I'm putting words into your mouth by asking you what it is at the rallies you say you want.
Now, it sounds like you want to fight Trump with his methods. If that is not what you want to do, then explain.
Yea you would like to put those words in my mouth, I got that from your first post and now you are trying to force feed me.
You know exactly what I am saying, dont use me to feed your delusions.
What Trump is doing is not smart or compassionate, he is radicalizing his base to do, to be, whatever he needs it to be, its a god damned cult willing to eat lib-meat at the next barbecue if that is what their Orange Cult Leader deems right.
It seems to me the left so far is playing the gentlemans game "I will not lower myself to their standard"-kind of bullshit. You need rally cries to match those of TrumpTards and for some *actual* leader to take point.
So you think rallies are not pretty and is a form of fighting. Tell me, what are you advocating at the rallies that is not a "smart compassionate thing"? Are you calling for people to do inhumane things?
I'm putting words into your mouth by asking you what it is at the rallies you say you want.
Now, it sounds like you want to fight Trump with his methods. If that is not what you want to do, then explain.
So themes at the rallies? Take your pick? They are all over the news .. If I was driving it I would be all over the lost children, the dead child, all the lies, Putins bitch, this is united states not soviet united blablabla .. Anti Trump, swamp, shit to the limit.
Ask yourself ... Why is Trump still campaigning? It is because the campaign is not fucking over. The election is not over.
I am going back to reread this thread then, if I jumped the gun my apologies.How is doing that in opposition to what I said? You said we were past that time of what I wanted. So far you are saying to do things that are not anything that would not fall in what I would suggest doing.
Nah, I don't take it especially personal.It is strange to me that pleading for humanity seems to be a defense of the inhumane actions by bad guys. My next comment is not directed at you, but I have a feeling it will hit close enough to seem like a jab and that is not the intention.
If someone thinks that calling for more humanity is not the solution to those that do inhumane things, then what side is that first person truly on?
Now, as for Jhnn, he gets things really wrong. I literally started in a thread saying that when the Right goes unchecked it leads to things like the Nazi state. His first response to me is that I don't believe Right authoritarianism exists. In a thread before that, I say Trump is an idiot and is harming the country, to which he responds that I am supporting Trump unless I can say Trump is a harmful idiot.
Something about me triggers that boy and what he thinks he read is completely disconnected from what is written.
Now that's no way to encourage productive conversation now is it brad? If you mean what you say than this was an opportunity to engage in a way you could both relate to but you chose instead to be petty. You can't ask the country to do something you yourself fail to do.I thought you said I was a Trump supporter? Now you seem to agree with me. Does that make you wrong, or a Trump supporter?
I have and I'm good with it.Yup, that is why you are on this forum. To amuse yourself. But you may want to inquire what is it in you that seeks amusement at others' expense.
I am going back to reread this thread then, if I jumped the gun my apologies.
Nah, I don't take it especially personal.
You do defend bad guys in a way that makes me wonder about you. There are laws to stop these bad guys because society has decided what they do should be punished. That they should be separated from society because of it. You're not defending jay walkers brad, you're defending pedophiles and other despicable criminals. You're going to get a big reaction because people have strong feelings about these things.
You don't live in a utopian world brad. Some criminals are going to be judged by the public. Also, humans aren't designed for utopia.
There is a mass mentality happening among the right that is dangerous. If the left tried to hold hands with them, they'd lop that fu*king hand off.
So, have you ever done a spring cleaning in your house? The mess gets worse before it gets better. It's overwhelming but ding it any other way makes no sense.Bloodlust and rage help nobody. I'm for justice, but, that is as far as it goes. I see no reason for going past that.
The reason we give power to the state to deal with crime and punishment is because we realized that a 3rd party was better at doing those things. Impartial judgement is vital to modern life. Do away with it and we become those that we are casting scorn upon.
The reason the phrase "don't sink to their level" is so important is because when you do, you turn yourself into what you fight against. Its perfectly fine to look into that abyss, and is actually necessary because you need to learn and understand it. You have to be careful though because you will fall in and become part of it.
The way to deal with Trump and his supporters is not to decimate them. You have to convert them. Sucks that they made the mess, but, that matters not. Its a mess that needs to be cleaned up and you cant clean it up if you make another different mess.
Who is this ‘you’ in ‘when you create’? Isn’t it just one big machine created by fear? What real difference is their between the players and the played? How can anybody be to blame? Your thinking seems to imply there are some players out there who have an option not to be psycho and sociopaths. They all look like machines to me.When you create a machine of anger and fear of others, and you keep making those stronger, you risk losing control. Trump came in and grabbed that control, but, if you don't stop that machine someone else will.
Now that's no way to encourage productive conversation now is it brad? If you mean what you say than this was an opportunity to engage in a way you could both relate to but you chose instead to be petty. You can't ask the country to do something you yourself fail to do.
I don't think there are many people at all who realize the connection between self hate and ego.and the relationship to self destruction. I think what you mean is that most people can tell that Trump is sick.Not like most of us didn't realize this before the election.
So, have you ever done a spring cleaning in your house? The mess gets worse before it gets better. It's overwhelming but ding it any other way makes no sense.
But I am done talking with you on this subject for now. I'm finding myself to be very frustrated with you. I like doses of tedious but as we established I don't have the stamina for it that you do.
Who is this ‘you’ in ‘when you create’? Isn’t it just one big machine created by fear? What real difference is their between the players and the played? How can anybody be to blame? Your thinking seems to imply there are some players out there who have an option not to be psycho and sociopaths. They all look like machines to me.
Can't do it with somebody who imagines he's having some effect if he ignores people. I wouldn't worry about Jhhnn being delusional if I were you. You constantly mistake people rejecting the relevance of your posts to the subject matter at hand with denial of whatever irrelevancy you introduce that may in a separate and unrelated way be true and for which you will go to the mat to defend as if they the subject at hand.It most certainly is. How can I talk with people that come in, attack me based off of something false, do that over and over, and never explains himself?
I'm not saying that we need to put flowers in guns pointed at us. But, a conversation where someone talks at you and not to you wont be productive.
I have often tried to engage Jhnn, and he spirals out and then leaves. I want to figure out what is going on with him so we can establish our perspectives on what we see as reality and then work on solutions. Cant do that when someone keeps saying false things.
Can't do it with somebody who imagines he's having some effect if he ignores people. I wouldn't worry about Jhhnn being delusional if I were you. You constantly mistake people rejecting the relevance of your posts to the subject matter at hand with denial of whatever irrelevancy you introduce that may in a separate and unrelated way be true and for which you will go to the mat to defend as if they the subject at hand.
Your perspective isn't the only one in the conversation.It most certainly is. How can I talk with people that come in, attack me based off of something false, do that over and over, and never explains himself?
I'm not saying that we need to put flowers in guns pointed at us. But, a conversation where someone talks at you and not to you wont be productive.
I have often tried to engage Jhnn, and he spirals out and then leaves. I want to figure out what is going on with him so we can establish our perspectives on what we see as reality and then work on solutions. Cant do that when someone keeps saying false things.
Sorry, I am not playing this game. I already agreed in this thread with some of what you said. The box you want to put me in is one I think you only imagine, not one I actually fit in. If you wish to respond do so or don't. I have no problem dealing with what I think is your bull shit and have no problem responding, useless as it usually turns out to be. You make up your own mind as to whether you want to deal with what you see as mine.Before I talk to you Moon, are you going to actually talk, or are you going to go off into your BS. I know you can but you choose not to. So let me know.
Your thinking seems to imply there are some players out there who have an option not to be psycho and sociopaths. They all look like machines to me.
Stop making me giggle you silly boy! Moonie gonna be a mindfuck because that's all he knows... It's faith based *nudge nudge wink*. Good luck my friend-ish!Before I talk to you Moon, are you going to actually talk, or are you going to go off into your BS. I know you can but you choose not to. So let me know.
I said I have no problem talking to you. I also have no real need to make you see. In every way that I address you I do so, so far as I can see, always in a way I think is in your best interest. I have no control over how you react to what I say. What I would prefer not to do is nit pick every issue onto which you hold like it were life and death. I find so many times they are off point as to what was original intent. There is a saying that covers my reaction to you as a "person who would sever a thread with a sword".You are getting dangerously close to a conversation.
This post is rational and to the point. I stopped talking to you because you stopped trying to have a conversation. What you just did looks to be a honest summary of what you see of me and if you did that, I would have kept talking to you.
Stop making me giggle you silly boy! Moonie gonna be a mindfuck because that's all he knows... It's faith based *nudge nudge wink*. Good luck my friend-ish!
* I've never claimed I won't be petty when it suits me to be so.