Trump calls on Sessions to stop Mueller probe

[zinfamous]

Twitter really has made obstruction of justice a rather efficient, cut-and-dry action, hasn't it?

 

[HomerJS]

Noticed a new tactic officially put out in the daily press conference by the Huckster. Tweets have now gone from official policy to just opinions, cause reasons. Must be that obstruction thing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...p-tweet-on-russia-probe/ar-BBLmURR?li=BBnbcA1

The White House already stated tweets are official policy so obstruction of justice is clear here.

Besides didn't he fire someone via twitter?

What happened here Trump opened his mouth and the staff goes back to either clean up the mess, backtrack or possibly make it happen. This time the lawyers freaked out.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This would be funnier if it wasn't sad and embarrassing

 

[compuwiz1]

Sorry I'm so slow on the uptake, but after years, I have figured out who Moonbeam really is. He's Jerry Brown, the governor of Californicate. I live here and he's our spiritual advisor.

 

[realibrad]

Because brad you have a knack for appearing to always defend the bad guys in your pleas for humanity. It certainly makes me wonder about you at times. Who done ya wrong brad? Who thinks you're the bad guy [unfairly or unjustly]? Also, why are you a bad guy? <--- that last question was for my own amusement, you know I don't think you're a bad guy (I sure do hope I'm not wrong about you).

It is strange to me that pleading for humanity seems to be a defense of the inhumane actions by bad guys. My next comment is not directed at you, but I have a feeling it will hit close enough to seem like a jab and that is not the intention.

If someone thinks that calling for more humanity is not the solution to those that do inhumane things, then what side is that first person truly on?

Now, as for Jhnn, he gets things really wrong. I literally started in a thread saying that when the Right goes unchecked it leads to things like the Nazi state. His first response to me is that I don't believe Right authoritarianism exists. In a thread before that, I say Trump is an idiot and is harming the country, to which he responds that I am supporting Trump unless I can say Trump is a harmful idiot.

Something about me triggers that boy and what he thinks he read is completely disconnected from what is written.

 

[realibrad]

You are missing one very important point. The cultists don't think there's anything wrong with them. They think hate, greed and ugliness is the natural order. You're well aware the programmed are notoriously difficult to de-program. It's not just that they've been known to drink the poison, they want to drink it rather than face reality.

That is the thing though, that Cult has been building and getting more extreme before Trump.

Here is a great example. My mom is a deep Fox News Republican. She is not grounded in the ideals that are supposed to be the Right's. She is for the party through and through. She was in a car accident when she was in her early 40's and claimed disability. She survived off of my Dad's child support and the state. Yet, she would talk about how people need to be able to stand on their own because that is what is right.

I have a gay best friend which she loves, and yet, she also feels that gay marriage should not be legal.

When McCain was running and Palin was shoot into the spotlight, my mom loved her. She questioned Obama's birth origin ect.

The party is sick and Trump could only happen in this situation. Remember, the establishment for all its problems realized pretty early that Trump was bad and they were all pretty much against him. As time went on, they realized that holy shit this guy is tapping into the things we built and we may not be able to stop him.

When you create a machine of anger and fear of others, and you keep making those stronger, you risk losing control. Trump came in and grabbed that control, but, if you don't stop that machine someone else will.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I hope someone reminds him he's the President and he can order Jeff Sessions to do things, and fire him. I know that technically it's Rosenstein who has to end the investigation, but do we really think Trump cares about those little details? You can do anything that no one prevents you from doing, after all, and people with the ability to prevent Trump from doing things are not exactly speaking up at all.

He lacks any discernible kindness or empathy, but despite his catchphrase's he has an aversion to firing people. But in this case with Sessions he's forced to passively aggressively make their lives miserable instead until hopefully they quit. Which works if you're running a closely-held branding company, but it won't work on career federal prosecutors. In the end he’s a passive aggressive coward. He fired Tillerson by Tweet, only fired two Obama era DAs when they refused to resign and probably had someone else do it.

He fired Comey probably because he thought everyone, Democrats included, would love him for it. Didn’t work out that way.

My guess would be that Trump's failure to actually fire Sessions comes with some strongly-worded advice from someone Trump actually listens to -- which would narrow it down to Putin or Ivanka.

If he wants this Russia thing to go up in smoke, then he can't end with just firing Sessions. He has to fire Rosenstein, too. And perhaps Christopher Wray for good measure. I'm sure his closest confidants have told him all of this.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have suggested from the beginning of Trump and long before with regards to other egotists seeking ego gratification via power and fame, that their self hate will drive them to do things that tempt fate, that they will be unconsciously driven to fail because their whole ego structure depends on struggling with and conquering shame. They hate themselves and are trying to escape that pain by stoking the fires within them. This self sabotage is a well known phenomenon among the psychologically introspective.

The result of Trumps endless winning will drive him to create a constitutional crisis, in my opinion, as a final test to master. If he wins that one, next in line,I think, will be war against the rest of the world. Good luck stopping the ego demented if you can’t see we all suffer from the same disease and refuse to see it.

 

[TeeJay1952]

I live near Detroit where the old mayor resides in prison. I live next to Illinois where 3 out of last 4 governors reside in prison. Why is the President exempt from rule of law?

 

[HomerJS]

I have suggested from the beginning of Trump and long before with regards to other egotists seeking ego gratification via power and fame, that their self hate will drive them to do things that tempt fate, that they will be unconsciously driven to fail because their whole ego structure depends on struggling with and conquering shame. They hate themselves and are trying to escape that pain by stoking the fires within them. This self sabotage is a well known phenomenon among the psychologically introspective.

The result of Trumps endless winning will drive him to create a constitutional crisis, in my opinion, as a final test to master. If he wins that one, next in line,I think, will be war against the rest of the world. Good luck stopping the ego demented if you can’t see we all suffer from the same disease and refuse to see it.

Not like most of us didn't realize this before the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

The party is sick and Trump could only happen in this situation. Remember, the establishment for all its problems realized pretty early that Trump was bad and they were all pretty much against him. As time went on, they realized that holy shit this guy is tapping into the things we built and we may not be able to stop him.

The right wing noise machine has been messing with their minds since Gingrich, at least. Relentless & divisive wedge issue messaging of hate & discontent towards their fellow Americans & towards the govt of the People. It's all woven in with trickle down economics that are destroying the middle class.

With Trump, it has descended into mindless tribalism. Russian meddling in our elections doesn't even bother a lot of them & their trust in the liar in chief is near absolute.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans-want-russia-influence-us-elections-202847050.html

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22600827/donald-trump-supporters-believe-the-media/

 

[realibrad]

The right wing noise machine has been messing with their minds since Gingrich, at least. Relentless & divisive wedge issue messaging of hate & discontent towards their fellow Americans & towards the govt of the People. It's all woven in with trickle down economics that are destroying the middle class.

With Trump, it has descended into mindless tribalism. Russian meddling in our elections doesn't even bother a lot of them & their trust in the liar in chief is near absolute.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans-want-russia-influence-us-elections-202847050.html

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22600827/donald-trump-supporters-believe-the-media/

I thought you said I was a Trump supporter? Now you seem to agree with me. Does that make you wrong, or a Trump supporter?

 

[realibrad]

I live near Detroit where the old mayor resides in prison. I live next to Illinois where 3 out of last 4 governors reside in prison. Why is the President exempt from rule of law?

Yeah, pretty much.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2000/10/31/op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf

The OLC memorandum concluded that all federal civil officers except the President are subject to indictment and criminal prosecution while still in office; the President is uniquely immune from such process.

It seems silly I know, but, that is how it seems to be. Now, its law and things can change, but that was a document from 10/16/2000, but, it was in relation to something concluded back in 1973. Its been a thing for some time now.

 

[interchange]

I personally interpret this tweet as not being obstruction based on my reading of the statute and understanding of precedent, but I'm no legal expert. I do think that tweets may be evidence supporting obstruction or other charges, especially so for the President based on his power and his utilization of Twitter for communication of official business and with peers. There is certainly precedent here with his tweets being used to support stopping his initial travel ban as being intended to discriminate against Muslims.

All that said, the tweets are uniquely Trump. Not that Trump's personality is puzzling but rather only Trump has been in this position with this particular personality. Thus everything that he does is bizzaro-world. Seriously, who receives communication that someone is criminally investigating you for an activity and responds to that by brazenly flaunting the activity that might be criminal? Also in bizzaro-world, the desire to project legitimacy and solvency of this administration among the Republican party (and to lesser extent government overall) protects this behavior. Imagine any other President being investigated for the same thing. I'm sure they'd try hard to keep attention away from the investigation and their true feelings about it out of public view. If they suddenly tweeted to encourage the AG to shut down a special investigation, impeachment proceedings would start the next day.

One thing I can say is that, although the effect of this may paradoxically provide Trump success, I have no illusion that he's engaging in this behavior with calculated intention.

 

[Thump553]

The OLC memo is NOT the law, it is an opinion about what the law is-albeit an opinion from an influential source. It is up to the courts, and most likely ultimately the Supreme Court, to decide what the law is on this issue.

That being said if Trump gets his latest nominee through the Senate he is guaranteed at least one solid vote for his get-out-of-jail free card. But I'm sureeee that well known opinion of Kavanaugh had nothing to do with Trump picking him, right?

 

[trenchfoot]

I live near Detroit where the old mayor resides in prison. I live next to Illinois where 3 out of last 4 governors reside in prison. Why is the President exempt from rule of law?

I'm thinking that those millions of Trump's supporters are daring their congress critters to do something about Trump and if they do, these misguided minions will vote them out of office come November because they have made it very clear that Trump is The Chosen One and if anyone dare to unseat his ass well, there will be a reckoning of biblical Second Amendment proportions to deal with.

That being said, I find it so interesting that generally speaking and in many other ways, Trump's supporters fall into two distinct categories: Those that see him as the New Messiah and those that see him as the prophesied Son of Satan coming to fulfill The Word. These folks have chosen to wilfully ignore the damage their Chosen One is wreaking on the nation because their prophesies must, repeat MUST be fulfilled to its ultimate conclusion, of which through the power of miraculous coincidental fate, requires a total of eight years to happen.

At that time, the tax cut that Trump and his fellow all knowing sycophants in the legislature blessed the middle class with will expire, and depending on whichever camp they belong to, Trump will either MAGA (Mission Accomplished Gouging America) or as millions of their religiously imbued brethren fervently hope for, the Revelation scenario will kick in and something truly righteous will happen but only for them because everyone else will literally go to hell.

So for them, whatever happens before their expectations are fulfilled is meaningless. Ergo, no matter what category they hail from, all of these folks understand that they have to put up with Trump's egregiously humiliating behavior because to them there is a higher cause that awaits them.

 

[Noah Abrams]

LOL! Just read the last line.

I don't necessarily prefer dark amusement at someone's expense before bed but a smile's a smile. I'll take it!

Yup, that is why you are on this forum. To amuse yourself. But you may want to inquire what is it in you that seeks amusement at others' expense.

 

[Maxima1]

It isn't just this recent tweet. He's signaling that Mueller and the prosecutors are bad and treating Manafort unfairly, while the Manafort jury is not sequestered a.k.a. jury tampering.

 

[cytg111]

If someone thinks that calling for more humanity is not the solution to those that do inhumane things, then what side is that first person truly on?

- I get your point truly, and agree with it though it is not an universal antidote, there is a time to fight, and fighting is usually not pretty, and a time to do and advocate for smart compassionate things. My reading of the scenario is that you guys are in a fight. Win the fight, extend olive branches of pure love afterwards.

 

[realibrad]

The OLC memo is NOT the law, it is an opinion about what the law is-albeit an opinion from an influential source. It is up to the courts, and most likely ultimately the Supreme Court, to decide what the law is on this issue.

That being said if Trump gets his latest nominee through the Senate he is guaranteed at least one solid vote for his get-out-of-jail free card. But I'm sureeee that well known opinion of Kavanaugh had nothing to do with Trump picking him, right?

Its a valid legal opinion that has been accepted for a long time.

As for Trump, probably.

 

[realibrad]

- I get your point truly, and agree with it though it is not an universal antidote, there is a time to fight, and fighting is usually not pretty, and a time to do and advocate for smart compassionate things. My reading of the scenario is that you guys are in a fight. Win the fight, extend olive branches of pure love afterwards.

Be specific. What is it that you are calling for?

 

[cytg111]

Be specific. What is it that you are calling for?

Well, for one, anti trump rallies, just like Trump is doing his shit.. I dont know why potential 2020 runners is not out there right now making a name for themselves...

 

[realibrad]

Well, for one, anti trump rallies, just like Trump is doing his shit.. I dont know why potential 2020 runners is not out there right now making a name for themselves...

So you think rallies are not pretty and is a form of fighting. Tell me, what are you advocating at the rallies that is not a "smart compassionate thing"? Are you calling for people to do inhumane things?

 

[cytg111]

So you think rallies are not pretty and is a form of fighting. Tell me, what are you advocating at the rallies that is not a "smart compassionate thing"? Are you calling for people to do inhumane things?

Yea you would like to put those words in my mouth, I got that from your first post and now you are trying to force feed me.
You know exactly what I am saying, dont use me to feed your delusions.
What Trump is doing is not smart or compassionate, he is radicalizing his base to do, to be, whatever he needs it to be, its a god damned cult willing to eat lib-meat at the next barbecue if that is what their Orange Cult Leader deems right.
It seems to me the left so far is playing the gentlemans game "I will not lower myself to their standard"-kind of bullshit. You need rally cries to match those of TrumpTards and for some *actual* leader to take point.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There's a lot of things trying too enter Trump's head and get his attention. One may be the Manafort trial. While Trump isn't going to be a subject of the trial the potential success of the prosecution should be something that tickles some reptilian neuron of fear. Mueller doing a good job will frighten the Reps with good cause. Manafort himself?

Well there's odds on that.

https://www.predictit.org/Contract/7348/Will-Trump-pardon-Manafort-by-year-end-2018#data