Trump doesnt have a plan to fight the virus on purpose. He puts the onus onto the state governors to figure out how to move ahead to deflect blame

[yllus]

I thought Matt Yglesias had a terrific take on the utter dereliction of duty and responsibility of the Trump-led federal government:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1249036688690688002

 

[ch33zw1z]

I thought Matt Yglesias had a terrific take on the utter dereliction of duty and responsibility of the Trump-led federal government:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1249036688690688002

It's Trump's war, he said it himself. He runs the government just like one of his businesses, into the ground, then files bankruptcy....with the federal govern....oh wait

Haha, gg conservatives

 

[K1052]

It's Trump's war, he said it himself. He runs the government just like one of his businesses, into the ground, then files bankruptcy....with the federal govern....oh wait

Haha, gg conservatives

Trump meant that he has the power of a wartime president, not the the strategy or responsibility of one.

It of course doesn't work like that. He imagines himself a Washington, Lincoln, or FDR when he's actually Buchanan and Hoover.

 

[kage69]

I'd be freaked out if I lived in your world.

Your established issues with facts and objective analysis here all make me believe this admission. Get well soon.

 

[kage69]

It's Trump's war, he said it himself. He runs the government just like one of his businesses, into the ground, then files bankruptcy....with the federal govern....oh wait

Haha, gg conservatives

Yep, it's a war. And he's commited to avoiding it like he did Vietnam. You guys have fun with it though!

 

[VRAMdemon]

The "Master" showman has nothing to offer America except more of the same that we get night after night - Self serving bluster, blame deflection, dangerous medical drug hucksterism and more yelling at journalists.

Remember Trump has the bigliest, hugest, most perfect decision ever to make, by anyone.

"I have a hunch ....."

"I am not responsible".

 

[hal2kilo]

WaPo: A Plan To Defeat Coronavirus, But Not From The White House - News & Guts Media

There is no federal plan. Despite the task forces and daily White House briefings that go long into the night, Donald Trump & co. don’t really have a plan to fight the coronavirus or reopen the country. And as difficult as it may be to believe, it’s a a calculated political move. In one of […]

www.newsandguts.com

Now it’s easy to see why Trump points the finger at governors and mayors...


Not coming up with a plan is a calculated political move on his part.
blaming others for his (many) failures has been working for him so far for the past 3 years.

It's been obvious from the start.
Edit: Hell, less than a week into it, he said he was not responsiple.

 

[Paratus]

That does seem to be the new excuse, that nothing could be done anyway therefore the massive federal failure here doesn’t matter.

Well that make sense. For those who desire a certain political party to remain in power that they deep down know is awful there has to be certain justifications. The most powerful one is “both sides are the same” (TM).

If they see both sides are the same then they can view themself as impartial, as an independent. It also means they can pick their preferred party because hey both are the same.

Now the problem with this is both parties are objectively not the same. So that leads to the case where they must excuse the incompetence of their preferred party while simultaneously talking down the competence of the other party.

To any objective observer this is horribly biased but when you are proceeding from the false assumption that seeing both parties as equal makes you unbiased it’s no wonder they get mad when that’s pointed out.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That does seem to be the new excuse, that nothing could be done anyway therefore the massive federal failure here doesn’t matter.

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

 

[fskimospy]

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

I’m not aware of a single credible medical expert who thinks that nothing could be done to improve our country’s response. It doesn’t matter how many times you try to push this same nonsense, the fact is that Trump royally fucked this up and it’s cost our country enormously.

 

[brycejones]

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

21648 Americans to date say bull shit.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The people who do not see this as a failure of leadership seem to have a few rationales...

1. this is being over hyped to hurt Trump. Throw the rest of the conspiracy theorists, incuding the ones that think this is a man-made virus into this category.

2. All the criticism is Monday morning quarterbacking and 20/20 hindsight. There is no way anyone could have known or done better. Throw in the folks who somehow think that China lying to us somehow excuses our negligence.

3. Trump is actually doing a fine job. After all he restricted travel with China back in January and that's all you need to know, and the death toll is only going to be like 100K.

4. This is actually Obama's fault for some reason. And besides... people died during the swine flue pandemic of 2009 under Obama.

5. The response was a delicate balance between lives and the economy, the cure would have been worse than the disease if he acted more proactively.

6. Rationales that otherwise display a significant lack of understanding of the facts, math, science or both.

Trump's inability to react during a crisis have cost us lives and treasure.

This was his 3 am call and he hit the snooze button for close to 2 months.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I’m not aware of a single credible medical expert who thinks that nothing could be done to improve our country’s response. It doesn’t matter how many times you try to push this same nonsense, the fact is that Trump royally fucked this up and it’s cost our country enormously.

He's working on a both sides response with a blame the democrats follow up.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

Hardly. Having a ramped up care system isn't back to square 1 at all. It will save lives. Flattening the curve is necessary to achieving that. If not, we'll be pretty much like Ecuador.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Since the only viable plan seems to be "stay home", does it really matter? I guess we could add "buy toilet paper" to the instructions, but quite honestly, I'm not convinced that's a viable treatment.

A viable plan would be stay at home followed by widespread testing and contact tracing, which is how South Korea has kept their death toll to 214 despite being a nation of 50 million who had their first confirmed case only one day us after and hasn't had to lock down. But the conservative plan is just to let people die, fuck em, only capital matters.

 

[Greenman]

A viable plan would be stay at home followed by widespread testing and contact tracing, which is how South Korea has kept their death toll to 214 despite being a nation of 50 million who had their first confirmed case only one day us after and hasn't had to lock down. But the conservative plan is just to let people die, fuck em, only capital matters.

Makes you wonder why the blue states didn't do that.
Here in CA everyone seems to be hitting up costco and the home depot, maybe they didn't get the memo?

 

[cytg111]

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

Going to have to ask, is greenman an alt account of yours? You seem consistently 5 degrees apart in ideology, like clockwork.
Anyway. False. What the rest of the world will be doing is opening up the economy while staying below the line, with a flattened curve. Rest of the world is also going to continue to isolate the elder population until a vaccine is found.
This is easily inferred by using personal brain power for 2-3 seconds, also by you. So why why why why why why WHY continue spouting this bullshit? Its .... tiresome.

 

[cytg111]

Makes you wonder why the blue states didn't do that.
Here in CA everyone seems to be hitting up costco and the home depot, maybe they didn't get the memo?

For the love of god, dont wonder too hard.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Makes you wonder why the blue states didn't do that.
Here in CA everyone seems to be hitting up costco and the home depot, maybe they didn't get the memo?

The states are in charge of the CDC? Your boy fucked up, he's got the blood of 20,000 on his hands with many more to come and his plan is just let people die. Fuck them. But toilet paper runs are what's important here.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

There is some truth to it. This is a global pandemic. Even the few countries that successfully locked down will inevitably have to open their economies, and they’re right back to square one. I find Sweden’s response surprising and it will be an interesting contrast.

South Korea is open. Instead of spending months calling it a Democratic hoax and filling its citizens heads full of disinformation about how there's only 15 cases soon to go to zero they aggressively tested and contact traced the cases they have had. They're open despite having some of the earliest confirmed cases outside China because they have adults running their nation who recognize and care about the value of human life. Their worst day they had nine deaths. Who knows what our worst day will be, especially when Dotard opens the country back up without any mitigation strategy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Makes you wonder why the blue states didn't do that.
Here in CA everyone seems to be hitting up costco and the home depot, maybe they didn't get the memo?

Nice gross generalization. Lol, what a rube

 

[HurleyBird]

My first thought here is that this most likely is a situation that warrants a top down approach. The only scenario where it might make sense to keep things to the state level is if you want to run a big experiment to see which states' approach yields the best results, so that the same strategy can be applied across the union in the future. But this would require fairly strict encapsulation between states, so that the states that screw up their approach don't bring everyone else down with them. I'm not sure if that's currently the case or not. Probably not.

My second thought is that for everyone who has ever called Trump an authoritarian, this is the biggest contraindication of that yet. He's certainly said some things authoritarian sounding things in the past, but a truly authoritarian leader wouldn't let such a good tragedy go to waste, and certainly wouldn't leave these things up to the states.

 

[sportage]

Trumpies AND MOST all republicans simply DISTASTE the federal government.
They do not IN ANY WAY want to give the federal government any credit for solving any problem or for solving any issue.
And thus..... Donald Trump is in full compliance with republican ideology by turning everything over to the states.
AND, HERE's THE REAL PISSER.
If and when this is all over, the pandemic, all of the deaths... ALL OF THE DEATHS AND FAILURES they can then blame solely ONTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
""The federal government failed us, the individual states saved us"", they will all say.
So just be prepared for that incredible two faced LIE.

They will all repeat that lie.
Trump will start the lie, every republican in congress will repeat the lie, Fox News will dedicate entire nightly shows just to promote that lie, and knowing the stupidity of the American people the people will believe that lie. A majority of America will continue to believe that government is worthless and the state is everything.

Republicans also wanted to believe that over marriage equality, that marriage equality was up to the states and only the states to decide. If republican ideology had their way, that would still be the law of the land today. Marriage equality to be decided only by the state. And Trump's US Supreme Court would have never challenged that incredibly flawed ideology.
NEVER NEVER NEVER....

The truly sad thing here is, that after this pandemic is all over the republicans lead by Donald Trump will also rewrite history by giving Donald Trump and the states full credit then placing the failures onto the federal government.
So.... don't be surprised.

Republicans HATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
When they are in control, they only wish to pervert and rape that federal government so then they can say SEE, SEE HOW WORTHLESS IT IS.

 

[kage69]

My first thought here is that this most likely is a situation that warrants a top down approach. The only scenario where it might make sense to keep things to the state level is if you want to run a big experiment to see which states' approach yields the best results, so that the same strategy can be applied across the union in the future. But this would require fairly strict encapsulation between states, so that the states that screw up their approach don't bring everyone else down with them. I'm not sure if that's currently the case or not. Probably not.

My second thought is that for everyone who has ever called Trump an authoritarian, this is the biggest contraindication of that yet. He's certainly said some things authoritarian sounding things in the past, but a truly authoritarian leader wouldn't let such a good tragedy go to waste, and certainly wouldn't leave these things up to the states.

The GOP isn't.

 

[HomerJS]

Since the only viable plan seems to be "stay home", does it really matter? I guess we could add "buy toilet paper" to the instructions, but quite honestly, I'm not convinced that's a viable treatment.

As posted by @esquared
quote]
"“Why don’t we let this wash over the country?” Trump asked, according to two people familiar with his comments, a question other administration officials say he has raised repeatedly in the Oval Office.

Fauci initially seemed confused by the term “wash over” but became alarmed once he understood what Trump was asking.

“Mr. President, many people would die,” Fauci said.[/quote]

Still sticking by that? Oh here's an thought, how about for one, ramp up testing to the per capita rate of South Korea? Reopening is going to require mass amounts of testing.