Trump calls MS 13 members "animals"

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Perknose

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Correction, it's THE ANIMALS.
I think their best hit was "House Of The Rising Sun".
Glad to hear Trump is a fan.
Maybe they'll be invited to perform at the Whitehouse?
Eric Burdon! I love their Afghanistan-themed song:


^^^ Holy Guacamole! The guy who paired this vid with that song had the same idea, 'Nam style. We were graduating HS at the time, and applied this apparently universal song to HS and the backward burbs we grew up in. Never actually heard it so applied in-country, but it sure fits!

Hey! Anyone think there are multiple members of this Administration humming this song under their breath? Because the Orangutan-in-Chief has the intelligence and cultural breeding of a beta status simian. #Deplorable
 

ch33zw1z

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This is the exact kind of PC bullshit that helped Trump win, and that the media should really stop spreading.

People use colorful language sometimes, no matter what their job is, get over it.
Oh yes, please tell us how the Cons in our country dislike PC that doesn't adhere to their ideals., we hadn't heard about their hypocrisy in this matter before now.
 

brycejones

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This is the exact kind of PC bullshit that helped Trump win, and that the media should really stop spreading.

People use colorful language sometimes, no matter what their job is, get over it.

Oh you poor snowflakes, someone criticized the words you used, its the end of the world. It sucks when other people exercise their freedom of speech to criticize your speech.
 

Ichinisan

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Can't stand Trump, but criticizing the use of the word "animals" to characterize people who commit disturbingly violent / uncivil / inhuman behavior is just silly. This doesn't even register on my give-a-fuck-o-meter.

Trump needs to go, but this is not the reason.

I guess he should use kind less demeaning words when he intends to demean some violent people who need to be demeaned. We wouldn't want MS-13 folks to be insulted by calling out their animalistic behavior.
 
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Perknose

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This is the exact kind of PC bullshit that helped Trump win, and that the media should really stop spreading.

People use colorful language sometimes, no matter what their job is, get over it.
What you call "PC bullshit" is the very first step in politically preparing your populace to support inhuman measures against humans by branding them as not human. Blood and soil, Deutschland Uber Alles, America First . . .



It is the age old tactic that appeals to ignorant nativist yahoos. And it's been done before, to great success:



Wake up, sport! Frump is using the tiny minority of a gang our foreign policy helped create to dehumanize all Latino immigrants, and you think those alarmed by that are being . . . too PC?

Your easily catered to historical and social ignorance is . . . deplorable!
 

K1052

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Can't stand Trump, but criticizing the use of the word "animals" to characterize people who commit disturbingly violent / uncivil / inhuman behavior is just silly. This doesn't even register on my give-a-fuck-o-meter.

Trump needs to go, but this is not the reason.

This misses the point. Trump has constantly used MS-13 to prop up his argument that illegal immigrants, overall, are probably violent criminals when that isn't the case. I mean he explictly announced his candidacy on such platform.
 
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What you call "PC bullshit" is the very first step in politically preparing your populace to support inhuman measures against humans by branding them as not human. Blood and soil, Deutschland Uber Alles, America First . . .
<snip>
Looks like its time to invoke Godwin's Law.
 

zinfamous

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Fear the others; take no responsibilities for your own failures.

Good job, little fascists--keep it up. It's not like we haven't been down this road multiple times in our past.
 

MrSquished

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I get all the arguments on both sides but my gut reaction, as a very liberal person, is that this is indeed the PC type of stuff that got Trump elected in the first place. All these nuanced arguments about how this can now be extrapolated to show Trump really is a racist, again, or to say Trump is at stage 1 of being the next great Nazi or fascist or whatever is just going to go way over the head of most folks, on both sides of the aisle. So why bother ALL the time?

Sometimes serious criminals act like animals. IMO.
 
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HomerJS

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If you take Trump's statement in a vacuum its a silly debate. Factor in Trump's racist history, puts it in a different light.
 

Ventanni

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I think we can all agree that Trump never misses an opportunity add incendiary rhetoric to a conversation. As a politician and businessman, it's a very successful way to distract people from the core issues at hand.

So, what is the core issue?

The core issue, politics/opinions aside, is that we have a large amount of people migrating to the United States. Some are good, some are great, some are bad, and some are gravy. Alright, cool. In order for any immigrant policy is any nation to be successful, the immigrants have to be successfully assimilated in some fashion to act as contributing members of society. That doesn't mean they have to look or act exactly the same, but they have to have the same general goal as everyone else. That's true for Norway, Germany, China, or any country with immigrant policies.

Am I tracking? Alright, good.

Assimilation, however, doesn't come free. It requires some form of active, passive, or loss of investment on part of the parent country. And right now, a lot of those immigrants need to be further educated, taught new skills, taught English, and provided with a place to live until they do so. Every single immigrant coming to America right now can be successfully integrated. Every single one. That's not the problem. The problem is how are you going to best and most efficiently solve for that? That's what actually requires the real thinking.

The real dividing factor in America politics right now comes down to answering that last question. Right now, a lot of Americans are watching the actions of these sanctuary cities and wondering if this is really the best policy. Is this the best use of resources? And, is it being respectful to the citizens who are already living there? These are valid concerns, and they have to be considered.

If you want to be the better man than Trump, which is not hard (lolololololol), go after the real issues. Be the solution. Don't add fuel to the fire.
 
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MrSquished

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If you take Trump's statement in a vacuum its a silly debate. Factor in Trump's racist history, puts it in a different light.

We live in a 'what have you done for me lately' kind of society.

If we want to win the elections we have to treat things as if they are happening in a vacuum sometimes.
 

repoman0

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Well, really we're all just apes with large brains who try really hard to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal world. Dump said it like it is, but he should remember that he's just an animal too, as is everyone else. There is quite a lot of common ground to be found between us and chimps.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if a particularly intelligent chimp could be taught to speak sign language better than Trump can speak English in his current degraded mental state.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump & Co are good at not being specific when he regurgitates his hyperbolic generalizations. It may be on purpose so he gets the media and people who are "outraged" by his comments in the "news" so his supporters can say "look at the media and the liberals, they think these MS-13 people really aren't that bad and don't deserve to be called animals, they seem to want them in the country"..blah blah. Manufactured outrage - This has been standard operating procedure for this Administration from the onset. They are really not fooling people who are paying attention.

he's like Grandpa who comes to Sunday dinner with his underpants on his head. The first few times he does it, people are shocked and dismayed. Then it becomes Normal for Him and people say, "Oh, that's just Grandpa."
 

SMOGZINN

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Trump & Co are good at not being specific when he regurgitates his hyperbolic generalizations. It may be on purpose so he gets the media and people who are "outraged" by his comments in the "news" so his supporters can say "look at the media and the liberals, they think these MS-13 people really aren't that bad and don't deserve to be called animals, they seem to want them in the country..blah blah. Manufactured outrage - This has been standard operating procedure for this Administration from the onset. They are really not fooling people who are paying attention.

Actually, my bet is that Trump just don't English good.
 

brandonbull

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Idiots hate of Trump and America is such that they feel the need to defend and normalize vicious criminals. Libtards get triggered because Trump called some vicious criminals "animals" but couldn't care less about the wonderful names Melania has been called. I guess she's not a human.
 

K1052

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Trump & Co are good at not being specific when he regurgitates his hyperbolic generalizations. It may be on purpose so he gets the media and people who are "outraged" by his comments in the "news" so his supporters can say "look at the media and the liberals, they think these MS-13 people really aren't that bad and don't deserve to be called animals, they seem to want them in the country"..blah blah. Manufactured outrage - This has been standard operating procedure for this Administration from the onset. They are really not fooling people who are paying attention.

Yes, it's intentional.

Someone who's covered him for years breaks it down:

 

VRAMdemon

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Idiots hate of Trump and America is such that they feel the need to defend and normalize vicious criminals. Libtards get triggered because Trump called some vicious criminals "animals" but couldn't care less about the wonderful names Melania has been called. I guess she's not a human.

Exibit A, of what I was talking about..
 

Vic

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MAGAs sure do love their phantom menaces. It seems like there is always some relatively minor problem that they are always eager and willing to conflate into some End-of-America crisis that requires the government to go kill a whole bunch of people (just not them of course).
And if you disagree with their Chicken Little-ism, that's because you hate America and the government should kill you too. Because freedom!
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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I think we can all agree that Trump never misses an opportunity add incendiary rhetoric to a conversation. As a politician and businessman, it's a very successful way to distract people from the core issues at hand.

So, what is the core issue?

The core issue, politics/opinions aside, is that we have a large amount of people migrating to the United States. Some are good, some are great, some are bad, and some are gravy. Alright, cool. In order for any immigrant policy is any nation to be successful, the immigrants have to be successfully assimilated in some fashion to act as contributing members of society. That doesn't mean they have to look or act exactly the same, but they have to have the same general goal as everyone else. That's true for Norway, Germany, China, or any country with immigrant policies.

Am I tracking? Alright, good.

Assimilation, however, doesn't come free. It requires some form of active, passive, or loss of investment on part of the parent country. And right now, a lot of those immigrants need to be further educated, taught new skills, taught English, and provided with a place to live until they do so. Every single immigrant coming to America right now can be successfully integrated. Every single one. That's not the problem. The problem is how are you going to best and most efficiently solve for that? That's what actually requires the real thinking.

The real dividing factor in America politics right now comes down to answering that last question. Right now, a lot of Americans are watching the actions of these sanctuary cities and wondering if this is really the best policy. Is this the best use of resources? And, is it being respectful to the citizens who are already living there? These are valid concerns, and they have to be considered.

If you want to be the better man than Trump, which is not hard (lolololololol), go after the real issues. Be the solution. Don't add fuel to the fire.

What exactly do you think the policies of sanctuary cities are? There is no expenditure of resources, the policy is actually the non-expenditure of resources to aid in immigration enforcement for people who aren't causing problems. I think most reasonable people would say that's the best use of resources. As to if it's respectful to the citizens living there I sincerely doubt almost any of them notice. I'm pretty confident that a significant number of potentially illegal immigrants live around me and it has zero impact on my life.

I do agree the resource argument is a very important one though because it highlights exactly how stupid Trump's immigration policies are. Law enforcement agencies have a limited number of resources at their disposal. Under Obama they focused those resources on catching and deporting people who were engaged in criminal activity. Under Trump a good portion of those resources have been diverted to catching and deporting people who aren't causing any problems, therefore almost by definition decreasing the resources available to go after criminals. For all his tough talk about criminal immigrants he's actually made their lives easier.
 
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