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Saylick

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eelw

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What happens to a defendant if he fires his legal team during a trial? Like I bet he’d use this delay tactic.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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What happens to a defendant if he fires his legal team during a trial? Like I bet he’d use this delay tactic.
Probably defaults to defending himself. I'm not sure you can request to delay the trial to get a new lawyer outside extenuating circumstances (dead lawyer, overtly incompetent to the point the judge boots him).
 

eelw

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Probably defaults to defending himself. I'm not sure you can request to delay the trial to get a new lawyer outside extenuating circumstances (dead lawyer, overtly incompetent to the point the judge boots him).
Lol don’t give him ideas. But Chutkan definitely wouldn’t give any leeway to getting new counsel. Cannon on the other hand.
 

Stokely

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Any trial with Cannon as judge I've already thrown in the "lost cause" bin. At least until/if she gets recused.

Trump bleating like a baby about not getting a fair judge in one trial when he has a pet judge who shouldn't even be in this position is a hoot.
 
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Zorba

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Can you explain what would need to change from the last election to the next that would allow trump to win?

Do you think there is now a fake electors scheme in place that can’t be thwarted? For that matter, how does trump get Kamala to certify the election with there be electors?

What demographic do you see that voted against trump, now voting for trump?

What demographic(s) do you see coming out to vote for trump that didn’t vote in the last election?

What reason do you see that would cause less than the 81 million people who voted not to vote this time?

I share your pessimism about the American electorate but unless you can explain away why the next election would give us different results than the last election, saying you aren’t hopeful isn’t logical.
My biggest concern is Biden not getting the turn out he did last time. All it takes is a few thousand people in the proper states.
 

akugami

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Youth votes was massive for Biden in 2020. For Biden to win, he will absolutely need younger voters to come out again in droves.
 
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Stokely

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Youth votes was massive for Biden in 2020. For Biden to win, he will absolutely need younger voters to come out again in droves.

At least one GOP candidate has said he'd up the voting age to 25, and this is the reason. Excepting military personnel of course, because they tend to be righties. Now that dude is very unlikely to get the nomination, but I'd think if anything would get younger voters out, that might.

Gotta pull for the women to rescue us, again. College educated women hopefully more than offset the uneducated white male vote....

Abortion may well lose this election for the GOP.
 
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Pens1566

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At least one GOP candidate has said he'd up the voting age to 25, and this is the reason. Excepting military personnel of course, because they tend to be righties. Now that dude is very unlikely to get the nomination, but I'd think if anything would get younger voters out, that might.

Gotta pull for the women to rescue us, again. College educated women hopefully more than offset the uneducated white male vote....

Abortion may well lose this election for the GOP.

He's the one that rapped "Lose Yourself" by Eminem at one of his rallies.

Seems serious ...
 
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zinfamous

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also from the hearing

Trump lawyer Lauro: "We can't ignore the fact that there is a campaign"
Judge Chutkan: "The existence of a political campaign is not going to have any bearing on my decision...I intend to keep politics out of this".

He has mentioned the campaign several times. Judge not amused.

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Felonious shitbird lawyer: We are being unfairly prosecuted during a sacred political campaign!
very same Felonius shitbird lawyer: This shouldn't be about politics! This is all being exploited for politics!
again, this piece of shit: My normal person totally not a politician client shouldn't be treated as a politician! Oh wait, he should! Nevermind.
 
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kage69

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Tbh this may be their ultimate back pocket defense. Essentially he's not fit to stand trial and cannot be held accountable for what he says. No reason he can't still be elected naturally.

The 14th Amendment sounds like a good reason. Trump was already unfit for office, his mountain of crimes from 2020 now make him ineligible. I can think of about 7 million other reasons he won't be elected too. Almost an entire generation sees repugs as an existential threat to their rights and their physical bodies. The GQP didn't just shoot themselves in the foot over Roe v Wade, they shot themselves repeatedly in the thigh and that femoral ain't happy. Every single abortion rights effort nation wide since then has succeeded in spades.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

What should be a clear cut case against a criminal probably won't be though, on account of magat traitors in Congress who despise democracy, the rule of law, and their oaths of office.
 
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kage69

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Any trial with Cannon as judge I've already thrown in the "lost cause" bin. At least until/if she gets recused.

Trump bleating like a baby about not getting a fair judge in one trial when he has a pet judge who shouldn't even be in this position is a hoot.

Recusal? I'm hearing she will probably be removed from the case thanks to both not knowing how to do her job, also that very un-judge like bias in a defendant's favor.
 
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eelw

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Recusal? I'm hearing she will probably be removed from the case thanks to both not knowing how to do her job, also that very un-judge like bias in a defendant's favor.
Let's pretend DOJ let's her remain for the trial. Wonder if they'll give her the courtesy of asking to approach the bench or just flat out call her out in front of the entire court when she screws up?
 

Stokely

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That's what I meant, "recusal" is probably the wrong word. Who if anyone has the power to actually remove her? I assume the DOJ, like the defendant, can only ask.

She's more than qualified to do what she was appointed for, which is to run interference for Republicans. It's what the Federalist society is about. If you mean, qualified to be a judge at that level, well let's not worry about that....
 

Pens1566

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That's what I meant, "recusal" is probably the wrong word. Who if anyone has the power to actually remove her? I assume the DOJ, like the defendant, can only ask.

She's more than qualified to do what she was appointed for, which is to run interference for Republicans. It's what the Federalist society is about. If you mean, qualified to be a judge at that level, well let's not worry about that....

I believe the federal circuit can remove her if the prosecution requests and they agree.
 

kage69

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Can you explain what would need to change from the last election to the next that would allow trump to win?

Do you think there is now a fake electors scheme in place that can’t be thwarted? For that matter, how does trump get Kamala to certify the election with there be electors?

What demographic do you see that voted against trump, now voting for trump?

What demographic(s) do you see coming out to vote for trump that didn’t vote in the last election?

What reason do you see that would cause less than the 81 million people who voted not to vote this time?

I share your pessimism about the American electorate but unless you can explain away why the next election would give us different results than the last election, saying you aren’t hopeful isn’t logical.


An appeal to facts, numbers, critical thinking? Good luck, but I think if he was open to that kind of thing he wouldn't be here embarrassing himself.

Gotta admire the self confidence though, in all fairness. When most people are shown to be so clueless with politics and current events they usually clam up. Maybe take some time to get up to speed. Not eeyore. Someone's got to preach the downfall of the dems no matter what, and he's not going to let a little unprecedented corruption and treason stop him. Reminds me of a certain shit eating grasshopper actually...
 
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