Trump being racist again. Immigrants "infest" the country

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DBissett

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Just stumbled on to this racism wagon train. This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in. Anybody see what San Francisco is turning into? Or the growing problems in NY, LA, pretty much any popular "sanctuary" for everyone from anywhere? And taken to the next extreme, i.e. let's just give away free care of all kinds, and education, and jobs with the government, to whoever wants it, because they just deserve it. OK, then, let's look at pretty much every socialist/communist country in the world to see how that's worked on. Or would that data and history be too real to consider? Probably. Racism isn't the real issue.
 

mikeymikec

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This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in.

Let's just stop your straw man argument right there, unless of course you'd like to cite where anyone here or any prominent politician has said that immigration should be completely open and uncontrolled?
 
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Yea, Trump isn't racist. He just doesn't give two shits about anyone who he doesn't want to bang or can benefit him directly.
Please, Trump has a long history of being a racist. He may be a narcissist who only cares about himself, but he is also a racist.
 

brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Just stumbled on to this racism wagon train. This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in. Anybody see what San Francisco is turning into? Or the growing problems in NY, LA, pretty much any popular "sanctuary" for everyone from anywhere? And taken to the next extreme, i.e. let's just give away free care of all kinds, and education, and jobs with the government, to whoever wants it, because they just deserve it. OK, then, let's look at pretty much every socialist/communist country in the world to see how that's worked on. Or would that data and history be too real to consider? Probably. Racism isn't the real issue.

Unoriginal shit post for P&N. Fact free and beats the shit out of a whole squad of strawmen.

2/10.
 

glenn1

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Sep 6, 2000
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I notice you didn't condemn it just that pointed out who it benefits, FYGM yet again.

Since you evidently haven't seen me condemning "those who benefit" for a dozen years plus in this forum, here's a recent example to allay your concerns.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...-babies-in-cages.2547931/page-7#post-39462265

So how much below minimum wage do you pay your day laborers? Personally I think we should leave the immigrants alone and change the laws so that employers caught using illegal immigrant workers are put in jail so long that they fart dust when they are finally released. Collapsing the demand side of the equation is the far easier and more moral way of handling this and then supply will handle itself.
 

Ventanni

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Alright, alright. Let's calm down, gents. We have to look at this from a realistic perspective, because there are two sides of the coin at play here:
  • Open immigration policies are great if you have a national policy that provides education, training, and language lessons. And if you have that level of infrastructure in place, then great! Bring 'em in. Let 'em come. Because let me tell you, there are tens of thousands of businesses across the United States that are experiencing a serious skilled labor shortage.
  • Closed immigration policies only work if your current population is actively "replacing" themselves, which many Americans are not. If you look at Japan which has a much more closed immigration policy, they are suffering from an aged work force, because none of them are having babies. Big problem when large amounts of your country's wealth are locked away in savings and aren't moving (money has to flow).
And so, that puts America in a bit of a pickle, and is what is crippling some European countries as well. We have large numbers of immigrants flowing into the United States, and we really don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate them, retrain them, teach them language skills, and teach them a trade that is valuable and useful so that they can successfully assimilate with the rest of the population. At least, not for the volume we're experiencing.
 

fskimospy

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Just stumbled on to this racism wagon train. This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in.

Bullshit.

Anybody see what San Francisco is turning into? Or the growing problems in NY, LA, pretty much any popular "sanctuary" for everyone from anywhere? And taken to the next extreme, i.e. let's just give away free care of all kinds, and education, and jobs with the government, to whoever wants it, because they just deserve it. OK, then, let's look at pretty much every socialist/communist country in the world to see how that's worked on. Or would that data and history be too real to consider? Probably.

I live in NYC. By all means tell me about the growing problems in one of the most prosperous cities on the planet, one that is defined by its embrace of immigration.

Where do you live, by the way?

Racism isn't the real issue.

Racism is the real issue.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Alright, alright. Let's calm down, gents. We have to look at this from a realistic perspective, because there are two sides of the coin at play here:
  • Open immigration policies are great if you have a national policy that provides education, training, and language lessons. And if you have that level of infrastructure in place, then great! Bring 'em in. Let 'em come. Because let me tell you, there are tens of thousands of businesses across the United States that are experiencing a serious skilled labor shortage.
  • Closed immigration policies only work if your current population is actively "replacing" themselves, which many Americans are not. If you look at Japan which has a much more closed immigration policy, they are suffering from an aged work force, because none of them are having babies. Big problem when large amounts of your country's wealth are locked away in savings and aren't moving (money has to flow).
And so, that puts America in a bit of a pickle, and is what is crippling some European countries as well. We have large numbers of immigrants flowing into the United States, and we really don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate them, retrain them, teach them language skills, and teach them a trade that is valuable and useful so that they can successfully assimilate with the rest of the population. At least, not for the volume we're experiencing.

Immigration generally leads to increased income for native born Americans. Also, I’m unaware of any data that shows assimilation of immigrants is happening any slower today than in the past and I imagine we all agree that immigration in the past was a positive thing. What’s your basis for saying otherwise?

It seems like you’re just repeating some of the nativist arguments from the past only absent the racist parts.
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Of course it's racist. Only 4% of the illegals in the US come from Canada or Europe.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US

lol
Living in New York and working in NYC I've known a lot of illegals over the years.
Majority of them have been Greek and Irish.
I know a couple that right now looking for "marriages of convenience" in case any of you barren white women need the seed while your citizen-white-man-murican is busy smoking meth or taking opiods.
 

mikeymikec

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May 19, 2011
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Alright, alright. Let's calm down, gents. We have to look at this from a realistic perspective, because there are two sides of the coin at play here:
  • Open immigration policies are great if you have a national policy that provides education, training, and language lessons. And if you have that level of infrastructure in place, then great! Bring 'em in. Let 'em come. Because let me tell you, there are tens of thousands of businesses across the United States that are experiencing a serious skilled labor shortage.
  • Closed immigration policies only work if your current population is actively "replacing" themselves, which many Americans are not. If you look at Japan which has a much more closed immigration policy, they are suffering from an aged work force, because none of them are having babies. Big problem when large amounts of your country's wealth are locked away in savings and aren't moving (money has to flow).
And so, that puts America in a bit of a pickle, and is what is crippling some European countries as well. We have large numbers of immigrants flowing into the United States, and we really don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate them, retrain them, teach them language skills, and teach them a trade that is valuable and useful so that they can successfully assimilate with the rest of the population. At least, not for the volume we're experiencing.

1) A sensible perspective would actually pay attention to what the topic is. It's not immigration, it's Trump being racist as usual, this time by referring in illegal immigrants in non-human terms.

2) I'm not sure I've heard of an "open" or "closed" immigration policy before. IMO you're throwing around terms that aren't even vaguely pertaining to realistic / currently implemented / currently proposed immigration policies. The closest thing I know of to an "open immigration policy" is what EU citizens experience, being any citizen of the EU can move to another EU state / country freely. Otherwise, most countries I'm aware of, the EU included run pretty strict immigration policies.
 

mikeymikec

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cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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Just stumbled on to this racism wagon train. This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in. Anybody see what San Francisco is turning into? Or the growing problems in NY, LA, pretty much any popular "sanctuary" for everyone from anywhere? And taken to the next extreme, i.e. let's just give away free care of all kinds, and education, and jobs with the government, to whoever wants it, because they just deserve it. OK, then, let's look at pretty much every socialist/communist country in the world to see how that's worked on. Or would that data and history be too real to consider? Probably. Racism isn't the real issue.
No such thing as a free lunch. That being said free healthcare, free education here. How does that work? Through taxes of course. Why does it work? On two counts 1. I am my brothers and sisters keeper and 2. It is an investment into people that pays it self off.

So there is the mentality behind it that is very anti "fuck you I got mine" and the fact that governemt insists that everybody who can contribute do.
Somehow ppl still manage to get paid and drive fancy cars in this "socialist" country... must be magic.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Alright, alright. Let's calm down, gents. We have to look at this from a realistic perspective, because there are two sides of the coin at play here:
  • Open immigration policies are great if you have a national policy that provides education, training, and language lessons. And if you have that level of infrastructure in place, then great! Bring 'em in. Let 'em come. Because let me tell you, there are tens of thousands of businesses across the United States that are experiencing a serious skilled labor shortage.
  • Closed immigration policies only work if your current population is actively "replacing" themselves, which many Americans are not. If you look at Japan which has a much more closed immigration policy, they are suffering from an aged work force, because none of them are having babies. Big problem when large amounts of your country's wealth are locked away in savings and aren't moving (money has to flow).
And so, that puts America in a bit of a pickle, and is what is crippling some European countries as well. We have large numbers of immigrants flowing into the United States, and we really don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate them, retrain them, teach them language skills, and teach them a trade that is valuable and useful so that they can successfully assimilate with the rest of the population. At least, not for the volume we're experiencing.
All valid points and concerns.. the thing is though that if you use TrumpHate(tm) to try and solve it you WILL end up with a bigger albeit different problem on your hands. Intelligent solutions to complex problems... not the skin-head rhetoric that Drumpf peddles...
 

pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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Who knew in Trump's mind only immigrants of color are bad.

Shithole African countries
All Haitians have aids
I prefer my immigrants from Norwegian countries
Equating immigrants from South America with animals

Sounds racist to me unless your head is buried in the sand.

Big difference between Illegal Immigrant and Legal Immigrant. Regardless of where they are from or what color they happen to be.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Big difference between Illegal Immigrant and Legal Immigrant. Regardless of where they are from or what color they happen to be.
Is that why Trump consistently denigrates immigrants of color legal or not? I guess you missed those chapters of the Trump Guide For The Good Racist
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Alright, alright. Let's calm down, gents. We have to look at this from a realistic perspective, because there are two sides of the coin at play here:
  • Open immigration policies are great if you have a national policy that provides education, training, and language lessons. And if you have that level of infrastructure in place, then great! Bring 'em in. Let 'em come. Because let me tell you, there are tens of thousands of businesses across the United States that are experiencing a serious skilled labor shortage.
  • Closed immigration policies only work if your current population is actively "replacing" themselves, which many Americans are not. If you look at Japan which has a much more closed immigration policy, they are suffering from an aged work force, because none of them are having babies. Big problem when large amounts of your country's wealth are locked away in savings and aren't moving (money has to flow).
And so, that puts America in a bit of a pickle, and is what is crippling some European countries as well. We have large numbers of immigrants flowing into the United States, and we really don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate them, retrain them, teach them language skills, and teach them a trade that is valuable and useful so that they can successfully assimilate with the rest of the population. At least, not for the volume we're experiencing.

I have to disagree with that last part. Immigrants have a very high employment rate.
 
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Let's go and pretend that your hero Strongman Trump hasn't referred to Mexicans like, hundreds of times, in public.

Keep on keepin' on, collaborator.
I didn't know that "Mexican" was a race either, but keep on marching to your racist bullshit.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Just stumbled on to this racism wagon train. This is currently popular to go on about without fair consideration for the results of the extremely idealistic notion that, well, let's just let everyone in. Anybody see what San Francisco is turning into? Or the growing problems in NY, LA, pretty much any popular "sanctuary" for everyone from anywhere? And taken to the next extreme, i.e. let's just give away free care of all kinds, and education, and jobs with the government, to whoever wants it, because they just deserve it. OK, then, let's look at pretty much every socialist/communist country in the world to see how that's worked on. Or would that data and history be too real to consider? Probably. Racism isn't the real issue.

I think you meant to say you just stumbled off the wagon... Ray Bolger would be proud...
 

Phenzyn

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Meh. Really reaching for racism on this one. "oh no he said the word infest" FFS
Wow, pick up a history book! Since I'm a history major, let me educate you and your fellow Trump cultists.

Do you think the horrific events in Germany started any different? You can go back to anytime within recent human history and these are the words they use.

From the Holocaust museum:

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007819

Nazi Propaganda in Occupied Poland

The Nazi regime did not limit distribution of propaganda linking Jews and vermin or disease to Germany. In occupied Poland, Nazi propaganda reinforced the policy of confining Jews to ghettos by portraying them as a health threat requiring quarantine, while German policy makers created a self-fulfilling prophecy by severely limiting access by ghetto residents to food, water, and medicines.

German educational films shown to Polish school children identified “the Jew” as a carrier of lice and typhus. The governor of the Warsaw district, Ludwig Fischer, reported the distribution of “3,000 large posters, 7,000 smaller posters, and 500,000 pamphlets” to inform the Polish population of the health threat posed by the ghettoized Jews. Such fear-mongering no doubt hindered public aid to Jews in the ghettos of German-occupied Poland.​

So referencing vermin? Who infest a place and how they need to be "quarantined" isn't comparable to what is happening here? Then why would you use the exact same descriptors to enforce your rhetoric?

Now let me show you a tweet from Donald Trump

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009071403918864385

Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!
So these people fleeing from gangs are going to come here and what? Start the gangs up again here? They are fleeing gangs WITH THEIR CHILDREN, because they want to make their children safe so obviously the safest thing to do would be to just start new MS-13 pockets in the US. Makes sense!

Direct-freakin-quote from Trump when he was campaining.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ican-immigrants-tremendous-infectious-disease

Tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico​

Now here is Nazi propaganda on "Aliens" also from the Holocaust museum link:

Anti-Jewish Propaganda

Exploiting pre-existing images and stereotypes, Nazi propagandists portrayed Jews as an “alien race” that fed off the host nation, poisoned its culture, seized its economy, and enslaved its workers and farmers.​

Where do you think these terms "aliens" started? And for what purpose?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/27/illegal-alien-a-short-history/

Because you need to dehumanize them, make them out to be non-human entirely. These are not people, they are aliens.

And Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aib5Ts2cDI8

"These aren't people. These are animals." (C-SPAN)

This is textbook Fascism!!

Then he "defends" Germany (Like he gives 2 craps about them or anyone else)

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1008696508697513985

The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!

Besides the fact that all of this that is pertinent to Germany is a FLAT OUT LIE. Lies within lies, as you can see here
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/europe/germany-trump-crime-figures/index.html

This is litterally the exact same rhetoric that Germany used. He is literally talking about how the Germans need to "protect their culture" against the "aliens" that are invading their culture. This is identical to what the Nazi's said at the beginning and throughout their regime.

I could go on and on and link what Trump has done from day one to fascist regimes being started throughout recent human history and tie his rhetoric and propaganda to EXACTLY what other dictators did. Destroy the free press, immigration, racism, on and on. It's like he is reading from a book on how to turn a country from a democracy into a fascist country.

You idiots need to WAKE UP! It's people like you that allowed the atrocities in Germany to take place because you thought it was no big deal, or you bought into the racist ideologies being so purposefully dished out. This isn't a one time thing for Trump, he has been pushing to make our country into something else from day one.

We are the longest standing democracy in the history of the world. Period. No other country has a record of 300 plus years where an election was held every single time one was slated to take place. EVERY TIME. No exceptions. I guess you think when trump says things like "I wish I could be president for life" is just a joke and yet every single action he makes says that is exactly what he wants.

EDIT: Some of my points were left out as I was editing and trying to make it look pretty
 
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