – way back, reported that Trump knew it’d be terrible. So, his followers would just stop believing Trump?

Trump says the media are liars. His followers believe him. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

In a purely rational world, filled with purely rational people, Bob Woodward could have released this tape five months ago and the response (even possibly from Trump’s supporters) would be “this is serious, I should take all precautions against catching and transmitting this virus” and many lives would have been saved.

We do not live in that world.

If Wooodward would have released it back then, it’s not hard to imagine Trump at a microphone “Bob Woodward, lamestream media, Washington insiders, deep state trying to make me look bad. The failing Washington Post is just trying to sell newspapers. I have the best, tremendous people working on this in terms of the virus.”

The true believers would swallow it hook, line, and sinker, and we’d have the same number of deaths as we do now.

Woodward releasing this now. By waiting several months, it’s even more obvious just how wrong Trump was. In the long run, it may have ended up saving lives. We’ll never know.
 

HomerJS

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I remember a time when investigative journalism was done to keep Americans informed. How things have changed. Woodward KNEW the information in the Trump interview would save lives. He should have released it in the interest of public health, but noooo. Im sure someone in the DNC got ahold of him and told him to hold it until fall, to use against Trump in the election. I think some responsibility rests on Woodward's shoulders for not releasing this when he got it.
Based on what we know what do you think would have happened if he had? Remember Lt Col. Vindman? What happened to him and he went the legitimate whistleblower route.

Don't you even try to put one ounce of blame on Bob Woodward. Could he have maybe tried to do that? Perhaps but I don't blame him one bit.

PS Just saw clips of Trump taking questions. Do yo know you parroted him almost verbatim? Don't you think that is a little creepy? Trump said if Woodward thought there was a problem he should have "called the authorities"! Really while talking to the highest law enforcement authority in the country? Does he call Bill Barr at DOJ? Ask yourself that while laughing
 
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hal2kilo

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Trump is putting on his hat and cane, and has the vaulting box out, trying to out talk the ABC reporter in the current presser on this very subject. Oh so entertaining.
 
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