Trump and Pence are more popular than Democratic Party and Hillary

[bshole]

• Favorability rating:
  Pence: 47%
  Trump: 45%
  Democratic Party: 36%
  Clinton: 35%
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDjT5qKbjh0
  
  How can this be explained?

 

[Moonbeam]

Self hate which explains everything.

 

[brycejones]

Why are we even still talking about Hillary? She lost its time to move on. Between then Berniebros and simpletons trying to deflect from their glorious leader cheeto jesus we can't go a day around here without someone whining about Hillary.

 

[woolfe9998]

Neither political party is terribly popular right now.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/republican-party-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating

The GOP fares slightly worse. Even in the linked poll, the GOP only does 1 point better than the democratic party.

As for Clinton, she just lost an election. Election losers rarely have good favorables. Obama's favorables are still way higher than Trump:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-favorable-rating

 

[bshole]

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[sandorski]

Hillary doesn't matter anymore, so it's not surprising. I think a lot of Democrats are pissed off at the Democratic Party though and want a significant change of direction. Sanders showed them that a more Progressive stance is viable and one that is more inline with what they desire.

 

[EduCat]

I'm guessing most people on the left really just don't give a fuck anymore. So many better things to do with one's time. (Video games in the least)

 

[bshole]

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[Hayabusa Rider]

Hillary is now irrelevant.
More people disapprove than approve of Trump by about 6%
More people disapprove of any person or entity than approve, Democrat or Republican.
The statistics separating Republicans from Democrats is 1%
The margin of error of the poll is +/- 3%

 

[Jaskalas]

I know that I am pissed off. My number one desire is a candidate that is not owned by corporate interests.

Exactly this. The rising populism is trashing the party establishments.
We already know how one side's story ends. It's time to write ourselves a better ending.

 

[mrjminer]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is what you're saying is that politicians in general take actions that don't align with the financial capabilities or wishes of their constituents? Say it ain't so!

 

[Lash444]

If I had to guess, it is because Democrats aren't nearly the blind partisans as what the Republicans are.

Hillary and the Democrat party, while infinitely better than the Republicans and especially Trump aren't listening to the wants and needs of their constituents, and their approval ratings may reflect that. Meanwhile, Trump isn't keeping his promises on anything that he ran his campaign on, and one look at the "Trump refuses to provide proof salary donated as promised" thread shows you that as long as the person lying and doing what he wants is a Republican in name, they don't give a shit.

If the majority of Republicans were educated about what their party was doing, they wouldn't be voting against their own best interests. Instead, the Faux News and Breitbart has them convinced that Clinton is the devil. If you as a voter cared only about a Republican being in office, it isn't hard to see why Trump and Republicans (even though they don't listen to their constituents either.) have higher ratings.

 

[woolfe9998]

I am more interested in Trump/Pence's favorability ratings. The only thing I can think of is that half the people actually support the Muslim ban/Mexican wall/EPA gutting and that Trump's moves in that regard has resonated with them. Either that or they think that the Russian obsession is overblown and is just a partisan witchhunt. I am really interested to know because frankly I am surprised. I do not understand how this can be.

Trump has approvals in the mid 40's. This poll is no exception. It's a very low favorable rating for where he is in his presidency. Typically this is the honeymoon period. Note that his approvals are similar to the percentage of people who voted for him. As as practical matter, approvals won't dip below voting numbers for awhile. I suspect it's because people who voted for him, even those who in the long run could change their minds, aren't yet ready to admit that they made the wrong call. Not this soon.

 

[Blackjack200]

Hillary doesn't matter anymore, so it's not surprising. I think a lot of Democrats are pissed off at the Democratic Party though and want a significant change of direction. Sanders showed them that a more Progressive stance is viable and one that is more inline with what they desire.

Hillary does matter because there are a lot of people that still believe she would have won without Russian interference or Comey or whatever.

By fixating on that, they're missing the growing movement on the left that rejects the Democratic Party's legacy leadership. The election of Perez to DNC chair is the perfect example of the party's refusal to respond to the demands of its constituents.

Edit: Just realized you basically said the same thing I did.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know that I am pissed off. My number one desire is a candidate that is not owned by corporate interests.

The result of that ownership is that democracy is dead. You and what you think, what you want, are not important. Your fate is to be infinitely frustrated. If you infinitely frustrate an animal it will bite itself to relieve the stress. Give it a big brain and it will do something more destructively creative. Sanders focused on where the problem lies, I believe, and lost. Money buys the democratic mind set as it does the Republicans. We live in a society in which the belief that money can buy happiness is almost universal and there's almost nobody who can't be corrupted by it.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Why are we even still talking about Hillary? She lost its time to move on. Between then Berniebros and simpletons trying to deflect from their glorious leader cheeto jesus we can't go a day around here without someone whining about Hillary.

Get it through your thick skull: I don't give a flying f*** whether Hillary lost or Bernie lost.

I only care that my so-called fellow Americans elected that Traitor, piece of disgusting filth, his two-star plagiarist whore wife and their entourage to the White House. That would be your "So-called President," because -- to the rest of us -- he is a foul slug to be scraped from our shoes.

Great again? Lower than crocodile piss in a sinkhole!

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The result of that ownership is that democracy is dead. You and what you think, what you want, are not important. Your fate is to be infinitely frustrated. If you infinitely frustrate an animal it will bite itself to relieve the stress. Give it a big brain and it will do something more destructively creative. Sanders focused on where the problem lies, I believe, and lost. Money buys the democratic mind set as it does the Republicans. We live in a society in which the belief that money can buy happiness is almost universal and there's almost nobody who can't be corrupted by it.

Most of the ignorant so-called Americans I hear of (or from) lately are the first to say:

"He's a bidnis-man! He'll fix it!"

Warren Buffet is a businessman. If he had gone into one of Trump's casinos, he would've practiced card-counting in BlackJack for months in preparation. Card counting is an exercise in the field of statistics and probability, requiring a very good memory of the practitioner.

One could infer that Trump went into the casino business not for being a "bidnis-man," but because he's a gambler. Both he and his sycophants have observed innumerous times tongue-in-cheek that the So-Called President doesn't pay attention to statistics, yet any business-school graduate who can think or write more than 140-word tweets will tell you that statistics are a backbone of solid business. And Trump has a terrible memory, or he otherwise believes we're all stupid in thinking that we won't notice his inconsistencies from one day to the next.

Trump gambled and lost about $700 million in one year, and Buffet can only shake his head about it.

In any other casino, they'd put a hammer on Buffet's fingers before throwing him out the door.

They would comp Trump and give him the best suite.

"In God we Trust." It isn't the words themselves that are somehow misleading: it is their confusion with the medium of that message. They all worship God as a Jade statute. Ask any Evangelical who tells you they support Trump -- and they will lie to your face.

 

[Grooveriding]

I think America missed an opportunity to catch up to the more sane political landscape of the rest of the developed world by not having Sanders as the Democratic nominee. A corner could be turned when a President can be elected who doesn't have to talk crazy about using the military and can discuss bringing in programs like single payer healthcare. This should be regardless of political bent as these are positions of the dominant right, and left, parties in many first world nations.

Instead you wound up with Trump and are heading back into the dark ages.

 

[HomerJS]

Favorability of Republicans in Congress - 26%

Favorability of Putin by Republicans - 32%

 

[dank69]

Favorability rating:
Pence: 47%
Trump: 45%
Democratic Party: 36%
Clinton: 35%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDjT5qKbjh0

How can this be explained?

You just need to understand that Americans are retarded.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think America missed an opportunity to catch up to the more sane political landscape of the rest of the developed world by not having Sanders as the Democratic nominee. A corner could be turned when a President can be elected who doesn't have to talk crazy about using the military and can discuss bringing in programs like single payer healthcare. This should be regardless of political bent as these are positions of the dominant right, and left, parties in many first world nations.

Instead you wound up with Trump and are heading back into the dark ages.

Makes sense, really.

Could a false assumption that politics is like a smorgasbord contribute to the mass-behavior? Personally, I embrace binary decisions that seem "dirty." But I do so because I have high standards, and I understand our nation's history well enough.

 

[Sonikku]

Maybe if Liberals lined up in lockstep to vote for whatever flag bearer is blue the same way Conservatives line up in lockstep to vote for whatever flag bearer is red the political landscape in Washington would be pretty different.

 

[brycejones]

Get it through your thick skull: I don't give a flying f*** whether Hillary lost or Bernie lost.

I only care that my so-called fellow Americans elected that Traitor, piece of disgusting filth, his two-star plagiarist whore wife and their entourage to the White House. That would be your "So-called President," because -- to the rest of us -- he is a foul slug to be scraped from our shoes.

Great again? Lower than crocodile piss in a sinkhole!

okay

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Maybe if Liberals lined up in lockstep to vote for whatever flag bearer is blue the same way Conservatives line up in lockstep to vote for whatever flag bearer is red the political landscape in Washington would be pretty different.

Now I see you're also a member of Amused. Somehow I thought you were Canadian. And I can't keep wondering if that photo is really "you." It certainly suits your official position in Amused. Willie gets restless, even at 70.

Interesting thought, but it subtly suggests in a choice of words that Liberals are Lemmings, just for the use of the word "lockstep." People need to accommodate themselves to the idea that collective action is smart. But in a narcissist culture of WWWF NFL fans, some may only see that non-conformist action is smart, because they are smart and they are individuals. In this, they are likely wrong in the former and slightly delusional for the latter self-concept.

Also, last time I checked (it's been a while), there were around 100 million people in the US who are eligible and/or registered but who don't vote.

That leaves the Right who believe they are right about everything, and wrong about nothing. They make politics a religion with ideology a litmus test and declaration of faith.

Ha. People guided by canned belief systems should all go to Hell.