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K1052

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The economy is about the only thing propping him up at this point. Fortunately for him we never have downturns, bigly.
 

Stokely

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My thought is #2. The failure of Obamacare repeal means that the people who hated you for trying to repeal it still hate you and the people who wanted you to repeal it now don't like you because you're ineffective.

The paradox there is that people when polled didn't seem to be in favor of repeal, so that would make you think they'd be happy that the bill(s) failed. I guess a lot of that was the abject mess of a bill(s) that the GOP cobbled together (after seven years of apparently doing no actual planning for the possibility that they'd have to build something). That's not on Trump, really...but he did on the campaign trail, trumpet about health care: "it'll be great, and cheap!" If you believe that, without seeing the details...well, you're either choosing ignorance to feel better, or you are an idiot. Not the smartest thing Trump has ever done, to promise something to people that he has little control over--but he tends to do that, and people tend to believe him. "I'll bring your jobs back that were lost to regulation and illegals, by removing regulations and building a wall!" (and he and others are very careful to avoid mentioning automation, which causes more job loss than either of those...). Eh. The approvals will go down for no logical reason, and they'll swing back up for equally illogical reasons (like maybe Ivanka wore a particularly stunning dress one day...)
 

dullard

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The paradox there is that people when polled didn't seem to be in favor of repeal, so that would make you think they'd be happy that the bill(s) failed.
I was recently at a town hall for my congressman. Note: this is just one local town hall for just one congressman. So take this anecdotal story with a grain of salt. His town halls used to be at most ~50 people attending. This one was standing room only in a large room (I guess over a thousand people). Just about every single person who spoke and just about every person who clapped was unhappy with the repeal bill. Democrats were unhappy that they tried to repeal it rather than make it better or replace it with single payer. Republicans were unhappy that the repeal that was promised for years turned out to be just a political stunt.

So, no people aren't happy that the bill failed. The bill itself was a bad political move with no possibility of making people happy. It was a lose-lose situation. Lose democrats for trying it and lose republicans for not succeeding.

It was like proposing a vote in your family to (a) jump off a cliff or (b) take a poison pill. That type of vote just should never come up as it can't turn out well.
 

trenchfoot

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I was recently at a town hall for my congressman. Note: this is just one local town hall for just one congressman. So take this anecdotal story with a grain of salt. His town halls used to be at most ~50 people attending. This one was standing room only in a large room (I guess over a thousand people). Just about every single person who spoke and just about every person who clapped was unhappy with the repeal bill. Democrats were unhappy that they tried to repeal it rather than make it better or replace it with single payer. Republicans were unhappy that the repeal that was promised for years turned out to be just a political stunt.

So, no people aren't happy that the bill failed. The bill itself was a bad political move with no possibility of making people happy. It was a lose-lose situation. Lose democrats for trying it and lose republicans for not succeeding.

It was like proposing a vote in your family to (a) jump off a cliff or (b) take a poison pill. That type of vote just should never come up as it can't turn out well.

Sounds about right. But then the Repubs won elections partly based on their adamant and incessant howling over repeal and then repeal/replace. The funny thing is now that they got their wish to have the ability to do exactly what they threatened for seven long years, all they've managed to accomplish is to have a publicly staged internal fight throwing mud pies at each other making them all look like the lying, empty threat calling, shortsighted imbecilic ideologues that they really are.
 

alien42

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you2

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The question you have to ask is what does it suggest if 35% of the folks are happy with his performance ? Does it mean they are uninformed; or they actually agree with this agenda. If they agree what specifically do they agree with and why ? Do they feel that affirmative action has gone too far ? Do they feel that health care is bad for america (or taxes on the rich to fund it) ? Do they feel that immigration destroys the country ? That a good education system is destroying 'their' values ? There are too many regulations to protect the environment and corporate America would do the 'right' thing if given a chance without regulation ? Perhaps they like being told that their out-dated un-healty coal mining jobs are the way of the future and jobs will be available for their children and their grand-children in the mines.
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Obviously they don't agree (if they are actually informed) with each topic on Trump agenda but it would be interesting to do a deep dive on what specifically he is doing that makes him popular. Or maybe it is none of the above and I'm being way too analytical. Maybe the dog and pony show makes them feel good and they could care less about his actual agenda. Some good old fashion shove it in your face approach appeals to them.
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Obviously my view of his agenda is warped but I've never seen so much hate being pushed from the top. It seems to just radiate in waves or maybe that is just 'fake news'.
 

Stokely

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There's some people that would oppose the Democrats no matter what, so they will "support" the President to avoid being on the other side. There is a poll phenomenon (don't know if it has a name) where people will not really answer the question at hand, they extend the question to "what does it mean" and answer it that way. Doesn't matter who is on the D side or who on the R side.

That said, I know a number of relatives and others that get 100% of their news from Fox, their Church, Facebook wall posts ("Like if you think God should grant our President a second term!!!") and email chains. Let's just say their political reality and mine don't resemble each other at the factual level. They think I'm just as misguided as I think they are LOL! My relatives are Evangelicals and they adore Trump, makes sense..... If ever stuck in a political discussion, their fallback is stuff like this: "well, end times are coming anyway, destroying the environment doesn't matter."
 

HomerJS

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The question you have to ask is what does it suggest if 35% of the folks are happy with his performance ? Does it mean they are uninformed; or they actually agree with this agenda. If they agree what specifically do they agree with and why ? Do they feel that affirmative action has gone too far ? Do they feel that health care is bad for america (or taxes on the rich to fund it) ? Do they feel that immigration destroys the country ? That a good education system is destroying 'their' values ? There are too many regulations to protect the environment and corporate America would do the 'right' thing if given a chance without regulation ? Perhaps they like being told that their out-dated un-healty coal mining jobs are the way of the future and jobs will be available for their children and their grand-children in the mines.
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Obviously they don't agree (if they are actually informed) with each topic on Trump agenda but it would be interesting to do a deep dive on what specifically he is doing that makes him popular. Or maybe it is none of the above and I'm being way too analytical. Maybe the dog and pony show makes them feel good and they could care less about his actual agenda. Some good old fashion shove it in your face approach appeals to them.
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Obviously my view of his agenda is warped but I've never seen so much hate being pushed from the top. It seems to just radiate in waves or maybe that is just 'fake news'.
I suspect if you ask these people each question in a vacuum then ask the same questions as a group in the context of Trump answers would change. Its like The ACA. They love each piece. Change it to Obamacare then they hate it.

Answer is a combination of misinformed and brainwashing.
 
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theeedude

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Friendly reminder that there has been no crisis yet to test this administration, and he's already tanking from just self inflicted wounds.
 

Commodus

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Friendly reminder that there has been no crisis yet to test this administration, and he's already tanking from just self inflicted wounds.

I'm almost cringing at the thought of how the Trump administration will mishandle a natural disaster, diplomatic crisis or (hopefully not) terrorist attack. This is an egocentric man who has never known a real crisis in his life; I can't imagine him dealing with an actual life-and-death issue using the selflessness and seriousness a President needs.
 

you2

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Remember New Orleans during Bush administration. Billions wasted; junk yards full of trailers FEMA purchased for the disaster and never used. Trump administration makes Bush administration look good.
 
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trenchfoot

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What does it really say about a president that requires a gaggle of hired censors to keep him in check from impulsively telling/tweeting blatantly obvious lies to the nation so recklessly and so self destructively?

What does it really say about a president that obviously weaponized his ability to incessantly lie with a straight face in order to attract a following and then weaponized that following into a rabid base of devout believers whose only commonality is their gullibility and willful disregard for the truth that would otherwise resolutely and incontrovertibly refute those very lies that binds this following together?

That it's going to take a monumental and very expensive effort to prove and prosecute those blatantly obvious lies of his and his cabal of like minded opportunists and turn those lies of his as well as his own hired group of yes men against this fake president of ours is history making in the sense of how absurd and macabre this whole disgraceful episode is.

All Trump has left to defend himself with is more and more progressively fantastic lies to meet the progressively growing pile of evidence against him and the support of his thoroughly indoctrinated (infected) base support group that he wields like a sledge hammer over his fellow Repubs in the House and Senate.

So his support group has been winnowing down bit by little bit as Trump and the lies of his grows more and more frantic, more and more surreal, more and more obviously unavoidable to those ex-supporters of his who have the self and situational awareness to recognize this unfolding debacle for what it is.

Where's the tipping point? It seems to me it's going to be right at the moment where Trump's rats in the House and Senate finally decide that thee's one too many holes in Trump's ship of state and abandon his ship wholesale or go down with him in the next election cycle.
 

alien42

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i really thought the moving avg would slowly rise while Trump is on his "working vacation", and it still may, but for now he just hit a new personal best, all time record low 36.6%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

meanwhile, Trump tweets this bullshit...

"The Trump base is far bigger & stronger than ever before (despite some phony Fake News polling). Look at rallies in Penn, Iowa, Ohio and West Virginia."
 
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K1052

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That base which Trump thinks is rock solid...not so much

The one thing President Trump has had, through thick and thin, is his base. And amid signs that it was beginning to waver, Trump assured us Monday that it was “stronger than ever.”

Then came more polls that drive home how untrue that is.

A CNN poll and an Investor's Business Daily poll, both released late Monday, show somewhat different pictures of Trump's overall approval. The CNN poll pegs it at 38 percent — around where it has been in other polling for a while — while the IBD poll shows it at a painfully low 32 percent. That's the lowest of any high-quality poll in Trump's entire presidency.

But both polls actually reinforce the idea that Trump's support among the base is in decline.

The IBD poll shows Trump's decline even more acutely, with 71 percent of Republicans approving of him. That's down from 83 percent just a month ago.

The CNN poll shows it in a more nuanced way. While 83 percent of Republicans in that poll still approve of Trump, the number who strongly approve of him has declined from 73 percent in February to 59 percent today.

These polls come on the heels of a Quinnipiac University poll last week that also showed Trump's strong approval among Republicans dropping off. In that poll, just 53 percent of Republicans strongly approved of the president — down from a previous low of 62 percent.

Another common thread running through these polls is Trump's decline among the working-class voters who were so key to his win in the 2016 election. The Q poll last week showed them disapproving of Trump more than they approved of him for the first time. The IBD poll shows Trump's biggest decline coming among those making between $30,000 and $50,000 per year; 40 percent of this group approved of Trump last month, but it's down to 27 percent today. Another of the biggest declines was among high school-educated voters, among whom Trump's approval dropped by 11 points. The CNN poll shows Trump's strong approval among those without college degrees declining from 47 percent in February to 35 percent today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-officially-crumbling/?utm_term=.704bbfa3119b
 

zinfamous

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The question you have to ask is what does it suggest if 35% of the folks are happy with his performance ? Does it mean they are uninformed; or they actually agree with this agenda. If they agree what specifically do they agree with and why ? Do they feel that affirmative action has gone too far ? Do they feel that health care is bad for america (or taxes on the rich to fund it) ? Do they feel that immigration destroys the country ? That a good education system is destroying 'their' values ? There are too many regulations to protect the environment and corporate America would do the 'right' thing if given a chance without regulation ? Perhaps they like being told that their out-dated un-healty coal mining jobs are the way of the future and jobs will be available for their children and their grand-children in the mines.
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Obviously they don't agree (if they are actually informed) with each topic on Trump agenda but it would be interesting to do a deep dive on what specifically he is doing that makes him popular. Or maybe it is none of the above and I'm being way too analytical. Maybe the dog and pony show makes them feel good and they could care less about his actual agenda. Some good old fashion shove it in your face approach appeals to them.
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to the bolded: That one thing that unifies the ~35% diseased, so-called Americans that still support this waste of atoms is not being black.
 
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hal2kilo

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Remember New Orleans during Bush administration. Billions wasted; junk yards full of trailers FEMA purchased for the disaster and never used. Trump administration makes Bush administration look good.
Based on what? Your imagination?
 
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