Trump claims to be a target of SCO’s January 6 investigation

[Linux23]

The breakdown

It's a big fucking problem.

 

[dank69]

NEEN!

 

[NWRMidnight]

Well, you just had to know this was coming ...


The former president posted to Truth Social on Sunday that his legal team "will be immediately asking for recusal of this judge on very powerful grounds."

Donald Trump demands Judge Chutkan's recusal from case

The former president posted to Truth Social on Sunday that his legal team "will be immediately asking for recusal of this judge on very powerful grounds."

www.newsweek.com

Trump: I demand that the judge recures herself from this case, on the powerful grounds that she is mean to me, and my pussy hurts.

Judge: I will not recurse myself from this case, I am not being mean to you, I am holding you to the same expectations as every other citizen in this country. You can talk to your doctor about your pussy pain. I also suggest you talk to your doctor to find out which anal lube he recommends, because your actions have left me no choice but to place you under arrest, where you will be held without bond until this trial has concluded, where I have heard that Bubba is looking forward to your company.

Appeals Court: We uphold the Judge's ruling. If you are having problems with the legal system, how it's being applied to you equally as done to all citizens (no special treatment), your new friend Bubba, then we recommend, as it was said in the Movie Liar, Liar: "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!".

 

[akugami]

He seems even more deranged than usual. A "federal takeover", I assume that means martial law? Biden will get right on that. Unless of course Trump means his trusty "patriot" supporters amongst the armed forces (which he probably does have, and a lot.).


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Holy hell...is he asking for an insurrection, while being indicted for inciting a previous insurrection?

 

[allisolm]

Holy hell...is he asking for an insurrection, while being indicted for inciting a previous insurrection?

Yes. Unhinged. Deranged.

 

[gorobei]

the rumors are that his legal strategy ranges from "my lawyers(ghoulianni and eastman) gave me bad advice" to this is all about free speech so he can say whatever he wanted on jan6. not exactly high percentage paths.

the whole fake electors thing kind of satisfies the "act in furtherance of the crime" part of criminality elements.

the fact that it is on paper, with phone records of the call history, and a lot of angry witnesses kinda makes this a very short line to draw. some of the people/representatives who signed the false submissions were promised it would only be submitted if the court challenges to the election results were upheld and not submitted if they were denied. somebody submitted them anyways. when the court verdicts were clear they called to make sure the signatures werent submitted and were potentially lied to during phone calls with trump's staff, adding charges of fraud. some of them are going to be angry and everyone loves a hostile witness.

 

[IronWing]

He seems even more deranged than usual. A "federal takeover", I assume that means martial law? Biden will get right on that. Unless of course Trump means his trusty "patriot" supporters amongst the armed forces (which he probably does have, and a lot.).


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Only Trump could be President for four years and not notice that DC is already a federal enclave.

 

[alien42]

John Eastman Comes Clean: Hell Yes We Were Trying to Overthrow the Government

I want to return to this revelatory interview with co-conspirator John Eastman, the last portion of which was published Thursday by Tom Klingenstein, the Chairman of the Trumpite Claremont Institute…

talkingpointsmemo.com

One of the co-conspirators (suspected at least, not sure its confirmed) is basically saying, Yep we did it and we had a right to because of the Declaration of Independence. Which is not a legal document, so....

Eastman is coconspirator #2

 

[sportage]

Ok, I've had it with my wife. I want her dead.
And so... if I get together with a hitman, in his car, and make arrangements for him to kill my wife but he chickens out at the last minute, am I still guilty of murder for hire? Or... can I use that old FREE SPEECH clause in the constitution to avoid arrest, avoid court, and avoid prison?

Well, I'm just making this up to make a point. We have all seen Donald Trump's lawyer making the rounds on those Sunday morning news shows telling people that no crime was committed because Mike Pence never followed thru with pausing the election, Pence never did refuse to certify, and Pence never followed thru with Donald Trump's orders to overturn the will of the people.

Just like the disgruntled husband planning to kill his wife, going thru all the motions, hiring the hitman, Trump's lawyers feel there is no crime if the wife was never actually whacked. Trump's lawyer claims everything up to the bullet hitting the wife's head is protected free speech.

Then, I wonder, WHY would anyone even claim this nonsense? Then it hit me. What Trump and his legal team are trying to do is make the case and take the case to his base. To add to the outrage that the maga base should never tolerate a guilty verdict, and setting the stage for further division. And to give Kevin McCarthy more fuel to claim Biden weaponized the justice department and Donald Trump is the victim.

Lets face it folks... One way or another all hell will break lose if Donald Trump is #1 found guilty or #2 gets away free by either delaying the process to the point he or some other elected republican pardons Donald Trump. Either way, half of America is going to be violently pissed off with whatever outcome. Never NEVER will America rest if Donald Trump goes free using a loophole, or a self pardon, or a tainted judge and jury, but wherever it is that sets Trump free millions of Americans will not put up with this.
And the same goes should Donald Trump be convicted. Still another half of America, the maga half, will be on call for enacting violence.

We talked about this many time before, but I see a civil war coming. I really do. No way half of America is going to tolerate Donald Trump as their president and especially after he had pardoned himself. And no way will the maga half of America tolerate Donald Trump sitting in prison, AND OR.... being denied the presidency. Somethings gotta give. And it will.
If you look to the west there is a storm brewing. A huge storm with dark black clouds and winds enough to blow democracy away. One day that storm will hit and you better have a safe place to run to. It's going to be horrendous.

 

[gorobei]

they really need to teach basic principles of criminal law in high school civics. a simple understanding of what will get you arrested probably wouldnt reduce the number of arrests but it would certainly give enough people pause for thought.

fyi: under federal and state law, attempting to commit a crime carries roughly the same consequences as whatever crime you wanted to commit but otherwise quit/failed/stymied/delayed. the elements are usually 1)intent to commit, and 2)act in furtherance of the crime.

so if you go thru the steps to break into a warehouse by buying the tools to cut thru the roof, look up the plans to figure out how to cut the power to the security system, drive out with all your gear to the site but get stuck in traffic for 4 hours and end up calling it off; should the police catch on to it and arrest you they can charge you with attempted burglary even if you never went to or touched anything in the warehouse.

when you add another person to the discussion and planning of the crime it becomes conspiracy to commit. so as long as one person in the group takes action in furtherance, they are all open to charges of conspiracy.

there are time factors so a group of people talking about it and 10 years later one of them goes yolo, the others are reasonably safe. aka cooling down periods. my understanding was that attempt charges usually get pled down, local DA's really want the fish in the barrel of the suspect on scene redhanded.

 

[Amused]

 

[mikeymikec]

Holy hell...is he asking for an insurrection, while being indicted for inciting a previous insurrection?

If you're used to never being held accountable for anything, surely this would seem like the best course of action?

A more competent fascist might feign concern for consequences at this point while quietly planning their next coup. Who knows what's Trump's ultimate goal here, maybe he's doing the standard politician's strategy of "only think about how to get through the next five minutes", ie. in Trump's case, try to avoid going to prison. Trump's plan might be more than that, e.g. another coup, and it would be completely in keeping with his past behaviour to say on the record what he wants to do, even though it's not the most clever thing to do.

 

[Pens1566]

Eastman is coconspirator #2

I think they've all been confirmed except #6. And that is rumored to be Boris Epshteyn.

 

[Stokely]

Legal Eagle, as usual, has a very good explanation of the charges. He goes into detail with analogies for what conspiracy is, and isn't.

 

[nOOky]

We talked about this many time before, but I see a civil war coming. I really do. No way half of America is going to tolerate Donald Trump as their president and especially after he had pardoned himself. And no way will the maga half of America tolerate Donald Trump sitting in prison, AND OR.... being denied the presidency. Somethings gotta give. And it will.
If you look to the west there is a storm brewing. A huge storm with dark black clouds and winds enough to blow democracy away. One day that storm will hit and you better have a safe place to run to. It's going to be horrendous.

Make sure they all wear their red hats, and just aim below that. Otherwise, relax, seriously.

 

[Indus]

Ok, I've had it with my wife. I want her dead.
And so... if I get together with a hitman, in his car, and make arrangements for him to kill my wife but he chickens out at the last minute, am I still guilty of murder for hire? Or... can I use that old FREE SPEECH clause in the constitution to avoid arrest, avoid court, and avoid prison?

Well, I'm just making this up to make a point. We have all seen Donald Trump's lawyer making the rounds on those Sunday morning news shows telling people that no crime was committed because Mike Pence never followed thru with pausing the election, Pence never did refuse to certify, and Pence never followed thru with Donald Trump's orders to overturn the will of the people.

Just like the disgruntled husband planning to kill his wife, going thru all the motions, hiring the hitman, Trump's lawyers feel there is no crime if the wife was never actually whacked. Trump's lawyer claims everything up to the bullet hitting the wife's head is protected free speech.

Then, I wonder, WHY would anyone even claim this nonsense? Then it hit me. What Trump and his legal team are trying to do is make the case and take the case to his base. To add to the outrage that the maga base should never tolerate a guilty verdict, and setting the stage for further division. And to give Kevin McCarthy more fuel to claim Biden weaponized the justice department and Donald Trump is the victim.

Lets face it folks... One way or another all hell will break lose if Donald Trump is #1 found guilty or #2 gets away free by either delaying the process to the point he or some other elected republican pardons Donald Trump. Either way, half of America is going to be violently pissed off with whatever outcome. Never NEVER will America rest if Donald Trump goes free using a loophole, or a self pardon, or a tainted judge and jury, but wherever it is that sets Trump free millions of Americans will not put up with this.
And the same goes should Donald Trump be convicted. Still another half of America, the maga half, will be on call for enacting violence.

We talked about this many time before, but I see a civil war coming. I really do. No way half of America is going to tolerate Donald Trump as their president and especially after he had pardoned himself. And no way will the maga half of America tolerate Donald Trump sitting in prison, AND OR.... being denied the presidency. Somethings gotta give. And it will.
If you look to the west there is a storm brewing. A huge storm with dark black clouds and winds enough to blow democracy away. One day that storm will hit and you better have a safe place to run to. It's going to be horrendous.

Since we're on the Double Jeopardy round now..

I'll take Trump & Polonium for 2024 Alex!

 

[eelw]

The only working strategy that is working is riling up his base. While it’s mostly been crickets when he’s called for them to protest outside the courthouse during his arraignments. I don’t see them quietly sitting back when he’s found guilty and detained prior to sentencing.

 

[JEDI]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1687574090821877760

Rick Wilson is one of the founders of Lincoln Project.
oh man, his post probably got the orange monkey throwing stuff against the wall

 

[Stokely]

The only working strategy that is working is riling up his base. While it’s mostly been crickets when he’s called for them to protest outside the courthouse during his arraignments. I don’t see them quietly sitting back when he’s found guilty and detained prior to sentencing.

Not sure it's even working that well, as you say his protest calls recently have been met with angry hordes of...dozens or less? Seems that the true patriots are a bit scared for their own skins looking at the jan 6 prosecutions maybe.

What's pretty crazy to me is that we aren't a week removed from the indictment and Trump's lawyer did an interview basically admitting one of the crimes. Trump himself is ranting like a loon, calling for an insurrection and threatening when he's being charged with conspiracy related to an insurrection and been told by the judge to not threaten. It's bonkers, legally speaking.

What does this say? If they aren't completely incompetent (which is no given), to me it says that he and his lawyers know he's toast. They are going to try throwing this into the court of public opinion and basically hope for....some kind of rebellion. Trump is literally calling for Washington DC to be taken over by Federal forces, whatever the fuck that would mean. What it means to Trump is that DC has a lot of black jurors to go with the black (woman) judge, and won't his patriots come and take care of this problem? The chances of the trial moving I'd say are 0%. So when that decision comes down, he'll be even more upset. AND it's possible the GA indictments (remember that trial?) may come down this week. He's going to lose whatever shit he's got left.

I think there's a pretty good chance he's going to literally call for the heads of Jack Smith, the Georgia DA, Mike Pence and whoever else he blames for all this. He's a rage-filled cornered rat in a cage. And if he does, what happens then? Will he get a response? I have no idea. There's always lone nutters, but will there be anything organized?

Hell I could be wrong about this--I often am with Trump, thankfully my mind doesn't work like his--but again back to what I said above, it's bonkers that he and his lawyer are both saying what they are in their situation.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Anybody think he should be committed for a Psych Eval?

 

[Stokely]

Just read anything unscripted he's said in a speech for years now. It's like reading James Joyce's Ulysses as written by Rainman.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think they've all been confirmed except #6. And that is rumored to be Boris Epshteyn.

He's a lawyer. That was my first guess. #6 is supposedly not a lawyer. I wish it were Roger Stone though, but we would have definitely heard from him by now.

 

[JTsyo]

If Trump was placed in jail or house arrest until trial, do you thing his lawyers would try tomove up the date so he would still have time for campaigning?

 

[Pens1566]

He's a lawyer. That was my first guess. #6 is supposedly not a lawyer. I wish it were Roger Stone though, but we would have definitely heard from him by now.

I don't think the indictment identifies conspirator 6 as "not a lawyer". And other tidbits in the list of actions do point to him. He's been listed as the likely culprit by many a news organization.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's pretty obvious why Trump’s lawyers are still blathering on about “free speech this, first amendment that…” It was made crystal clear in the indictment that Trump was free to say whatever bullshit lies he wanted about the election… The case is not about that, it’s about the ACTIONS he took to get false electors in place to circumvent the election results. Results that court after court after court had said were correct.

And these lawyers bullshit about how preventing Trump from revealing evidence (lying about it more likely) and threatening witnesses is somehow against his first amendment rights? The fucker thinks he has the right to intimidate witnesses against you when you’re on trial. And he seems to be getting away with it so far.

The reasons....

1. They want to try this in the court of public opinion. This is a great way to continue the big grift and get rubes to send donations to Trump’s legal cause.

2. They’re hoping to mess with any potential juror and plant the idea that this is a free speech issue and hope for a not guilty verdict. (This is really a hail Mary, but you never know)

3. They’re in over their heads. They do not have a combination of ability or experience to try a case with such a demanding nutjob client under this kind of media scrutiny.

4. They’re just not very good lawyers.

Plus, they have nothing else to argue. There is no obvious and legitimate defense to these charges. So, they talk complete nonsense instead. They want to undermine any confidence the people have in our justice system as a whole. Their case is a paper bag full of broken glass and dogshit that's on fire. There is no good argument. So, let's say whatever.

Any word on where this all CAPS complete pile of horseshit is going?

“WE WILL BE IMMEDIATELY ASKING FOR RECUSAL OF THIS JUDGE ON VERY POWERFUL GROUNDS,” AND LIKEWISE FOR VENUE CHANGE”

My guess is … nowhere. Because there are no “powerful grounds” other than Trump does not like her skin color.