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Why is it so hard for both sides of the fence to say the stock market has done well under Obama and to date under Trump?
There are verifiable numbers, one can argue how much this current market is due to Trump but by this point at least some of it is. Within the next few months nearly all of it will be.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Why is it so hard for both sides of the fence to say the stock market has done well under Obama and to date under Trump?
There are verifiable numbers, one can argue how much this current market is due to Trump but by this point at least some of it is within the next few months nearly all of it will be.
The market is just as much about speculation and projection as it is about real world numbers. Speculation now, is that Cons have control, so let's fuck the little guy again and get another bailout after our poor business practices cause problems.

Meanwhile, like in the last crisis, all us plebes lose out.

I work with quite a few 60+ guys who would've retired 5 or 6 years ago if their 401k wasn't wrecked after the last screwing of plebes.
 
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The market is just as much about speculation and projection as it is about real world numbers. Speculation now, is that Cons have control, so let's fuck the little guy again and get another bailout after our poor business practices cause problems.

Meanwhile, like in the last crisis, all us plebes lose out.

I work with quite a few 60+ guys who would've retired 5 or 6 years ago if their 401k wasn't wrecked after the last screwing of plebes.

I know but it's more about just give a man credit. You don't have to agree with everything he does but when it's an obvious number just say it. The stock market performed well under Obama and so far it's performed well under Trump.
It's not that tough of a thing to say
 
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ch33zw1z

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I dont disagree at all. The first six months of a Con leadership, IMO, is judging a book by its cover though. So as much disdain as I have for the current admin, if life for the average US citizen improves, I'll give them credit. It's not time yet though.

Hindsight is 20/20, Obama was handed a pile of garbage, and turned it into a garden. It's tough for partisan committed people to admit. Hell, I didn't even agree with the bailout. We've had a bailout decade after decade for far too long. It's time to let the assholes making the poor choices fall.

Just like we can look at '00-'08 and say "WTF"

Edit - For the record, I didn't vote for Obama in either election.
 
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fskimospy

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I would attribute much of it to " market timing". IIRC when Obama took office. the market had already corrected. I happen to believe the market overreacted, as is often the case. There was a general fear of a depression which was dealt with by a large stimulus package,bailout ,whatever term you call it. This calmed fear and the markets liked this. After the midterms R's took back enough of congress and not a lot happened. Interest rates were/still are very low. and in order to get to get returns. money started flowing into the markets, thus ,for the most part the markets slowly rose. Now when Trump took office the market was already at a fair/to pretty hi level and has gone even higher. If Trumps ""tax plan" doesn't pass expect the market to overeact in the other direction. If it does pass.. and he could strike some type of deal to get some corporate $$ currently held out of the USA back. I feel the market will go even higher. assuming there isn't some unexpected catastrophic event (i.e. war with N Korea)

I think you're wildly overestimating the effects of federal fiscal policy on the stock market. I agree that more money is in stocks due to low interest rates but I don't think Obama did much to goose the stock market other than just run the country well. Trump might get a small boost from cutting taxes on capital gains, but overall it's foolish to attribute stock gains to him.

As for attributing job numbers to his performance that goes from foolish to insane I think. I'm unaware of any empirical evidence that shows presidential job performance being associated with job conditions four months into office.
 

feralkid

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I dont disagree at all. The first six months of a Con leadership, IMO, is judging a book by its cover though. So as much disdain as I have for the current admin, if life for the average US citizen improves, I'll give them credit. It's not time yet though.

Hindsight is 20/20, Obama was handed a pile of garbage, and turned it into a garden. It's tough for partisan committed people to admit. Hell, I didn't even agree with the bailout. We've had a bailout decade after decade for far too long. It's time to let the assholes making the poor choices fall.

Just like we can look at '00-'08 and say "WTF"

Edit - For the record, I didn't vote for Obama in either election.


That's ok, you can vote for Michelle in the next one.


.
 

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Ouch. How low can it go before GOP really starts to worry about midterms?
 

Pens1566

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Ouch. How low can it go before GOP really starts to worry about midterms?

I think we're going to find out this week. Comey testimony on Thursday, and I've heard Wednesday testimony from DIRNSA Rogers might be newsworthy as well. Based on how the Orange-breasted Treason weasel started out the week with his nonsensical tweetstorm on the Muslim ban that really isn't a ban, and the coming testimony, I feel very confident this will be his worst week in office.
 

Bitek

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Ouch. How low can it go before GOP really starts to worry about midterms?

IDK. He yo-yos quite a bit. He was actually -24 in Mar (-22 as of 6/5) but then back to -7 in mid April.

They just need to: body slam some reporters, scream fake news, promise more tax cuts for billionaires and the 'tard base will eat it up.
 

Commodus

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I think we're going to find out this week. Comey testimony on Thursday, and I've heard Wednesday testimony from DIRNSA Rogers might be newsworthy as well. Based on how the Orange-breasted Treason weasel started out the week with his nonsensical tweetstorm on the Muslim ban that really isn't a ban, and the coming testimony, I feel very confident this will be his worst week in office.

Worst week so far, that is... hopefully it only gets worse after this.
 

K1052

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I think we're going to find out this week. Comey testimony on Thursday, and I've heard Wednesday testimony from DIRNSA Rogers might be newsworthy as well. Based on how the Orange-breasted Treason weasel started out the week with his nonsensical tweetstorm on the Muslim ban that really isn't a ban, and the coming testimony, I feel very confident this will be his worst week in office.

He's moved on to bashing the Dems for not confirming people he hasn't bothered to nominate and again insulting the mayor of London.

Oh apparently it's come out that he personally took out the commitment to honor Article V of the NATO Treaty from his speech at the last minute after all his nat sec people worked to make sure it was in there.

Well. Oiled. Machine.
 

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He's moved on to bashing the Dems for not confirming people he hasn't bothered to nominate and again insulting the mayor of London.

Oh apparently it's come out that he personally took out the commitment to honor Article V of the NATO Treaty from his speech at the last minute after all his nat sec people worked to make sure it was in there.

Well. Russian Oiled. Machine.

FTFY...
 
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He's moved on to bashing the Dems for not confirming people he hasn't bothered to nominate and again insulting the mayor of London.

Oh apparently it's come out that he personally took out the commitment to honor Article V of the NATO Treaty from his speech at the last minute after all his nat sec people worked to make sure it was in there.

Well. Oiled. Machine.
Yeah him bashing the London Mayor is absolutely disgusting. His comments were very clear from the beginning that he was telling people not to be alarmed with an increased police presence, as in, there's no immediate threat where they are.

Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!

The London mayor's original comments, in context.

“Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. No reason to be alarmed — one of the things the police and all of us need to do is make sure we’re as safe as we possibly can be.”

This just absolutely ignores reality to be his usual pig of a sub human being.
 
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He's moved on to bashing the Dems for not confirming people he hasn't bothered to nominate and again insulting the mayor of London.

Oh apparently it's come out that he personally took out the commitment to honor Article V of the NATO Treaty from his speech at the last minute after all his nat sec people worked to make sure it was in there.

Well. Oiled. Machine.

Tired of winning already?
 

Pens1566

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All that terrorism out there, all those appointees that need nominated, and he's live tweeting fox and friends. And his advisers are out there saying you have to ignore his tweets. Can't make this shit up folks.
 

fskimospy

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Why is it so hard for both sides of the fence to say the stock market has done well under Obama and to date under Trump?
There are verifiable numbers, one can argue how much this current market is due to Trump but by this point at least some of it is. Within the next few months nearly all of it will be.

Or, more accurately, stock market performance isn't strongly affected by president regardless of who is in office. Why is it so hard for people to accept what the evidence clearly shows?
 

cytg111

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I think maybe this is Bannon tweeting... it could also explain the covfefe moment + i bet the WH has en excellent wine cellar
 

dainthomas

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Or, more accurately, stock market performance isn't strongly affected by president regardless of who is in office. Why is it so hard for people to accept what the evidence clearly shows?

Because they want to make their team look better.
 
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Or, more accurately, stock market performance isn't strongly affected by president regardless of who is in office. Why is it so hard for people to accept what the evidence clearly shows?

Agreed in a lot of ways.

I do have to issue you a challenge say the Stock Market has performed well under Trump so far or at the moment. Don't just agree type the statement.
 

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I think maybe this is Bannon tweeting... it could also explain the covfefe moment + i bet the WH has en excellent wine cellar

Wine cellar? Nah Bannon strikes me more like the true alcoholic and hits up the good old jug wine.

 
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