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jayzds

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That assumes, though, that all the symptomatic cases have been confirmed, i.e. it neglects all the cases that are neither asymptomatic nor confirmed.

The case fatality rate is probably a lot less than that 2.14%. But I presume we won't know what it is (was) till long after this is over, when maybe we can test loads of people for antibodies and work out how many people had it, and also look at the excess death rates and work out how many more people died than normally would.

I'm inclined to guess that the rate is about 1%. But given how contagious it is almost everyone will eventually get it, so that's a lot of deaths. But those are just wild guesses on my part.


I agree with you but, I think it will be under 1%. Either way it is a bit of deaths, and we can't bankrupt the country to save a small %.

This was here in Arizona long before January anyways. Back in November the hospitals were really busy, and full of people who were sick, with people needing ventilators with Flu symptoms, and tested negative for the Flu. Now they are so slow, and nurses are now on furlough because everything else is shut down.

Either way the real numbers will eventually come out, and hope this happens before this country turns into a worse shit hole with what we will be dealing with from this fallout now.
 

pmv

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I agree with you but, I think it will be under 1%. Either way it is a bit of deaths, and we can't bankrupt the country to save a small %.

This was here in Arizona long before January anyways. Back in November the hospitals were really busy, and full of people who were sick, with people needing ventilators with Flu symptoms, and tested negative for the Flu. Now they are so slow, and nurses are now on furlough because everything else is shut down.

Either way the real numbers will eventually come out, and hope this happens before this country turns into a worse shit hole with what we will be dealing with from this fallout now.

There's no evidence that it was in the US before January. Least of all Arizona (hardly the most internationally-connected part of the country). I don't believe that is at all likely.

You could certainly be right that the CFR is well-under 1%, though. I just picked a round number. 1% may be a kind of upper-limit, and it depends on how old the population is and how well the medical system performs. I would point out that the case fatality rate with the Diamond Princess passengers is 2%, but they are disproportionately old. With that aircraft carrier full of young fit guys, 1 out of 600 has died - but that might yet go up.

Really, really hard to say at this point. Amazing to me how many unknowns there are. One gets used to there being an 'expert' class who have all the answers, but on this they don't. Everyone is stumbling around in the dark.
 

IronWing

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The earliest reported case in Arizona was January 26th with the infected person recently returned from China. The Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows in early February pull tens of thousands of travelers from pretty much every country on earth that the US allows in, including a large number of Chinese dealers. We’ll have to wait for widespread antibody testing to see if the virus was spread during the shows.
 

mopardude87

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I do find it funny i got a few "christian" frends living in absolute fear with their political views of course as most do, what happened to their faith and their views? I fear nothing but fear itself and my deity and Karma. Karma is real. The fact we polluted the world for so long just to have this pandemic is proof. It can come back anywhere between 1-3 fold.

Obviously the government is not working right when my "christian" friend who is a 33rd degree Free Mason wants to move out of this country. He is trying to get a passport as we speak no matter how much i tell him we will blow past this, he keeps on talking bout his god but guess what i see ZERO faith.

All the faith in this government is clearly failing. My friend was DAMN dedicated to this country and if he can lose faith i assume most will VERY soon. It may bring about the New World Order and maybe even the Mark of the Beast. Some theories already cooking about how the vaccine is the Mark. They are as such till evidence is proven as fact. I don't exactly believe in the 666 deal as related to the devil and that is not my deity. It COULD be a agenda but still looking for proof before i can conclude.

I say enjoy the bickering, the what little fighting you guys can do with what little time you got left.I will light a candle in your memory if you become one of the taken due to this.

Blessed be! Hope everyone has a wonderful day.
 

Trell

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That assumes, though, that all the symptomatic cases have been confirmed, i.e. it neglects all the cases that are neither asymptomatic nor confirmed.

The case fatality rate is probably a lot less than that 2.14%. But I presume we won't know what it is (was) till long after this is over, when maybe we can test loads of people for antibodies and work out how many people had it, and also look at the excess death rates and work out how many more people died than normally would.

I'm inclined to guess that the rate is about 1%. But given how contagious it is almost everyone will eventually get it, so that's a lot of deaths. But those are just wild guesses on my part.

Even if you add 50% to the total symptomatic & asymptomatic you would still be at around 1.5% based on the current confirmed deaths (which could be off just as much as cases). It would be great if the numbers are lower than that, but it seems unlikely that we are under counting cases by 50% or higher and not under counting deaths... The point is really that even if 60% of people do not show symptoms this is a major issue and will cause a staggering number of deaths if we do not keep working to minimize contact everywhere.
 

pmv

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The point is really that even if 60% of people do not show symptoms this is a major issue and will cause a staggering number of deaths if we do not keep working to minimize contact everywhere.

I think that's probably true. But I'm not really sure about anything at this point. I feel there have to be ways to control the infection while not collapsing the economy, though. But nobody in authority seems to be putting much effort into working that out.
 

amrnuke

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I agree with you but, I think it will be under 1%. Either way it is a bit of deaths, and we can't bankrupt the country to save a small %.
The country has been bankrupt for decades. We keep "borrowing" from our personal slush fund (the Feds) and selling securities to other countries assuming our hegemony is going to continue on without interruption. To suddenly act like it's important now, and that hundreds of thousands dying is worth it, that's really low.

This was here in Arizona long before January anyways.
You're going to have to source that.

Back in November the hospitals were really busy, and full of people who were sick, with people needing ventilators with Flu symptoms, and tested negative for the Flu. Now they are so slow, and nurses are now on furlough because everything else is shut down.
This happens every fall/winter. There are other viruses - RSV, adenovirus, echovirus, coxsackievirus, rhinovirus, etc - that all cause flu symptoms. Many of them are seasonal and some of them have random spikes for unknown reasons.

Either way the real numbers will eventually come out, and hope this happens before this country turns into a worse shit hole with what we will be dealing with from this fallout now.
What do you think the real numbers are? Are you implying you don't believe the lab tests? If not, what WOULD you believe? Your gut? You know what they call people who deny the facts in order to prevent violating their deeply-held beliefs...
 
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mopardude87

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It's okay. What you posted wasn't worth it the first time around.

True cause you won't even agree or consider or understand it cause you're to absent minded, so yeah welcome to the ignore bin. Have fun and blessed be!
 
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Mai72

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Oh, I'll get to that one as well.. but, more pointing and laughing at beta cucks for now...

We are the product of a wealthy country. Go look at The Roman Empire. The same shit happened. Society got lazy. Corruption was rampant. They lost site of reality. Our grandparents were working 16 hour shifts to put food on the table. Now? Let's all Netflix and chill. When a country finds success the next generations get more and more lazy. They start taking things for granted. They don't want to sacrifice like the previous generations. Good times= complacency.
 

mopardude87

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The origins of Panic goes right back to a deity called Pan, i hope this song sets the mood for what the world is going through while every other person is being vile to each other during one of the biggest damn pandemics since the spanish flu.



That song is my closing thought, its not gonna matter if i pray for you people, light candles or express myself some negative energy is always finding its way. Not a shocker, the enemy has many minions. Yeah not gonna bother with this thread any more cause yup its all negative. I could have bet $5 per response on comments and honestly made a bit of money this morning. The behavior is rather predictable.

People shun what is not understood. That is why i am done. No death threats coming my way, i am shocked but if they do well idk Karma will settle you just fine.
 

brycejones

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The origins of Panic goes right back to a deity called Pan, i hope this song sets the mood for what the world is going through while every other person is being vile to each other during one of the biggest damn pandemics since the spanish flu.



That song is my closing thought, its not gonna matter if i pray for you people, light candles or express myself some negative energy is always finding its way. Not a shocker, the enemy has many minions. Yeah not gonna bother with this thread any more cause yup its all negative. I could have bet $5 per response on comments and honestly made a bit of money this morning. The behavior is rather predictable.

People shun what is not understood. That is why i am done. No death threats coming my way, i am shocked but if they do well idk Karma will settle you just fine.
I hope you could consider if the way you entered this thread and continued to post could in a not insignificant way contribute to the negativity you feel now. You speak of Karma, I would put to you that you have created your own Karma in this thread.
 

ivwshane

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I hope you could consider if the way you entered this thread and continued to post could in a not insignificant way contribute to the negativity you feel now. You speak of Karma, I would put to you that you have created your own Karma in this thread.

It reminds me of that saying: if you run into one asshole during your day, well that was just one asshole but if everyone you run into is an asshole, well, it’s because you are the asshole.
 

Meghan54

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True cause you won't even agree or consider or understand it cause you're to absent minded, so yeah welcome to the ignore bin. Have fun and blessed be!

OMG!!! The ignore bin. LOL!!!

We've heard that tripe before from better trolls than you...and they always seem to respond to those they swear they've previously ignored. Imagine that.
 

mopardude87

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I hope you could consider if the way you entered this thread and continued to post could in a not insignificant way contribute to the negativity you feel now. You speak of Karma, I would put to you that you have created your own Karma in this thread.

Sure why not, not like me pressing this 3d printing mask idea to the masses is gonna do bad on my Karma. I expressed myself against my better judgement cause as i have come to realize political matters always end up heated. I went against my common beliefs like i did a few days ago, finally get insulted AGAIN cause i wouldn't share my views then when i do oh yeah its heated. Typical of politics its why i always trust in divine over this horse shit. I did ignore you as per the message i sent but i will have to drop this link.

Not in my nature to usually be negative, i can be as angry just like any political party member such as a rep or dem wishing death on their parties all i want. Why not, the stupidity is overwhelming and you people deserve each others misery i hope you enjoy my last closing thought before the ignore bin.


My belief is never to give up on people, its why i been kinda persistent in this thread. Even at this point i give up, i could only hope my deity forgives me for it. THIS the last post, you guys get back to your regularly scheduled hate preaching and your politics. I hope that pans out for you, no pun intended. Gonna have some of my edible indica, mellow out and enjoy what the earth has provided to me. Maybe find more positive threads with hope and inspiration instead of this?
 
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