Trump and Kim have now shaken hands...breaking

[OutHouse]

the level of trollism P&N has devolved to is really sad..

 

[Pipeline 1010]

So, appeasement then... lol.

That's what we've been doing for the last 5 decades. How do you feel about how it has worked out?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I read some mainstream media reports that said Kim was taking a bit of a risk by leaving North Korea at all.

Doesn't it kinda make you wonder what would happen if we just nabbed his ass? Not that I want to find out...but I still just wonder.

 

[UberNeuman]

That's what we've been doing for the last 5 decades. How do you feel about how it has worked out?

Me? I'm not the one acting like this is some great achievement.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

His legitimacy at home matters very much to him and his crew. What are you talking about

So which of the following does he gain: money, chicks (or dudes...whatever), territory, food, medicine...what did he gain?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Me? I'm not the one acting like this is some great achievement.

I hope nobody is acting like any of this is a great achievement. We don't know yet. It might end up being so. It might not. Let's not hope for the outcome that best helps our team gain the most power.

 

[UberNeuman]

I hope nobody is acting like any of this is a great achievement. We don't know yet. It might end up being so. It might not. Let's not hope for the outcome that best helps our team gain the most power.

lol, you Trumpboys are so desperate to have something to hang your little pink hats on that you don't care what you give up to do it.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm curious...what did Kim win? Money? Women? Territory? Concert tickets?



You just listed a reason why no other POTUS would make this happen, and then said Obama couldn't do this "for whatever reason". That's a little contradictory. It seems like you think it's a bad plan if one person does it but a good plan if another person does it. I have only a little hope for these meetings...but if they do work out, let's drop the partisan shit and hope for the best no matter which team implements it.



Sure would. It was a good plan under Obama, and I hope it is still a good plan even under the narcissistic orange turd.

Kim wins legitimacy as a dictator. That's the overarching problem that stops every current POTUS. There is no current world war going on, with a pressing need to make friendly, to justify making the worst kind of Devil's bargain with a monster like Stalin, over the previous 70 years, so I'm going to say that is a primary reason that has halted earlier attempts.

The point is: Kim wins from the outset. That is a neutral comment. It is nothing other than a statement of observable fact: they have everything to gain, nothing to lose, and the US pretty much has everything to lose from a bargaining point, and this is simply about influence. It's worse, because Trump has already slid us down to 3rd, 4th...eh let's say 5th place after a mere weekend in terms of world influence.
So, it's simply a statement of where the situation stands from the outset. NK has only ever been desperate to make this happen and so no matter how it is, this already puts the US in a position of weakness whenever it happens, whoever does it. Fine. Doesn't mean it's a bad decision, but we have to accept that. I think Obama accepted that, or didn't even appreciate that at first, but his people shut him down.

I don't think King Orange gets that from the beginning, and his public blustering pretty much paints that picture. It's not that it's bad to start from such a position: it's just very bad to start from a position while being blithely unaware of it, which is the observably true case with Trump.

One remains rationally skeptical that the orange toddler can accomplish anything for anyone, but there is always hope...I guess.

 

[zinfamous]

The US has always used checkbook diplomacy. There is always chatter of great strides being made, differences being worked out, mutual respect and a host of other crap. But there is always an amount specified, and a check written. I don't like it even a little bit, but that's how it will work out.

Couple of Jordan Jerseys and signed basketballs...IT "WORKED" IN THE 90s!!! :\

 

[Pipeline 1010]

lol, you Trumpboys are so desperate to have something to hang your little pink hats on that you don't care what you give up to do it.

I hate Trump. I hope this works out. If it does, I will still hate him. It will not legitimize him. Yet I still hope this works out. Do you?

 

[UberNeuman]

I hate Trump. I hope this works out. If it does, I will still hate him. It will not legitimize him. Yet I still hope this works out. Do you?

Works out? What does that mean?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Kim wins legitimacy as a dictator.

He already has that. Who has stopped him? We quietly send him money/food/other appeasement while not dealing with the problem one way or another. Talking to him doesn't give him anything he doesn't already have. It doesn't give him the power to feed top generals to dogs. He already did that. It doesn't give him the power to execute relatives with AA guns. Meeting with him doesn't make Canada go full retard and start saying things like "herp maybe Kim is right and we should now support NK". At worst, he could make a fool of Trump. Big fucking deal Trump is already legendary for making his own self look like a fool and worse.

All the rest is just vague, non-specific talk about how we look bad and lose influence. Maybe. But we voted Donald F-Tard Trump into office. What influence are you scared we have left to lose?

 

[Jaskalas]

Nukes should be dealt with as a security concern. Peace treaty, mutual disarmament of the Korean Peninsula, etc.
Money (and trade) would be bartered for the long term development of human rights.

They need to be two entirely separate topics.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think Trump may leave Singapore with at least one thing accomplished...

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Works out? What does that mean?

The fuck? A peace treaty. Removal of nukes from NK. Diplomatic, trade, and travel freedoms between a once united country. There are any number of ways it could work out and only vague "I'm scared of losing face" reasons it won't.

What would "works out" mean to you? Please tell me it's not "complete failure so my side looks good".

 

[UberNeuman]

The fuck? A peace treaty. Removal of nukes from NK. Diplomatic, trade, and travel freedoms between a once united country. There are any number of ways it could work out and only vague "I'm scared of losing face" reasons it won't.

What would "works out" mean to you? Please tell me it's not "complete failure so my side looks good".

No Unicorns? No Rainbows?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

No Unicorns? No Rainbows?

Thank you for your serious and thoughtful reply. You have changed my stance on this issue. I now hope we fail.

 

[UberNeuman]

Thank you for your serious and thoughtful reply. You have changed my stance on this issue. I now hope we fail.

Glad I could help.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Glad I could help.

Bros for life :beer:

 

[senseamp]

Trump likes leaders of countries with no extradition treaty with the US.

 

[mect]

Thank you for your serious and thoughtful reply. You have changed my stance on this issue. I now hope we fail.

I'd say it was close to the same probability as your success list. We have an incompetent, ignorant, undisciplined narcissist with essentially zero accomplishments out trying to negotiate something no one has successfully negotiated in the past. Sure, I'd be happy if he succeeded, but I don't think I can use the word hope. I have to have at least some small expectation of success to hope for something. I don't think this qualifies. I would love to be wrong.

 

[compuwiz1]

I'd say it was close to the same probability as your success list. We have an incompetent, ignorant, undisciplined narcissist with essentially zero accomplishments out trying to negotiate something no one has successfully negotiated in the past. Sure, I'd be happy if he succeeded, but I don't think I can use the word hope. I have to have at least some small expectation of success to hope for something. I don't think this qualifies. I would love to be wrong.

You must be asleep. 64% of his agenda has been accomplished at this point in his presidency. It looks like he may have struck a deal with Kim. If it works, are you going to be unhappy about that and not call it an accomplishment? They are signing paperwork right now, to get the process started.

Just saw Dennis Rodman and CNN, praising Trump while wearing a MAGA hat. He said Obama wouldn't give him the time of day about doing anything with NK.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n..._source=twCNN&utm_content=2018-06-12T01:52:08

 

[ivwshane]

I'm about to laugh my ass off about this document they are signing.

This very "comprehensive" document!


Lol I cannot wait!

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm about to laugh my ass off about this document they are signing.

This very "comprehensive" document!


Lol I cannot wait!

This does not surprise me. This thread is mostly a pack of immature, vitriolic, vindictive, ass hats. You guys don't lose well. lol

 

[mect]

You must be asleep. 64% of his agenda has been accomplished at this point in his presidency. It looks like he may have struck a deal with Kim. If it works, are you going to be unhappy about that and not call it an accomplishment? They are signing paperwork right now, to get the process started.

Just saw Dennis Rodman and CNN, praising Trump while wearing a MAGA hat. He said Obama wouldn't give him the time of day about doing anything with NK.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n..._source=twCNN&utm_content=2018-06-12T01:52:08

You're a Heritage Foundation follower as well as a Trumpster. Good god.